Some recruiting perspective vs OSU

[PineIslandLion]

What do all these guys have in common?...Olu Fashanu, Cole Brevard, Derek Wingo, D’Von Ellies, Noah Cain, Brenton Strange, Michael Johnson Jr., John Dunmore, Lance Dixon, Hakeem Beamon, Brandon Smith, Tyler Rudolph, Marquis Wilson, Devyn Ford, Rasheed Walker, Jayson Oweh, Jahon Dotson, Micah Parsons, Aneas Hawkins, PJ Mustipher, Juice Scruggs, Jesse Luketa, Ricky Slade & Zack Kuntz.

The answer is that, aside from all of them being current or committed PSU football players, they all had offers to OSU. While one could argue that perhaps, not all of their OSU offers were “commitable”, that would definitely be more the exception than the rule. For all of you PSU Debbie Downers out there, I hope this list will provide you with some perspective that in fact, OSU loses plenty of recruiting battles vs PSU. There is some serious talent on this list, with several Rivals 100 guys represented.

The sky is not falling. JF is continuing to close the talent gap, and in a big way, vs OSU. And while the typical Buckeye fan is way too arrogant or biased to acknowledge it, they should realize just how fortunate they were to escape with victories each of the last 2 years, while having a sizable talent gap (on paper). Regardless of Fleming’s decision or Toutant’s flip, have faith that JF & staff will continue to recruit at an extremely high level, and in the process, continue to chip away at any talent advantage OSU may have.

 

[OhioLion]

Curious, norm, you agree, or just “got it” that pines made a statement?

OL

 

[OhioLion]

Ahh. Saw your addition.

OL

 

[danvillenit]

What do all these guys have in common?...Olu Fashanu, Cole Brevard, Derek Wingo, D’Von Ellies, Noah Cain, Brenton Strange, Michael Johnson Jr., John Dunmore, Lance Dixon, Hakeem Beamon, Brandon Smith, Tyler Rudolph, Marquis Wilson, Devyn Ford, Rasheed Walker, Jayson Oweh, Jahon Dotson, Micah Parsons, Aneas Hawkins, PJ Mustipher, Juice Scruggs, Jesse Luketa, Ricky Slade & Zack Kuntz.

The answer is that, aside from all of them being current or committed PSU football players, they all had offers to OSU. While one could argue that perhaps, not all of their OSU offers were “commitable”, that would definitely be more the exception than the rule. For all of you PSU Debbie Downers out there, I hope this list will provide you with some perspective that in fact, OSU loses plenty of recruiting battles vs PSU. There is some serious talent on this list, with several Rivals 100 guys represented.

The sky is not falling. JF is continuing to close the talent gap, and in a big way, vs OSU. And while the typical Buckeye fan is way too arrogant or biased to acknowledge it, they should realize just how fortunate they were to escape with victories each of the last 2 years, while having a sizable talent gap (on paper). Regardless of Fleming’s decision or Toutant’s flip, have faith that JF & staff will continue to recruit at an extremely high level, and in the process, continue to chip away at any talent advantage OSU nt gap will start to widen again have.

Yes we have closed the gap but we haven’t eliminated it. It certainly appears OSU will have a better class again this year. Imo Franklin needs to win another BigTen title in 2019 or 2020 or the the gap will start to widen again.

 

[martypsu]

Beat them on the field and the gap disappears. We blew the lead in the 4th quarter 2 years in a row--thats the problem

 

[RTRMR]

3-7 vs OSU in last 10 years

 

[BrucePa]

Let's be honest with ourselves. Scumbag Sweatervest and Urbs recruited a type of character that Penn State avoids. The typical Ohio State football player would be more than welcomed at the southern schools, and Miami and Florida State would roll out the red carpet for these kids. The under-the-table payments and lack of classroom attendance requirements are very appealing, not to mention the Maurice Clarett SUVs.

