Spanier targeting Lubert

[bjf1991]

AvgUser: Barry's response pretty much says it all, but that paragraph in the amended complaint is significant for several reasons:

1. It names Ira Lubert as an additional defendant, thus subjecting him to prospective personal liability for damages, although the likelihood is that PSU will be obligated to indemnify him for any legal costs or judgments that may be levied against him, provided he can establish that his actions on behalf of the University were taken in good faith. (God, do I wish I could have seen the look on Lubert's face when he received the Complaint and Summons.]

2. More immediately, it means that Lubert (as a party to this litigation) now has to incur the personal inconvenience of lining up legal representation, formally notifying the University and requesting indemnification, appearing for depositions if his deposition is properly noticed, and generally having to deal with this litigation on a more personal level.

3. Additionally, Lubert's being named a defendant means that details of his employment , assets, personal conduct, and personal life can conceivably become the focus of depositions, interrogatories, or court testimony (not to mention public scrutiny), and some of that could end up being very inconvenient and/or embarrassing to him, even if he is never found liable.

All of which I regard as very good news. Kudos to Graham Spanier.

Assuming the suit is allowed to move forward as is
Thus, the rationale for my "pessimism" (especially in light of the September ruling)

 

[wensilver]

I would have paid good money to see that.

I sat with Ira in his bar here at that awful casino-"resort" back in what, October 2014 before Franco's Upon Further Review and chewed on his ear. (did I tell you that the property has a certain odor about it? )

He told me Joe "had to go" because he was the CEO of the football program. He said it would have been expected of him in his role with his companies. So it will be interesting to see what his response is to this. Will Ira step down as Chair of the Board of Trustees? Not a good look for Ira now, is it?

(God, do I wish I could have seen the look on Lubert's face when he received the Complaint and Summons.]

 

[marshall23]

I would have paid good money to see that.

I sat with Ira in his bar here at that awful casino-"resort" back in what, October 2014 before Franco's Upon Further Review and chewed on his ear. (did I tell you that the property has a certain odor about it? )

He told me Joe "had to go" because he was the CEO of the football program. He said it would have been expected of him in his role with his companies. So it will be interesting to see what his response is to this. Will Ira step down as Chair of the Board of Trustees? Not a good look for Ira now, is it?

Ira may not always be right but he is NEVER wrong....just ask him.

 

[pandaczar12]

I would have paid good money to see that.

I sat with Ira in his bar here at that awful casino-"resort" back in what, October 2014 before Franco's Upon Further Review and chewed on his ear. (did I tell you that the property has a certain odor about it? )

He told me Joe "had to go" because he was the CEO of the football program. He said it would have been expected of him in his role with his companies. So it will be interesting to see what his response is to this. Will Ira step down as Chair of the Board of Trustees? Not a good look for Ira now, is it?

Except that Joe worked in an organization where he reported to an athletic director who reported to an actual CEO. There can be only one CEO*, and that person typically only answers to a board. JVP was more of a vice president in charge of football operations. It’s absurd to call JVP a CEO, it’s simply a BS response designed to justify his actions.

*I realize that sometimes that role can be split, but JVP obviously was not in that position.

 

[wensilver]

Well - that's not how Ira put it. Joe "had to go" because whatever IT was happened on his watch.

He then threw Peetzie under the bus for not coming to him with the Consent Decree.

I dunno - none of them can be trusted. And none of them are honorable.

Except that Joe worked in an organization where he reported to an athletic director who reported to an actual CEO. There can be only one CEO*, and that person typically only answers to a board. JVP was more of a vice president in charge of football operations. It’s absurd to call JVP a CEO, it’s simply a BS response designed to justify his actions.

*I realize that sometimes that role can be split, but JVP obviously was not in that position.

 

[lionlurker]

How did he throw Peetz under the bus?

 

[Victor E. Bell]

As Ira Lubert is extremely wealthy, he is sued all the time, more often than pnny changes handles. This is of no consequence to people with his wherewithal. Guys like Ira Lubert are probably oblivious to half, if not most of the civil litigation that comes their way. I tried to explain this awhile back to another regular here and was upbraided. That's ok. Do a little research....

http://www.courts.phila.gov/casesearch/

 

[bjf1991]

Ira Lubert is above reproach.

For GOD'S SAKE....we was UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED to be the Chairman of the Board for one of the Nation's premier Universities!!!!!!



