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Wrestling LIVE THREAD: Penn State vs. Michigan 1/19

don't you have to get to a "defensible" position first? you see that situation when guys try to cut guys and they won't get up too.
If that's the case, then why do they reward an escape point then get cradled immediately? It was a bullsh&t call.
 
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Myles Amine vs. Aaron Brooks -184
1st Period - Both battling tough. Brooks is the aggressor, but good wrestling by both. AB tries an ankle pick and Amine is able to grab an ankle and get the stalemate. Solid 1st period despite no score.
2nd Period - AB starts on top. Brooks riding tough but Amine escapes at :51. Amine 1-0. Lots of collar ties, Brooks pushing the pace, but no score. Still 1-0.
3rd Period - Amine on top. Caution Amine. Aaron gets the escape. Has :26 riding time. Not a factor. Lots of action, both battling. Amine has a single leg but Brooks hips kept him at bay. AB breaks the grip and gets behind for a takedown with about :20 left. Brooks finishes him off and wins 3-1!
Final - Aaron Brooks 3 Myles Amine 1
Penn St 23
Michigan 6
 
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Another situation where they incorrectly reference "reaction time". Don't believe it applies in this non TD situation.... Wrestler's were face-to-face and there was clear separation - an escape point was even called by Official. As a Ref, you can't call the escape there (with both conditions met - face-to-face and clear separation) and then reverse your call, that's utter bullshit as the escape call is what signals the former top wrestler that he's good to go for the TD as as an escape point has been awarded. Utter bullshit call there.

Dude, you want to argue details in the rules, yet you don't even know when riding time is awarded? Relax and enjoy this.
 
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Another situation where they incorrectly reference "reaction time". Don't believe it applies in this non TD situation.... Wrestler's were face-to-face and there was clear separation - an escape point was even called by Official. As a Ref, you can't call the escape there (with both conditions met - face-to-face and clear separation) and then reverse your call, that's utter bullshit as the escape call is what signals the former top wrestler that he's good to go for the TD as as an escape point has been awarded. Utter bullshit call there.
Until you provide a link to NCAA rules regarding "deep whizzers," you can stop talking about anything rules related.
 
See that all the time. Once they break, ref waits until they turn around or get a step or two away before awarding the point. He awarded the point early, IMO. No issue with the reversal of the call at all.

See that all the time. Once they break, ref waits until they turn around or get a step or two away before awarding the point. He awarded the point early, IMO. No issue with the reversal of the call at all.

Wrong. No requirement for 2 steps of separation - that's nonsense. The only requirements are that wrestlers be opposed to one another and that there be clear separation - both of which were met. Furthermore, the Ref called the ESC after seeing the clear separation - this is what signals that the former top-wrestler he can attack for TD. Just complete BS that the Ref makes this call then absurdly reverses it when both conditions for his call were clearly met simply because Michigan asks for it. Bullshit reversal.
 
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There's no delay needed. Bo did this all the time for cradles. He released and immediately went in for a cradle.
and they awarded an escape every time? i've seen it called very inconsistently. for example, in the gilman-lizak match, they didn't count one of gilman's singles because of this. i've linked it here. you can hear the official say "he's gotta be able to defend himself."

 
don't you have to get to a "defensible" position first? you see that situation when guys try to cut guys and they won't get up too.

"Defensible" is defined as clear separation and wrestlers facing each other (doesn't matter if one wrestler is wrestling from a knee as long as he is opposed to opponent and there is separation - both of which conditions were met and the Ref clearly signalled this by awarding an escape point).
 
"Defensible" is defined as clear separation and wrestlers facing each other (doesn't matter if one wrestler is wrestling from a knee as long as he is opposed to opponent and there is separation - both of which conditions were met and the Ref clearly signalled this by awarding an escape point).
is that your definition of defensible or the one they actually use?
 
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Patrick Brucki vs. Max Dean - 197
1st Period - Brucki gets in on a single leg and almost finishes. Dean held him off then rolled through to grab Brucki's ankle. Stalemate after a good scramble. Brucki gets thru with a low shot to the far ankle. 2-0 Brucki. Dean gets the escape, 2-1 Brucki. Period ends with them on their feet.
2nd Period - Dean starts on bottom and escapes. Brucki hooks up a far side cradle and gets the takedown, but can't turn him. Max escapes. 4-3 Brucki end 2nd.
3rd Period - Dean rides tough with 2 mat returns. Tried to hook the bow and arrow up but couldn't get him turned. Dean hold position and finishes the 3rd getting a riding time point to tie it at 4. We go to SV!
Sudden Victory - Lots of action. Dean with the shot, but Brucki fights it off. Dean the aggressor. Brucki goes for the ankle pick and Dean slides by to get the takedown!!!
Final - Max Dean 6 Patrick Brucki 4
Penn St 26
Michigan 6
 
Wrong. No requirement for 2 steps of separation - that's nonsense. The only requirements are that wrestlers be opposed to one another and that there be clear separation - both of which were met. Furthermore, the Ref called the ESC after seeing the clear separation - this is what signals that the former top-wrestler he can attack for TD. Just complete BS that the Ref makes this call then absurdly reverses it when both conditions for his call were clearly met simply because Michigan asks for it. Bullshit reversal.

I think there was a riding time point missed in the middle there too
 
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