Seems more like he got put in a bad light because he was fired, words were said by a few players about being misdiagnosed, and he’s just trying to wash the stain away.
Dr scott Lynch files lawsuit against PSU, Barbour, and Franklin
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Maybe. Maybe not. The bottom line is no one (outside the individuals involved) knows anything about the situation now.
Even if it never goes to trial, Info will become public once press conferences and depositions are held. Current/ former players will be asked their experiences (you can bet Davey Jones and Flounders are calling around already.).
There’s no use getting all worked up until we know what it is that we are getting all worked up over.
Yep...we may never hear another thing about this, other than they settled.
Just wondering what kind of "pressure" Franklin could apply to a specialist such as Dr. Lynch?
Did he make him run extra sprints? Stadium steps? Perhaps up downs.....
Did he make him run extra sprints? Stadium steps? Perhaps up downs.....
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You're right on re the amount
As to the names of the athletes, unless there are HIPAA releases, we won't be hearing those. I would even expect that specific procedures won't be noted publicly as they could be identifying information
Academic physicians don't get severance. They also don't get fired. They just get non-renewal of their contracts. Frequently this comes with a restrictive covenant that remains in place for a year or so, which is a bitch when you aren't the one who makes the decision to leave. A very large academic medical center in the western part of the state always takes this pound of flesh when a relationship ends, if they can.
I don't know if that is what happened to this guy, but it is the most common way of dealing with a problem child.
Why are we all so quick to dismiss what this doctor is saying? I have no idea if he is right or wrong. We seem quick to dismiss this cause its Penn St, but yet the heavy majority of people on here would be slamming the coach at (insert University "x") if it were them. This has been out there for a couple hours let's wait and see how this turns out. We have no idea if some players might start coming forward, or maybe this doctor has an ax to grind with Franklin.
There are certain schools that regardless of a story don't get the benefit of the doubt based upon how they have handled previous transgressions. Penn St., Michigan St, and Ohio St, are just some of the recent ones that from a national perspective are not going to get the benefit of the doubt. Like I say, there might be nothing to see here, or there could be a lot to see here. It's not as if James Franklin has had a squeaky clean reputation over the years. His time at Vandy saw some moments of questionable character and decisions with players.
I replied to this specific post because the significance to the tweet has nothing to do what the allegations are. Why didn't James tweet that yesterday. Let's just wait and see where the story goes before we start blasting trainers and/or coaches for their roles in the allegations.
From the article:
"He is seeking more than $50,000 in damages from the university in his suit. He claims Penn State officials violated his rights as a whistleblower."
WHISTLEBLOWER.
This is your take-away from the entire Sandusky events?
Joyner is the gift that keeps on giving. According to this article, someone from the BOT stated the move to Lynch was for "cost savings". What a joke.
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...otball-team-medical-care/stories/201305150207
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...otball-team-medical-care/stories/201305150207
Are you fing insane? To lump us in with OSU and MSU with respect to penalties, National perceptions and not receiving the benefit of doubt is obscene. We were punished egregiously and subjected to public ridicule. Please detail for me the equal punishments that OSU and MSU received.
Doesn't Dambley get a cut of the settlement?
And or grievances that were 10s, even 100s times worse that what was alleged at PSU.
Or infinity worse, since nothing really happened "at PSU".
Sure. Can you link any examples? The doc who was fired didn't have any in his lawsuit.
Or you can just give me one example of a player who was rushed back from injury. Franklin has a long history here of being overly cautious with players who are injured. Five star WR Justin Shorter dislocated his kneecap last summer and Franklin kept him out most of the season as a precaution. Sure as shit could have used him last year.
Guessing it’ll all come down to what the definition of “pressure” is.
If there’s a CFB coach in the country that doesn’t exert “some form of pressure” to get his players back on the field, I’d be totally shocked.
(In the meantime, the BOT has reconvened to discuss raising their offer.)
If there’s a CFB coach in the country that doesn’t exert “some form of pressure” to get his players back on the field, I’d be totally shocked.
(In the meantime, the BOT has reconvened to discuss raising their offer.)
"If McQueary can get 10 million for doing nothing, why can't I?"
well...I don't know of any time when said "pressure" rose to the point where a Dr. sued.
This has an awful look for CJF and PSU no matter if it is true or not. We just don't know enough to draw any conclusions. CJF has been great at supporting the players. Many metrics have improved since he was hired (GPA, Graduations, etc.). Having said that we have had several kids leave the program under weird circumstances (tommy, JJ to name two).
A bad hire or what?
I wouldn't read too much into the fact he did not have specific examples in his filing. They are not needed in the filing. I think this allegation could be troublesome. Considering, the Doctor approached the administration regarding the matter prior to his firing. This worries me.
or is this the very example of what the Doc is talking about? Maybe Franklin thought he was healthy enough to play, but the Doc would not release him? CJF knows he cant over rule the Doc, so publicly he says he is being careful with him, privately he is telling the Doc the kid is good to go, let him play and we will see.
I doubt we will ever know.