Proof - once again - that every:
stupid, conflicted, expedient, cowardly, self-serving, acquiescent action
carries with it a price.

Thank you so much:



EDWARD "TED" B. BROWN, III (2019)

President & CEO, KETCHConsulting, Inc.


BARBARA L. DORAN (2019)

Director, Senior Portfolio Manager, YorkBridge Wealth Partners


ROBERT C. JUBELIRER (2017)

Partner, Obermayer, Rebmann, Maxwell & Hippel


ALBERT L. LORD (2017)


ANTHONY P. LUBRANO (2018)

President, A.P. Lubrano

& Company, Inc.


RYAN J. McCOMBIE (2018)


WILLIAM F. OLDSEY (2019)

Independent Consultant/Educational Publishing


ALICE W. POPE (2017)

Associate Professor, Department of Psychology,

St. John's University


ROBERT J. TRIBECK (2018)

Attorney, Post Acute Medical, LLC

rjt107@psu.edu

 

[NittPicker]

He then threw Peetzie under the bus for not coming to him with the Consent Decree.

How did he throw Peetz under the bus?

That is interesting considering Erickson claimed the NCAA wouldn't allow him to consult with anyone. So Lubert admitted that Erickson looped in Peetz? I wonder what else Erickson was lying about.

 

[Corabi94]

As it turns out, "Penn Staters for Accountability" were bent over and ass-humped by the A9 (and we are not talking about a Sandusky "blowing raspberries" encounter - we are talking about a honest-to-goodness bend over and ram it in 34-0 dry hump)


I guess it was a mistake to think that those folks - the A9 - would have an agenda that was congruent with "Penn Staters for Accountability"

Apparently, a nice "JVP Honorarium" was a higher priority

Of course, that was all explained to us unwashed masses after Sept 17th.......right?
Or did I miss that?


But.....but....but ...... "We are reviewing the Freeh File - Goddammit!!!!!!"

It is what it is

The A9 have only ever cared about Paterno. There are no facts that dispute this.

 

[91Joe95]

AvgUser: Barry's response pretty much says it all, but that paragraph in the amended complaint is significant for several reasons:

1. It names Ira Lubert as an additional defendant, thus subjecting him to prospective personal liability for damages, although the likelihood is that PSU will be obligated to indemnify him for any legal costs or judgments that may be levied against him, provided he can establish that his actions on behalf of the University were taken in good faith. (God, do I wish I could have seen the look on Lubert's face when he received the Complaint and Summons.]

2. More immediately, it means that Lubert (as a party to this litigation) now has to incur the personal inconvenience of lining up legal representation, formally notifying the University and requesting indemnification, appearing for depositions if his deposition is properly noticed, and generally having to deal with this litigation on a more personal level.

3. Additionally, Lubert's being named a defendant means that details of his employment , assets, personal conduct, and personal life can conceivably become the focus of depositions, interrogatories, or court testimony (not to mention public scrutiny), and some of that could end up being very inconvenient and/or embarrassing to him, even if he is never found liable.

All of which I regard as very good news. Kudos to Graham Spanier.

It should also mean he has to recuse himself from all decisions and deliberations on these matters. Yeah, I just laughed too.

 

[ChiTownLion]

Does Bruce Heim have any 'official' connections to the university?

If so, why can't/doesn't Spanier go after him too?

Heim has an MBA from Penn State. I believe that's his sole connection.

And I believe he's made a fairly comfortable living from its students.

 

[jerrycalpal]

Lubert needs to resign. Period.

 

[JeannieNeedsAShooter]

I would have paid good money to see that.

I sat with Ira in his bar here at that awful casino-"resort" back in what, October 2014 before Franco's Upon Further Review and chewed on his ear. (did I tell you that the property has a certain odor about it? )

He told me Joe "had to go" because he was the CEO of the football program. He said it would have been expected of him in his role with his companies. So it will be interesting to see what his response is to this. Will Ira step down as Chair of the Board of Trustees? Not a good look for Ira now, is it?

Would have been nice if someone took the time to find out if JS was actually guilty and/or if PSU had any liabilities. They told the world PSU is guilty, we're sorry, Joe "knew", etc. as long as there is no research done into business dealings of BOT members, plain and simple. What happened at Syracuse can actually be proven, there's actually evidence, and yet it went away and is never talked about. The difference? All in how it was handled by the admin.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Hard to decide which I regret more: my parents' money going to the Apartment Store or mine going to the Levi Lamb. Either way.........