When the Sandusky scandal broke, the news was flooded with the developments, and the Trustees sold out the football program in a heartbeat. Ask yourselves, how much news or reaction has there been to the massive Ohio State sex abuse scandal -- CLICK?

 

[klemman]

A few things from an OSU fan based on previous comments on this thread:
1. A team doesn't have to be better than the other team to win, just better that day. The closer in talent, the easier it is to be better that day. (The reason for the close games the past several years))
2. While the lesser talented team may be able to win on any given day, the team with more talent will win more games over time. (That's why the recent head to head record is 3-7 or 7-3, depending on your perspective)
3. At the level PSU and OSU should be recruiting, 1 or 2 prospects won't make a difference overall. What makes a difference is whether a team is accumulating an abundance of talent. ( so Toutant and Fleming only make up about 10% of each program's class)
4. Did OSU win the close games the last couple of years becasue they got lucky, or because that's what better teams do, win when they aren't playing great or the opponent is... (no way of knowing)
5. We have no idea whether Fleming and Toutant will be a stud, a bust, or just average. (No way of knowing)

Conclusion- OSU and PSU are currently the two best football programs in the Big 10, and should continue to be so.

 

[RTRMR]

2-8

I count 3:
08
12
16

 

[klemman]

Let's be honest with ourselves. Scumbag Sweatervest and Urbs recruited a type of character that Penn State avoids. The typical Ohio State football player would be more than welcomed at the southern schools, and Miami and Florida State would roll out the red carpet for these kids. The under-the-table payments and lack of classroom attendance requirements are very appealing, not to mention the Maurice Clarett SUVs.

When the Sandusky scandal broke, the news was flooded with the developments, and the Trustees sold out the football program in a heartbeat. Ask yourselves, how much news or reaction has there been to the massive Ohio State sex abuse scandal -- CLICK?

The same thing is said in all the time with every college football program, other college sports, high school sports, youth league sports, professional sports, businesses, and countries. The old "We don't win because we're better people, or they only win becasue they cheat." There's always exceptions but if you are truly being honest with yourself, there really isn't that much of a difference.

 

[blion72]

Beat them on the field and the gap disappears. We blew the lead in the 4th quarter 2 years in a row--thats the problem

have to agree - beat them on the field the last two years, and avoid the two unusual games with MSU and we would have been in playoff contention. any team can play "what if" game, but we really should have won 2 more games the last two years. it was luck for both OSU and MSU to have gotten those games. our results were below our talent level. if we were +2 wins both seasons and in the playoff hunt, you would see a completely different recruiting situation - not that we aren't doing good. just would allow us to enter elite level.

 

[GarrettFildman]

Yes we have closed the gap but we haven’t eliminated it. It certainly appears OSU will have a better class again this year. Imo Franklin needs to win another BigTen title in 2019 or 2020 or the the gap will start to widen again.

Year / PSU 5 & 4 stars on 4-year recruiting total / Ohio St 5 & 4 stars on 4-year recruiting total / Game results

2016 / 2 & 28 / 4 & 64 / Penn St 24-21
2017 / 1 & 36 / 8 & 59 / Ohio St 39-38
2018 / 4 & 43 / 10 & 64 / Ohio St 27-26
2019 / 5 & 47 / 12 & 60 / Nov 23 @ Ohio St

We are closing the gap significantly in 4 star recruits but Ohio St has tripled their 5 star recruits on their 4-year recruiting total since 2016. That is where the biggest difference remains in recruiting. And this trend looks to continue with the 2020 class as Ohio St already has 2 top 10 overall 5 stars and is still looking to add 5 stars. Penn St looks not likely to land a 2020 5 star even though we are loading up on 4 stars. Many 5 $tars are looking for something Penn St doesn't offer.

 

[RTRMR]

You said last 10, that PSU was 3-7 vs OSU.


Not correct.


Math.



(Spoiler: 2008 wasn’t one of the last 10 games)

You’re right, my bad!
Thank for furthering the point that we’ve been OSUs BITCH!