So basically he's saying Franklin wanted him to clear guys to return to practice too soon. Then he complained to Barbour and Green about it, but they rebuffed him. Then he complained to Hershey and they rebuffed him. Now he's suing.
How is he being hurt by this?
How is he being hurt by this?
Simply put....to believe what Lynch is saying you must dismiss everything we have seen and believe everything is phoney about the image that CJF has projected since he has arrived here. I say bullshit to Lynch.
Are you here to blame the coaches without knowing any details??
Doc: “Coach, I don’t think XYZ should play this week.”
Examples of “pressure” responses:
“Why not?”
“Are you sure?”
“Could he play 10 plays if we need him?”
“Can he play next week?”
Other examples of “pressure” responses:
“Are you FUDGING KIDDING ME?”
“I know where you live!”
“I’ll have your job!”
Unless something is in writing or on video (doubtful)....or unless numerous athletes or parents come out in support of the doc (also doubtful, but remotely possible).....I think this is just an attempt by the doc to retaliate for being let go. Ego restoration.....easy money.
Examples of “pressure” responses:
“Why not?”
“Are you sure?”
“Could he play 10 plays if we need him?”
“Can he play next week?”
Other examples of “pressure” responses:
“Are you FUDGING KIDDING ME?”
“I know where you live!”
“I’ll have your job!”
Unless something is in writing or on video (doubtful)....or unless numerous athletes or parents come out in support of the doc (also doubtful, but remotely possible).....I think this is just an attempt by the doc to retaliate for being let go. Ego restoration.....easy money.
I totally agree. without any real evidence being presented, this could be something or it could be nothing. They guy may have been a royal pain in the butt and when canned, filed a lawsuit. On the other hand, there could have been kids that were hurt and someone on the staff tried to convince the good doctor to release them for practice. Nobody knows.
There are many who have likely watched more football than me...BUT based solely on my own limited observations, bringing back Star Player X when they are clearly not 100% rarely exhibits much more than an intangible encouragement of teammates.
For every example of Kirk Gibson in the World Series (ok, different sport) or TO in the Super Bowl, there are countless other star players whose 100% is difference-making but whose 80% is NOT difference-making, albeit encouraging.
So in this case, the implication of the accusation isn't even that it was a star player rushed back...it purportedly was injured, (less than 100%) backup players being rushed back just to be on the practice field???
For every example of Kirk Gibson in the World Series (ok, different sport) or TO in the Super Bowl, there are countless other star players whose 100% is difference-making but whose 80% is NOT difference-making, albeit encouraging.
So in this case, the implication of the accusation isn't even that it was a star player rushed back...it purportedly was injured, (less than 100%) backup players being rushed back just to be on the practice field???
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Because with Joyner, of course, his only concern was the well being of the student athletes. Apparently he thought going cheap was a means to an end. And don't forget Joyner is a guy who admitted he wanted the AD job so he could get a pension.
its a difficult call...with no real clarity to base these kinds of decisions. And that ambiguity creates the opportunity for misunderstandings. That leads to law suits. At some point, a player being injury prone has to be considered. Look at a kid like Adam Breneman. He just couldn't stay healthy. Then, leaves the program and becomes a great TE for UMass. Injuries and how you play through them are part of the game.
You also have a kid lake Barkley, who plays the first half against W to get a comfortable lead and then in benched in the second half to make sure he doesn't get hurt and lose a huge NFL payday.
You know, for a while now I have been trying to give that guy the benefit of the doubt. But recently I have become convinced he really does not like anything Penn State. I am going to put him on my punch list.
I was lumping you in with MSU and OSU because they have been in the headlines for the wrong reasons lately. Similar to PSU being in the headlines for the wrong reasons. Nobody can question the punishment aspect of this in terms of PSU getting punished harder than any other institution, specifically those ones I mentioned.
All I'm saying is we have no idea what happened with this team doctor and the player(s) involved. Just like we have no idea if James Franklin did pressure him. This is all allegations or speculation at this point. My point is that when you are a school (not just PSU) that has been in the news over the past few years for the wrong reasons - people will begin to bring up the past. Right or wrong that's just what happens.
Sorry I stand by my statement. As a coach, you don't seek to get to the top of the summit at the expense of the physical or emotional well being of your players. If you reach that destination, you do so by enhancing the afore mentioned conditions. If you do jeopardize them, you are despicable. This was my profession. I know what I'm talking about.
Wait...was there or was there not a guy on campus doing inappropriate things with kids?
I'm just going off this timeline of events: https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/28/us/penn-state-scandal-fast-facts/index.html
Every college has had "a guy doing inappropriate things with kids on campus" at one time or another.
Forced him to buy Pitt season tickets.
Notice he says "lumping YOU in", so clearly he's not one of us.
Dude: do me a favor. Go jump off a bridge. But before you do that, please go back in time and abort your parents. They are likely scumbag losers anyhow who were forced to eat vomit off of tavern floors. And after that, they may well have been forced to matriculate at Pitt, or some such place.
Thank you.
Would a coach be within his rights to question why player A or B was instructed to "retire" only to go to another team and play well and injury free?