 

[Royal_Coaster]

Yes I'm starting to wonder if Ira had a basement he used for things other than storing his Christmas decorations?

I wonder how many different unique DNA samples you could find on his right index finger.

 

[chizco]

Ira Lubert is above reproach.

For GOD'S SAKE....we was UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED to be the Chairman of the Board for one of the Nation's premier Universities!!!!!!

I surprised Lubrano isn't here defending Ira and praising his leadership skills.

 

[Stufftodo]

Spanier lists Lubert as being on the Southeast Region Board of TSM, which isn't the Board that ran TSM. He also noted that his tenure ended in 2008, and not necessarily on that board during the investigation. Lubert clearly had left that board before Sandusky resigned from the TSM board.

It is fodder for message boards, but not relevant.

Spanier's complaint is nearly as long as his first one was, which raised Judge Eby's ire.

 

[Nellie R]

Spanier lists Lubert as being on the Southeast Region Board of TSM, which isn't the Board that ran TSM. He also noted that his tenure ended in 2008, and not necessarily on that board during the investigation. Lubert clearly had left that board before Sandusky resigned from the TSM board.

It is fodder for message boards, but not relevant.

Spanier's complaint is nearly as long as his first one was, which raised Judge Eby's ire.

But then again, it's possible Lubert's Green Hills might turn out to be relevant at some point: http://web.archive.org/web/20120117...te/second-mile-camp-had-cross-dressing-111411

Eby's Ire (Ira?) indicates he doesn't think it's important to lay the basis to prove the malice portion of a lawsuit?

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Spanier lists Lubert as being on the Southeast Region Board of TSM, which isn't the Board that ran TSM. He also noted that his tenure ended in 2008, and not necessarily on that board during the investigation. Lubert clearly had left that board before Sandusky resigned from the TSM board.

It is fodder for message boards, but not relevant.

Spanier's complaint is nearly as long as his first one was, which raised Judge Eby's ire.

You certainly have all the answers. It seems a very cut and dried case.
Do you, or whoever you represent, continue to espouse the notion that the alumni are to blame? A simple yes or no will do. Trustee McCombie certainly believes so, as do most of the media.

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/jerry-sandusky/article42809127.html

Is this true? Again, a simple yes or no would be great.

They lash out, they chase conspiracy theories down labyrinthine rabbit-holes, and feel sorry for themselves, all because of their religion of Penn State football and one man’s tragic moral failure.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/16/bernstein-penn-state-as-sick-as-ever/

I want to know what to believe so I can stop doing the bad things that are hurting my great university. Thank you in advance.

 

[bjf1991]

Spanier lists Lubert as being on the Southeast Region Board of TSM, which isn't the Board that ran TSM. He also noted that his tenure ended in 2008, and not necessarily on that board during the investigation. Lubert clearly had left that board before Sandusky resigned from the TSM board.

It is fodder for message boards, but not relevant.

Spanier's complaint is nearly as long as his first one was, which raised Judge Eby's ire.

Good Grief

Another Astro-turfing idiot

Can't "the cause" afford at least ONE "non-complete idiot" employee


WTF difference would it make of Lubert was "still involved" post-2008 (or even post-1998)?

So long as he was involved at ANY TIME during JS tenure, the situation is the same


You can't be that F-ing stupid......can you?

(Now, I expect you will take it as a challenge - and try to prove you ARE that stupid)

 

[interrobang]

I'm sure this will result in the A9 reaffirming their support for Lubert as chair and inspire another ode of love for Lubert to close the next BOT meeting

 

[Stufftodo]

You certainly have all the answers. It seems a very cut and dried case.
Do you, or whoever you represent, continue to espouse the notion that the alumni are to blame? A simple yes or no will do. Trustee McCombie certainly believes so, as do most of the media.

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/jerry-sandusky/article42809127.html

I made no mention of the alumni, Victor. I made mention of what Spanier said in his own filing.

Is this true? Again, a simple yes or no would be great.

They lash out, they chase conspiracy theories down labyrinthine rabbit-holes, and feel sorry for themselves, all because of their religion of Penn State football and one man’s tragic moral failure.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/16/bernstein-penn-state-as-sick-as-ever/

I want to know what to believe so I can stop doing the bad things that are hurting my great university. Thank you in advance.