 

[GarrettFildman]

have to agree - beat them on the field the last two years, and avoid the two unusual games with MSU and we would have been in playoff contention. any team can play "what if" game, but we really should have won 2 more games the last two years. it was luck for both OSU and MSU to have gotten those games. our results were below our talent level. if we were +2 wins both seasons and in the playoff hunt, you would see a completely different recruiting situation - not that we aren't doing good. just would allow us to enter elite level.

Our results were NOT below our talent level.

PSU finished 20 AP positions ahead of our 4-year recruiting class average rank the past 3 years.

Ohio St finished 6 AP spots below their 4-year recruiting class average rank the past 3 years.

Michigan St finished 10 AP positions below of our 4-year recruiting class average rank the past 3 years.

 

[SUPERTODD]

Year / PSU 5 & 4 stars on 4-year recruiting total / Ohio St 5 & 4 stars on 4-year recruiting total / Game results

2016 / 2 & 28 / 4 & 64 / Penn St 24-21
2017 / 1 & 36 / 8 & 59 / Ohio St 39-38
2018 / 4 & 43 / 10 & 64 / Ohio St 27-26
2019 / 5 & 47 / 12 & 60 / Nov 23 @ Ohio St

We are closing the gap significantly in 4 star recruits but Ohio St has tripled their 5 star recruits on their 4-year recruiting total since 2016. That is where the biggest difference remains in recruiting. And this trend looks to continue with the 2020 class as Ohio St already has 2 top 10 overall 5 stars and is still looking to add 5 stars. Penn St looks not likely to land a 2020 5 star even though we are loading up on 4 stars. Many 5 $tars are looking for something Penn St doesn't offer.

If Day has the same game results as Meyer then O$U will continue to dominate on the recruiting front.

Urban Meyer was 83-9 (.902 winning percentage) at O$U and 187-32 lifetime (.854).

Urban Meyer is one of the greatest coaches of all time.

If Ryan Day is as good as Urban Meyer than nothing should change.

I’m prettt confident Ryan Day is not the coaching equal of Urban Meyer.

 

[wolve1972]

If Day has the same game results as Meyer then O$U will continue to dominate on the recruiting front.

Urban Meyer was 83-9 (.902 winning percentage) at O$U and 187-32 lifetime (.854).

Urban Meyer is one of the greatest coaches of all time.

If Ryan Day is as good as Urban Meyer than nothing should change.

I’m prettt confident Ryan Day is not the coaching equal of Urban Meyer.

Jim and UM will send Day packing after they humiliate those scumbags in November.

 

[Mudge1026]

Jim and UM will send Day packing after they humiliate those scumbags in November.

Whatever, MichiganAl .

 

[ChiTownLion]

If Day has the same game results as Meyer then O$U will continue to dominate on the recruiting front.

Urban Meyer was 83-9 (.902 winning percentage) at O$U and 187-32 lifetime (.854).

Urban Meyer is one of the greatest coaches of all time.

If Ryan Day is as good as Urban Meyer than nothing should change.

I’m pretty confident is not the coaching equal of Urban Meyer.

Best case scenario for Ryan Day is to inherit a Larry Coker-type situation. Won't know for a year or two if he's any good. I'll take my chances with our classes and CJF.

Also keep in mind that their QB situation could get real ugly, real quick.

 

[dcf4psu]

Does it help the recruiting effort when after the OSU loss in 2018 Coach Franklin called OSU elite while PSU was great. Sounds like a great recruiting tool for OSU if you ask me: "His words, not ours."

 

[Bob_Anderson]

Jim and UM will send Day packing after they humiliate those scumbags in November.

Michigan has the best DL in the country. Clemson #2, OSU #3.

First game of the year. Watch who's hoisting the championship trophy in Indy this year !!!

Jimmy is just now getting on firm grounds with his earlier recruiting. Like I stated earlier on this site about 2 months ago, Michigan would win the BIG, has the best DL in the country, and would get Zach Harrison. Soon they'll supplant Bama as the power in CF. Not funny now, is it ? GO BLUE

Michigan is going to absolutely roll a sorry sucknut team. Just a foregone conclusion.

