I keep going back and forth... 2016 was a good time, but only because of the people I went with. The Ped State shit got old quick... The tailgating in the heat, on concrete did too... I can't imagine how sloppy things would have gotten had it been a later game. I don't think i've ever seen a drunker trashier swathe of sports fans in my life. It felt like going to a Skins game at Fedex. Just the trashiest gathering of people you could imagine. One specific incident, I'll never forget happened while waiting for a porto. This guy was clapping off beat, and yelling f&*k State Penn, over and over again.. stumbling around like an idiot. finally, someone out of nowhere blindsides the guy, knocking him down face first into the concrete. Everyone laughed and cheered, then right as the dude got back up to his feet, the guy who knocked him over, slipped into one of the portos that opened up just at the right time. The guy gets back to his fit, all dirty and stumbling... "Who the hell was it" just babbling like crazy person. Finally, as it was his turn to go in... legit like 20 seconds from it being his turn... he pissed himself right there in front of everyone... and just walked away acting like nothing happened. As I walked the mile back to the tailgate I remember thinking, ahhh ha... so this is why we don't play Pitt anymore. I finally get it.. May have just answered my own question.