I don't blame the alumni, which isn't a monolithic group. I blame you for either not reading, or not comprehending, Spanier's filing. You are not listed (under that name, at least) as being an alumnus of this institution, so I am not commenting on them.

As to the question if Lubert was "still involve," the implication of Spanier's filing is Lubert had some information that he didn't tell Spanier. That would be difficult if Lubert was not involved with TSM when there was interaction with DPW (Lubert was gone by the time the criminal investigation started.). It would also be difficult as Lubert was not a member of the board that ran TSM as a whole.

 

[Zenophile]

I made no mention of the alumni, Victor. I made mention of what Spanier said in his own filing.



I don't blame the alumni, which isn't a monolithic group. I blame you for either not reading, or not comprehending, Spanier's filing. You are not listed (under that name, at least) as being an alumnus of this institution, so I am not commenting on them.

As to the question if Lubert was "still involve," the implication of Spanier's filing is Lubert had some information that he didn't tell Spanier. That would be difficult if Lubert was not involved with TSM when there was interaction with DPW (Lubert was gone by the time the criminal investigation started.). It would also be difficult as Lubert was not a member of the board that ran TSM as a whole.

So you've been a member since Monday. What was it that motivated you to join us here at the McAndrew Board community?

 

[LukeIamYourFather]

Would have been nice if someone took the time to find out if JS was actually guilty and/or if PSU had any liabilities. They told the world PSU is guilty, we're sorry, Joe "knew", etc. as long as there is no research done into business dealings of BOT members, plain and simple. What happened at Syracuse can actually be proven, there's actually evidence, and yet it went away and is never talked about. The difference? All in how it was handled by the admin.

Another difference is the number of Syracuse alum at ESPiN

 

[jim cummings]

I made no mention of the alumni, Victor. I made mention of what Spanier said in his own filing.



I don't blame the alumni, which isn't a monolithic group. I blame you for either not reading, or not comprehending, Spanier's filing. You are not listed (under that name, at least) as being an alumnus of this institution, so I am not commenting on them.

As to the question if Lubert was "still involve," the implication of Spanier's filing is Lubert had some information that he didn't tell Spanier. That would be difficult if Lubert was not involved with TSM when there was interaction with DPW (Lubert was gone by the time the criminal investigation started.). It would also be difficult as Lubert was not a member of the board that ran TSM as a whole.

You should check the name Victory Bell.

 

[LukeIamYourFather]

That is interesting considering Erickson claimed the NCAA wouldn't allow him to consult with anyone. So Lubert admitted that Erickson looped in Peetz? I wonder what else Erickson was lying about.

Of course Erickson lied. It doesn't even make any sense that one party could put that condition on the other in a legal agreement. You have to take the deal now and don't speak to your board or lawyers? I am half inclined to believe that our board came up with the sanctions and fed them through Erickson to the NCAA.

 

[lionlurker]

I made no mention of the alumni, Victor. I made mention of what Spanier said in his own filing.



I don't blame the alumni, which isn't a monolithic group. I blame you for either not reading, or not comprehending, Spanier's filing. You are not listed (under that name, at least) as being an alumnus of this institution, so I am not commenting on them.

As to the question if Lubert was "still involve," the implication of Spanier's filing is Lubert had some information that he didn't tell Spanier. That would be difficult if Lubert was not involved with TSM when there was interaction with DPW (Lubert was gone by the time the criminal investigation started.). It would also be difficult as Lubert was not a member of the board that ran TSM as a whole.

So what's your deal, bud? You just joined this week, and every single one of your postings can be interpreted as being sympathetic to the Move On mantra. How about a little bit of background on you?

 

[interrobang]

I am half inclined to believe that our board came up with the sanctions and fed them through Erickson to the NCAA.

All the evidence (especially email) uncovered since absolutely supports this notion. Emmert was surprised PSU wanted this, then at the end, upped the ante just to pile on by doubling the fine and vacating the wins.

 

[91Joe95]

So you've been a member since Monday. What was it that motivated you to join us here at the McAndrew Board community?

Put my pool money on the square that says what he really wants to do is explain why the only thing Ira and the board fought the NCAA over was their football tickets. He's just a little distracted right now.