Jimmy's going to take care of that on Saturday. Release the Wolverine in Michigan football. Hope everyone can handle the run Michigan is about to go on over the next few years !!!!

Big win by PSU. If I had to pick a NC right now, I'd have to go with Michigan. They have a complete team

You're getting some bad info. He's all Michigan and has been for a couple of months. His second choice is PSU. OSU was never really in the mix as the kid wants to get out of that $hit hole known as Columbus.

You can't go wrong with either Elliott or Barkley - both outstanding NFL backs.

I'm really looking forward to next year when Karan Higdon joins them. It will be great to see all 3 consistently putting up 1,000 + yard seasons for years to come. The BIG East should dominate the Pro Bowl selection for the next 5 years or so

Well deserved honors for Barkley. The BIG talent level at RB in the NFL is staggering and will only get better after Karan Higdon joins Elliott and Barkley - those 3 will dominate NFL rushing stats for years to come.

Agree ! No way they're a no 1 seed. Michigan is more deserving than those clowns

The two names being thrown around as JB's replacement are Brad Stevens and Billy Donavan. Look for UM to throw huge money at either one.

Fr. Zach Charbonet is the next great UM RB. He has All-American and future 1st round NFL draft pick written all over him.

 

[nittany119]

It is what it is.

That said, PSU has probably played as well agains tOSU as anyone has (though I am pretty sure both MSU and - I think - UW have three wins against them as of late...... but PSU has been consistently close vs OSU since moving past the awfulest of the sanction years)

If PSU is OSU’s “bitch”, what is UMich? (Or most other B10 programs)?
Is there a term for “less than a bitch”?

As opposed to UMich (and pretty much everyone else) PSU has been “right there”..... even with the sanctions:

PSU:
Won in 2008
Lost in 2009 and 2010
Won in 2011

Sanction years:
Despite the sanctions
Was right there in 2012 (until Marty threw that horrible pick 6 coming out of the half) and competitive for 4 quarters
Was blasted in 2013
Went to OT in 2014
Lost in 2015

Then, exiting the sanctions:
Won in 2016
Lost by 1 point late in 2017
Lost by 1 point late in 2018


Close may only count in horseshoes, but it is also a good indication of the distance separating two programs.

Let’s put several asterisks next to 2014. OSU was given that game that night. They may have ultimately win it, but the way they won still makes me want to puke

 

[nittany119]

Jim and UM will send Day packing after they humiliate those scumbags in November.

November of what year?

 

[map-#1]

Jim and UM will send Day packing after they humiliate those scumbags in November.

Hope you don’t want to bet your house on that pal. If so call me.

 

[Art]

Hope you don’t want to bet your house on that pal. If so call me.

Be careful what you wish for:

 

[osu68]

What do all these guys have in common?...Olu Fashanu, Cole Brevard, Derek Wingo, D’Von Ellies, Noah Cain, Brenton Strange, Michael Johnson Jr., John Dunmore, Lance Dixon, Hakeem Beamon, Brandon Smith, Tyler Rudolph, Marquis Wilson, Devyn Ford, Rasheed Walker, Jayson Oweh, Jahon Dotson, Micah Parsons, Aneas Hawkins, PJ Mustipher, Juice Scruggs, Jesse Luketa, Ricky Slade & Zack Kuntz.

The answer is that, aside from all of them being current or committed PSU football players, they all had offers to OSU. While one could argue that perhaps, not all of their OSU offers were “commitable”, that would definitely be more the exception than the rule. For all of you PSU Debbie Downers out there, I hope this list will provide you with some perspective that in fact, OSU loses plenty of recruiting battles vs PSU. There is some serious talent on this list, with several Rivals 100 guys represented.

