You must understand.....he's a bit slow.....reading comprehension is a challenge for him.
What win loss record defines a successful season for Franklin this year?
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You literally have like 2 people on this board who agree with u on anything...the rest of this board recognizes you as a 72 year old petulant child with deep psychological issues on authority. Lol.
Since Penn State doesn’t yet have the depth of the Alabama’s or Ohio State’s of the world ( but they’re getting closer), their W-L record will be a “sliding scale”. — If the team makes it through the season with no major injuries at critical positions, then 10+ wins are reasonable….and anything less is largely on the coaches. If there are 3-4 major injuries at critical positions, that number could reasonably fall quickly to 7-8 Wins….depending on position and depth
Do you frequent here to win friends? If you wish to explore "psychological issues"....I suggest you consult a certified professional.....or are you a certified coach AND "psychologicalist."
Personally, I believe you need a proctologist.
So if they win 8 games and two of their losses are due to multiple turnovers, dropped passes, missed blocks, missed tackles, missed field goals or extra points, those losses are largely on the coaches? The players do have something to do with wins and losses, this isn’t PlayStation.
We don't have to agree on anything for you to answer that simple question.
I didn't ask specifics about what constitutes a "bad" season. I asked at what point do you consider a coach to be unsuccessful for the program? How bad do things have to get before you would admit he is not suitable?
My expectations for Franklin are to be in the mix every year. So come out strong and have something on the line when we play Ohio St Oct 29th. So get to 6-1 or 7-0 at that point with everything on the line. 2017, 18 and 19 we got to that Ohio State game and it determined our season. Throw out 2020. 2021 was a very tough schedule combined with injuries and a bad run game. Franklin probably deserves credit for keeping us in every game with that bad a run game. He has to get the run game fixed. That’s my expectation for him this year and if we can run it better, we’ll win at least 10 and be in another New Year’s Six game with a chance to win the conference and make the playoff
Yes. If there are no major injuries, they have enough high end talent to play at an extremely high level. If they “ miss blocks, tackles, field goals” etc , this should/would have been identified in practice and previous games. It is on the coaches predominantly to have prepared the team for their competition. It will help the offense a great deal this year (IMO) to have the same offensive coordinator present for 2 years in a row.—-Weather, and a few other rare extenuating circumstances can certainly mitigate the coaches responsibility, but by and large, it would be on them……and if they’re worth their salt ( and I know Franklin is), they would see it that way as well. ***The only other real caveat would be if the “high end talent”, ends up being a bust……but I’ve seen Franklin recruit and identify talent, and he is as good as anyone at this. I don’t anticipate many “busts”
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Don't forget the number of square pegs in round holes that grow every year under Franklin. The offensive line took a second step back in two years under MY because he uses a blocking scheme that the two deep weren't equipped to execute both in terms of skillset and development. That is 100% on coaching, not players.
Most of our missed tackles came from undisciplined linebacker play which is a hallmark of the Pry era where he was both DC and position coach. It is really hard to do both. Lack of player development has historically plagued Franklin's teams due to his preference for recruiters, not coaches. That is 100% on coaching, not players.
Except for Franklin demonstrated history. He whines, he makes excuses, he throws players, administrators etc under the bus to redirect instead of taking accountability. The man is a crybaby. Plain and simple. There is always some reason he can't achieve a basic level of results and he brought most of them on himself.
I should have clarified more. We went from JoeMo's MAP blocking scheme (hybrid that is mostly man) from 2016 to 2019. Ricky Rahne maintained the offense as is after Mo left. When Rahne left, KC installed a pure zone blocking scheme to go with his west coast passing game. Out goes KC, incomes MY with his spread gap blocking scheme. They took a step back in 2020 with the introduction of a pure zone scheme and took a bigger step back in 2021 with the introduction of a spread gap scheme. Almost every player on the two deep was recruited and developed the run a mostly man blocking scheme which was the biggest failure point the last two seasons. Five square pegs in five round holes. It will be a little better this year but I wouldn't expect much. 2024 is the target year barring a major infusion of talent via the portal in 2023.
I don’t have a specific record or number of years with a specific record. I look at season by season, what happened, and what caused it. Not all 7-5 seasons are created equal. Also, how many games where we lost were we in a position to win and players didn’t make plays?
Players can do everything right in practice and have a bad game that leads to making mistakes. Coaches can’t fix everything in practice.
So you are unable to identify a level of performance from a head coach that you would consider grounds for dismissal?
Good news, I don’t have to make that decision and my opinion on that doesn’t matter at all (neither does yours). I will support the team and the coach and hope we do well. If I get to the point of dissatisfaction that many of you are at, I will stop watching. Until that point, unlike many of you, I hope we win and I hope Franklin kicks ass….many of you don’t want that because that would prove you wrong and wouldn’t allow you to come on this board and flaunt your coaching brilliance.
I am in awe of our resident couch coach. There are only about 70 D1 P5 HFBC positions. Yet right here we get schooled by the only omniscient and omnipotent football savant versed in offensive and defensive strategy. The brilliance of a plumber, performing septal myectomy. guided only by voices in his head.
I wonder if....and if not why he doesn't have one of those jobs?
A ton of schools are missing out on the opportunity to raise their program to Bama level…..in fact, leave Bama in the dust because coaching is easy don’t you know?
They won't answer and it's pure, delicious, sweet goodness lol.
Of course they won't answer because they cannot. They are as predictable as the motion of the universe. Say anything that isn't slobbering over Franklin and there they are.
Interesting how they are incapable of intelligent dialog. Can't seem to handle people that disagree regardless of how polite and reasonable the opposing view. Their response in the majority of cases is to insult and ridicule.
Like shooting fish in a barrel. They never disappoint. LOL.
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You are incapable of answering the question. Just because you provided a response does not mean you answered the question.
If you’re talking about the first question you asked to start this thread, then I will say I would consider 8-4 a successful season. If it’s worse than that, I would have to see what caused it to accurately judge it.
It will be another 7 win season and all coaches ass kissers will be out and say well Franklin didn’t have this and didn’t have that. Well the bot will find a way to let football slip as they did basketball for 30 years just watch and see
Franklin is a crybaby. Nothing is ever his fault even though his decisions have been and continue to be the problem. He already was whining to ESPN throwing Barron under the bus for his failures. If they give him the facilities he wants and fails, he will blame something else.
It was interesting that an outgoing president and AD locked Franklin into a 10 year contract, especially after recent poor seasons. Usually those decisions are deferred to any new incoming AD to put their mark on the department.
Even more remarkable was, despite that gift, Franklin then threw them both under the bus shortly after they left.
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I don't expect much from this year. Besides Mustipher what do they have at DT? The defensive tackle position always seems to be the weakest link, or most vulnerable if there are injuries. Looking back over 10 years of recruiting we just can't consistently get highly ranked defensive tackles in here. And where are the diamonds in the ruff like a Parker Cothren, or Austin Johnson, Jorden Hill etc ? I really think Franklin is not a good judge of talent when it comes to the big guys, and he can't lure in highly ranked players for whatever reason.
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I guess the only way to be a true fan is to trash the coach….got it.
"As for success, in year 8, Franklin should be a threat to win 10 regular season games every years while regularly competing for the Big Ten."
This^^^, anything less is a failure IMO. A couple key injuries and lack of depth at important positions however, will most likely mean 8-4, 7-6 once again.
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