 

[91Joe95]

So what's your deal, bud? You just joined this week, and every single one of your postings can be interpreted as being sympathetic to the Move On mantra. How about a little bit of background on you?

Do you think he stalks women on the internet?

 

[lionlurker]

Do you think he stalks women on the internet?

Women, and window air-conditioner sales.

 

[moofafoo]

So what's your deal, bud? You just joined this week, and every single one of your postings can be interpreted as being sympathetic to the Move On mantra. How about a little bit of background on you?

Stuff'tdoodoo is no doubt lionrevival.

 

[pandaczar12]

Well - that's not how Ira put it. Joe "had to go" because whatever IT was happened on his watch.

He then threw Peetzie under the bus for not coming to him with the Consent Decree.

I dunno - none of them can be trusted. And none of them are honorable.

I would have loved to ask him "what exactly happened on Joe's watch"? Sandusky didn't report to Joe, Joe didn't want him to have access to the facilities; Joe correctly reported what he heard from MM concerning just one of the victims who is on the record saying he wasn’t abused that night... So its Joe’s fault that MM or TSM dropped the ball?!?!

Why not get rid of Erickson, who approved Sandusky’s access… it happened under his watch? Why not get rid of the person in charge of PSU facilities… it happened under their watch? Why not get rid of the PSU BOT… it happened under their watch? Why not get rid of the governor of PA… it happened under his watch? Why not get rid of the POTUS… it happened under his watch? Why not get rid of the head of the TSM… EVERY victim happened under their watch?

 

[pandaczar12]

Spanier lists Lubert as being on the Southeast Region Board of TSM, which isn't the Board that ran TSM. He also noted that his tenure ended in 2008, and not necessarily on that board during the investigation. Lubert clearly had left that board before Sandusky resigned from the TSM board.

It is fodder for message boards, but not relevant.

Spanier's complaint is nearly as long as his first one was, which raised Judge Eby's ire.

So he got out JUST before the crap (shout out to pnny) hit the fan. Coincidence, or did he have some sort of insider knowledge about the coming storm? As an unbiased observer, in my opinion it makes him look guilty.

 

[moofafoo]

So he got out JUST before the crap (shout out to pnny) hit the fan. Coincidence, or did he have some sort of insider knowledge about the coming storm? As an unbiased observer, in my opinion it makes him look guilty.

Lubert was pulling stings (or puppet wires) for all sorts of shit.

Think it was coincidence BO'B went to Texas? That the crook before Barron had Texas ties? That he "move on" slogan and PR firm was Texas based? Lubert is a filthy turd that no amount of polishing will make him shine. All we have on the BoT are a bunch of "rectum wreckers", and it's Alumni rectum they are focused on.

 

[BobPSU92]

I wonder how many different unique DNA samples you could find on his right index finger.

 

[Stufftodo]

So he got out JUST before the crap (shout out to pnny) hit the fan. Coincidence, or did he have some sort of insider knowledge about the coming storm? As an unbiased observer, in my opinion it makes him look guilty.

The "crap" hit the fan a long time ago. There will be no "moving on" until the criminal trials are resolved.

Despite the fact that a few posters have raised it, I mentioned neither "the alumni," nor Paterno, nor Lubert, in relation to the Board of Trustees. I did quote, Spanier's filing. It you don't like what he filed, complain to his attorney.

Now, if you want me to, I will say, regarding Paterno, that I feel complied fully with the law in reporting. At this point, I think that he testified honestly before the grand jury. I also disapproved of the way he was terminated.

To answer Nellie's legitimate query:

The judge complained about the length and the relevance of Spanier's first complaint, comparing it to a James Patterson novel. Bringing in Lubert, apparently because he is now the chair, with items of questionable relevance, i.e. not being on the board actually running TSM (that was the one Sandusky served on) and noting that Lubert's involvement with TSM, at a lower level, ended before the criminal investigation began, is not helpful to Spanier. It also added to the length.

For some, the definition of insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting different results.

 

[lionlurker]

We just want to know where you came from all of a sudden. You didn't come here without a motive or an agenda, particularly given the recent turn of events.

One might guess that Ira sent you here, if we believed that such actions were even remotely possible.

 

[sarasotan]

FWIW, I have read that Ira served as Treasurer at TSM at some point in his murky past. Not saying he was or wasn't. It could have been back before Al Gore invented the Internet.

Is there a list of all TSM officers since it began? If not why not...