The sky is not falling. JF is continuing to close the talent gap, and in a big way, vs OSU. And while the typical Buckeye fan is way too arrogant or biased to acknowledge it, they should realize just how fortunate they were to escape with victories each of the last 2 years, while having a sizable talent gap (on paper). Regardless of Fleming’s decision or Toutant’s flip, have faith that JF & staff will continue to recruit at an extremely high level, and in the process, continue to chip away at any talent advantage OSU may have.

BOTTOM LINE: Each player takes his decision based upon multiple reasons...basically what he believes is his best situation going forward.

ALL OF US who follow recruiting really know that and hope the best outcomes for each player and the program selected. From day one, it is up the the player to make the most of it. Not the dreams of the fans.

 

[sdwcpa]

Our results were NOT below our talent level.

PSU finished 20 AP positions ahead of our 4-year recruiting class average rank the past 3 years.

Ohio St finished 6 AP spots below their 4-year recruiting class average rank the past 3 years.

Michigan St finished 10 AP positions below of our 4-year recruiting class average rank the past 3 years.

Huh? OSU finished 3rd in 2018 5th in 2017 and 6th in 2016 or an average of somewhere between 4 and 5 in final AP poll. .Not possible to finish 6 AP spots below their recruiting ranking.

 

[GarrettFildman]

Huh? OSU finished 3rd in 2018 5th in 2017 and 6th in 2016 or an average of somewhere between 4 and 5 in final AP poll. .Not possible to finish 6 AP spots below their recruiting ranking.

Thank you for correcting me. It's actually 7 spots.

Ohio St's 4-year recruiting class average ranking was #2 in the nation last season, tied for #2 with FSU and LSU in 2017, and #3 (LSU was #2). Only Alabama's was better over that timeframe. So I should have counted 2017 as #2 4-year recruiting class average which yields (6-3)+(5-2)+(3-2) = 7 AP spots below the 4-year recruiting ranking.

The good news is that Georgia has passed them for the 4-year recruiting class average next season so they only need to finish #3 in the AP to not be a slight underperformer for a 4th straight season with their talent.

 

[Mixolydian]

Thank you for correcting me. It's actually 7 spots.

Ohio St's 4-year recruiting class average ranking was #2 in the nation last season, tied for #2 with FSU and LSU in 2017, and #3 (LSU was #2). Only Alabama's was better over that timeframe. So I should have counted 2017 as #2 4-year recruiting class average which yields (6-3)+(5-2)+(3-2) = 7 AP spots below the 4-year recruiting ranking.

The good news is that Georgia has passed them for the 4-year recruiting class average next season so they only need to finish #3 in the AP to not be a slight underperformer for a 4th straight season with their talent.

Thatta boy. Keep running with this nonsense. Super impressive analysis.....

 

[GarrettFildman]

Thatta boy. Keep running with this nonsense. Super impressive analysis.....

It is simply the difference in the AP poll and the average recruiting class rank for the 4 years that would be playing freshman through senior. You don't like what the data says, OK. But that is the data.

Maybe Ohio St should stop buying as many 5 stars and the data would no longer suggest that you should be playing for a national championship most years? Otherwise, maybe make the playoff more than once in the last 3 years while being blown out 31-0? It's as simple as the 2nd best recruiting from 2013 - 2018 should produce something of significance in 2016, 2017, or 2018. It did not. Ohio St fans should be the ones disappointed with those results. I'm sure those recruits were. I guarantee they weren't sold on not scoring a single point in the playoff over 3 years, not with that much talent around them.

 

[jimjim47]

A few things from an OSU fan based on previous comments on this thread:
1. A team doesn't have to be better than the other team to win, just better that day. The closer in talent, the easier it is to be better that day. (The reason for the close games the past several years))
2. While the lesser talented team may be able to win on any given day, the team with more talent will win more games over time. (That's why the recent head to head record is 3-7 or 7-3, depending on your perspective)
3. At the level PSU and OSU should be recruiting, 1 or 2 prospects won't make a difference overall. What makes a difference is whether a team is accumulating an abundance of talent. ( so Toutant and Fleming only make up about 10% of each program's class)
4. Did OSU win the close games the last couple of years becasue they got lucky, or because that's what better teams do, win when they aren't playing great or the opponent is... (no way of knowing)
5. We have no idea whether Fleming and Toutant will be a stud, a bust, or just average. (No way of knowing)

Conclusion- OSU and PSU are currently the two best football programs in the Big 10, and should continue to be so.

