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I'm not voting for him necessarily, but any short list of greatest PA high school career should include the late Ty Moore.Are we witnessing the best ever in Spencer Lee?
or has there been someone else better?
In the 3 state tournaments that Spencer has wrestled in, has he had any regular decisions? I believe he pinned or teched his way through the last 2, but wasn't sure about his freshman year.
Just answered my own question. The closest match for Spencer in the past 3 state tournaments was a 15-5 major in the finals his freshman year. Every other match has been a fall or tech fall.
He'd have to be real careful with the FS moves were he exposes his back. A top end kid like Tomasello, Nico. just might be able to stick him.Do you all think Spencer would finish on the podium at nationals? Also, I'd put him right up with there with anyone in terms of being punishing pound for pound. He is both slick and a hammer. He annihilates kids from the top position and is brutal with his bar and half series.
Darian Cruz was an All-American as a true freshman. Lee is far ahead of where Cruz was when Cruz was a HS SR.No question, he couldn't horse those guys around. But, do you think he would be one of the top 8 125 pounders? Is he that talented as a high school junior to be able to crack All-American status at the collegiate level?
Darian Cruz was an All-American as a true freshman. Lee is far ahead of where Cruz was when Cruz was a HS SR.
It depends on what you mean by dominant. If you are talking strictly HS matches, I would say it was Cary Kolat. However if you're talking about dominant in terms of the ability to compete at any level, I don't know of any other PA HS wrestler who has matched Jimmy Carr. He entered the Midlands tournament as a senior in HS and beat the defending D1 NCAA champion in the finals! Even Kolat didn't do that.
Nico was 3rd as trFR, right? And Lee is ahead of where Nico was, though he has to put some good weight on.
Finalist.
From where I am sitting, what Spencer has been able to do at this point in his career is more dominant than any of the aforementioned wrestlers. Cary Kolat would be a close second with only 2 regular decisions in 4 years.
Nico finished 3rd at states as a freshman. He finished 2nd at NCAAs as a true freshman.CSauertiegPSU had it right.
As a freshman in HS, Nico lost in the Championship bracket semis to Mark Rappo (Council Rock South), 1-0. That dropped him in to the Consolation Semis, where he defeated Clayton Youtz (Central Dauphin) by the score of 6-2. Nico then wrestled in the Consolation Finals for 3rd/4th, where he defeated Cameron Throckmorton (South Western) in overtime, 3-2 TB.
Nico finished 3rd at states as a freshman. He finished 2nd at NCAAs as a true freshman.
The term "trFR" makes most people think of Nico's college career.
I have to go Kolat...personally wrestled in WPIAL during that time and he and Ty Moore where the Alpha Males...Ty ducked Kolat, agree or not he did. None the less Ty losing to Stepanic (who went on to wrestle at Navy) in the WPIAL finals was a shock. Kolat deystroyed everyone including our coaches son (Matt Turskey, Coach Turskey was my coach and coached McCutcheon). Hands down, Kolat...he translated to the NCAA level with ease making the finals as a true freshman.
In THIS INTERMAT INTERVIEW ARTICLE Cary Kolat himself basically answers the question twice and says the answer is Jimmy Carr. Jimmy Carr made the US Olympic Team as a 16 year old high schooler, won Midlands as a high schooler, wrestled in his first Midlands in 8th grade, etc...
We can't fault Lee for no making an Olympic Team yet when he hasn't had that chance.We can't fault Lee for no making an Olympic Team yet when he hasn't had that chance. Also remember, he didn't just tech and pin his way through PA States... He also did it through Junior Worlds. Did Cadet/Jr worlds exsist back in the day? I assume if it did those other guys would have pounded the field as well or we would be talking about it.
Kolat kicking out of that single leg at states will forever be eched in my mind and because I had ability but couldn't perfect that move and he did it at states no less just skews my thoughts too much. That move happens now and people just roll with it.
It depends on what you mean by dominant. If you are talking strictly HS matches, I would say it was Cary Kolat. However if you're talking about dominant in terms of the ability to compete at any level, I don't know of any other PA HS wrestler who has matched Jimmy Carr. He entered the Midlands tournament as a senior in HS and beat the defending D1 NCAA champion in the finals! Even Kolat didn't do that.
I think what has happened since HS has changed a lot of opinions on him for the worse
I am not aware of any of Lee's matches that have not been a fall or technical fall (outside of Suriano or other matches at Super 32, or his one major decision at states his freshman year in the finals).
Also beat Zack Zavatsky via tech fall in 2013; Zavatsky was an undefeated state champ the following year.I agree. How many former state champs did he beat in route to 4 undefeated years. I can think of 3 off the top of my head. Brill, Peppleman and Weircioch.
In the 3 state tournaments that Spencer has wrestled in, has he had any regular decisions? I believe he pinned or teched his way through the last 2, but wasn't sure about his freshman year.
Zavatsky is also the #5 seed at 184 as a RSFr for Virginia TechAlso beat Zack Zavatsky via tech fall in 2013; Zavatsky was an undefeated state champ the following year.
In 2015, Suriano beat Agaisse 5-2 in the NJ 120-lb State Finals, and this year Suriano beat him 9-2 in the 126-lb State Finals.As a frosh, Lee beat Hayden Lee (Marysville, OH) 12-2 in Ironman QFs; beat McCoy (Latrobe) 14-4 in PowerAde finals; beat McCoy 9-5 in WCCA finals
As a soph, Lee beat Newhouse (Mass. Perry, OH) 13-3 in Ironman QFs; beat Stickley (Graham, OH) 13-2 in Ironman finals; beat Agaisse (Delbarton, NJ) 15-4 in PowerAde finals.