LOL - Osu and PSU are the best football programs in the Big 10. PSU is the most delusional fan base in the BIg 10.

 

[bison13]

LOL - Osu and PSU are the best football programs in the Big 10. PSU is the most delusional fan base in the BIg 10.

maybe a close 2nd to UM. Look at all those championships UM has....

 

[PSUSignore]

You don't like what the data says, OK. But that is the data.

You sure are vested in this data, it must have taken you a while to put together since you seem so reluctant to accept that your conclusions are flawed. Maybe your data is correct, but your conclusions don't pass the sniff test. That alone should have given you pause that either the way you are interpreting the data, or the data you've selected to reach your conclusions, are off base.

 

[PS4814]

Thank you for correcting me. It's actually 7 spots.

Ohio St's 4-year recruiting class average ranking was #2 in the nation last season, tied for #2 with FSU and LSU in 2017, and #3 (LSU was #2). Only Alabama's was better over that timeframe. So I should have counted 2017 as #2 4-year recruiting class average which yields (6-3)+(5-2)+(3-2) = 7 AP spots below the 4-year recruiting ranking.

The good news is that Georgia has passed them for the 4-year recruiting class average next season so they only need to finish #3 in the AP to not be a slight underperformer for a 4th straight season with their talent.

 

[N&B4PSU]

Best case scenario for Ryan Day is to inherit a Larry Coker-type situation. Won't know for a year or two if he's any good. I'll take my chances with our classes and CJF.

Also keep in mind that their QB situation could get real ugly, real quick.

If their QB situation gets ugly... then it would be really ugly.

They play pretty much nobody in the first 4 games (ok, Cincy and Indy will be legit games, but....)... they should easily go 4-0 before heading to their first real match at Nebraska (at which time we'll find out if kNU is ready to return to the big leagues).

If osu falters early, they are in deep sheiss. I think you'll see big numbers from Fields... then we'll see what we see as their schedule gets tough fast (at kNU, home with MSU, at NW, home vs Wisky). They do have their bye sets in (imo) the best possible place to rest up and recover during the meat of the schedule.

Interesting to consider: they play us at osu but have to go to UM the next week... could we actually prove to be a trap game for them (esp if UM has a big year).

 

[Howie'81]

Does it help the recruiting effort when after the OSU loss in 2018 Coach Franklin called OSU elite while PSU was great. Sounds like a great recruiting tool for OSU if you ask me: "His words, not ours."

Everyone's making a big deal out of those comments, but frankly, I understood exactly what he was saying and he was probably right. Sure Franklin was frustrated after a very tough loss, but I understood, and so should everyone, that it was an exhortation to his players, coaches, and the entire program to do the necessary things to get to OSU's level. He didn't say we wouldn't get there. He said that to get there, certain things have to happen. JoePa was the same in his philosophy. He said, "Take care of the little things and the big things will take care of themselves." He used different words, but Franklin was saying the exact same thing.

 

[Howie'81]

LOL - Osu and PSU are the best football programs in the Big 10. PSU is the most delusional fan base in the BIg 10.

Come back when you win something. We might all be dead by then though.

 

[22buck]

Let's be honest with ourselves. Scumbag Sweatervest and Urbs recruited a type of character that Penn State avoids. The typical Ohio State football player would be more than welcomed at the southern schools, and Miami and Florida State would roll out the red carpet for these kids. The under-the-table payments and lack of classroom attendance requirements are very appealing, not to mention the Maurice Clarett SUVs.

Let's be honest... do you actually believe what you're writing? Because you couldn't be more wrong about the players OSU is recruiting. OSU just finished second among B1G football programs in the Academic Progress Rate for 2019 (behind only Northwestern). PSU finished in a tie for 5th. OSU also had a higher APR than PSU in 2018. And in 2017, when PSU finished last in the B1G.

OSU should see high APRs in the future given the guys they've recently signed. In the most recent class they have valedictorian Harry Miller, who turned down Stanford to sign with OSU. Miller has also done multiple missionary trips to Nicaragua where he's dug sanitary trenches and delivered beds in poverty stricken areas.

Also in the 2019 class OSU signed Steele Chambers (3.9 GPA), who turned down Stanford and ND, Zach Harrison (3.57 GPA) who was named a national NFF scholar athlete, Bryson Shaw (3.35 GPA), Tommy Eichenberg (3.3 GPA), Cade Stover (3.34 GPA), Marcus Crowley (3.18 GPA), etc. The 2018 class featured, among others, Nicholas Petit-Frere, who had a 3.8 GPA in a tough curriculum at Berkeley Prep.

OSU's players are also excelling outside of the classroom. Sam Hubbard (who graduated cum laude in Finance) earned invitations to intern at Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. Billy Price and Terry McLaurin earned highly sought after internships with Nike and Dre'Mont Jones was invited to intern with the DEA. These aren't walk-ons or backups brought in to help with team GPA... these are star players and high NFL draft choices. Yeah, clearly OSU signs "a type of character that Penn State avoids".

 

[Mudge1026]

LOL - Osu and PSU are the best football programs in the Big 10. PSU is the most delusional fan base in the BIg 10.

So when was the last time Michigan won the BIG? Last time I checked it was 15 years ago.

 

[pandaczar12]

In the midst of the two worst scandals (Strauss and Michigan Man Nassar) in the history of CFB. I can't believe OSU and Michigan fans are here talking about sports, that's incredibly tone deaf.

 

[Get Nasty]

What do all these guys have in common?...Olu Fashanu, Cole Brevard, Derek Wingo, D’Von Ellies, Noah Cain, Brenton Strange, Michael Johnson Jr., John Dunmore, Lance Dixon, Hakeem Beamon, Brandon Smith, Tyler Rudolph, Marquis Wilson, Devyn Ford, Rasheed Walker, Jayson Oweh, Jahon Dotson, Micah Parsons, Aneas Hawkins, PJ Mustipher, Juice Scruggs, Jesse Luketa, Ricky Slade & Zack Kuntz.

The answer is that, aside from all of them being current or committed PSU football players, they all had offers to OSU. While one could argue that perhaps, not all of their OSU offers were “commitable”, that would definitely be more the exception than the rule. For all of you PSU Debbie Downers out there, I hope this list will provide you with some perspective that in fact, OSU loses plenty of recruiting battles vs PSU. There is some serious talent on this list, with several Rivals 100 guys represented.

The sky is not falling. JF is continuing to close the talent gap, and in a big way, vs OSU. And while the typical Buckeye fan is way too arrogant or biased to acknowledge it, they should realize just how fortunate they were to escape with victories each of the last 2 years, while having a sizable talent gap (on paper). Regardless of Fleming’s decision or Toutant’s flip, have faith that JF & staff will continue to recruit at an extremely high level, and in the process, continue to chip away at any talent advantage OSU may have.

The fact you have Parsons in this list shows the biased research you did. I get your point though.

With that said, one PSU class worth of players had OSU Offers, I would bet about 75% + OSU players had PSU Offers, and some probably didn't because PSU knew they had no chance.

Call it like it is, psu can field a solid team, but they are not even close to competing continuously against the top 4-6 teams. OSU is crushing PSU in recruiting, ND is beating them as well. Two teams that can get into PA, and PSU needs to hold off, they are not holding them off for very good recruits. We aren't even talking about penn state snagging big time recruits in the back yard of any top 10 programs.