Opinions, what's the #1 thing an OC brings to a staff
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Got the match up they expected.....exactly what I said. This was evident to anyone who watched OSU all year. Did very little 5 and 6 DB sets all year. No DL pressure thanks to the best OL talent in the nation also gave Jones the ability to survey the field.
Looking forward to Texas winning the NC, since it isn't talent but scheming genius that wins. Sarks just designs circles around other coaches........LOL....
Off the meds again?
If he makes a mark, he's gone in one.....two if he waits for the HC job of his dreams.
If you don’t think the second play was designed to get Smith on a backer I’m not sure what to tell you.
The point is that it doesn't take a genius to get that match up when OSU has kept LBs on the field instead of DBs all year. To deny that Bama talent all over the field wasn't the dominant reason for the victory is silly.
Oh it was but that’s not what Buschwood said. He said the rec were open because design “not a Individuals beating individuals”
That was a prime example of an individual beating an individual. In theory the play should be covered. They cover it in the pros every Sunday.
It’s not about the scheme it’s about Bushwood contradicting himself
Exactly, this moron is such an irritating tool who knows nothing about high-level football but doesn't let that stop him from running his silly yap. I've said all over this thread that the play/formation design gave Bama hopeless mismatches that duhO$U clearly wasn't looking for (i.e., defensive breakdowns), but idiot-boy here says I never said that????
Huh ? You said it wasn’t about individual beating individuals? Now you say it is??
bwifan
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There is a guy named Dabo down south that seems to be doing pretty good, as well as Kirby Smart at GA that is doing well.
Probably, if he continues the success he's been having, he may well get HC offers - that's the nature of the beast, so what's your point?
The #1 thing the OC must bring is the ability to listen to the people on this board. If he does that..he is gold!
Exactly, Saban and Sarkisian schooled Day and the OSU defensive coordinator with motion and scheme which enabled Devonta Smith to amass over 200 yards and 3 TDs in the first half. OSU had no answer to putting him in motion to stretch the field horizontally and then got burned when Bama matched hm up one on one with a safety who was hopelessly overmatched for a vertical TD. Said to my wife half way through the second quarter, gee do you think someone ought to tell OSU that Smith won the Heisman for a reason and that maybe they ought to double him and try to take him out of the game and take your chances with the other Bama players besting you? I can only imagine the number of posters on here who would be calling for Franklin to be fired if he coached like Day did in that game.
Not just the one where they put a Safety on an Island (Jones went to that throw immediately upon seeing it - Smith was like 5 yards behind that Safety a moment after the play was snapped), but they also motioned Smith into the slot and duhO$U attempted to match-up a LB on him, #32 Borland!!! And you have idiot, know-nothings on this board that claim this is the match-up the duhO$U DC wanted, and not a clear on-field defensive breakdown/blunder???
Aka what I like to call the meerkat offense. The players rely on the sideline to figure out what to do instead of having a QB that can fully run the offense without assistance. Top programs do this at times, but not to the extent we do. QBs at Bama, OSU, OU, Clemson just seem to go out and play confidently and fast with much more consistency. This is a problem we've had for a long time, including when JoMo was around. I'm not sure if it's a player skill issue, coaching philosophy, or both. I suspect it's a little bit of both.
I mean, you’re getting really nit picky. Of course at its core the play was successful because an individual beat another individual—that’s sports , in general, at its core.
Alabama designed that play to make a fast individual match up with a slow one. That’s scheming, recognizing tendencies and putting them in that position. They designed that into existence and Borland had 0 chance of being successful there.
If Smith got the ball, made three guys miss and carried another into the end zone with him sure, that’s an outstanding individual effort and isn’t being successful due to scheme—but that’s not what happened.
You’re missing the point. I was responding to Bushwood, that’s all. Bushwood said individual match up had nothing to do with the play. You and I agree it had a lot to do with the play. I can’t figure the cart and horse in that play. When I saw it live I wondered if Alabama noticed OSU put the MLBer on #3, now did Alabama decide to put him inside to take advantage of that? Or did OSU notice that a RB was always the 3 and OSU felt the MLBer could run with him?
Go look at my posts throughout this thread (including my OP) - it's what I've stated repeatedly.... Bama's OC's plays/schemes consistently beat duhO$U's DC's schemes (in an embarrassing fashion throughout the 1H). Suggesting that these match-ups were the ones duhO$U's DC was "looking for" is silly as anyone with decent knowledge of football understands - those matchups were caused by duhO$U's on-field defenders getting confused due to the alignment, motion, etc... duhO$U's DC would never - as in never ever - want Tuf Borland (a LB #32) on Devonta Smith. Ditto a Safety get isolated against Smith! The fact that these types of breakdowns happened repeatedly in the 1H demonstrates how thoroughly confused duhO$U's defense was.
bwifan
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Exactly ... even better he was a multiple position coach under Saban learns and makes him even better all around coach when he became OC and HC
Don't believe Swinney ever worked for Saban. Swinney was hired at Bama in 1993 by Gene Stallings and left in 2003 when he was hired at Clemson as an Assistant Coach (WR). So he worked for Stallings, DuBose and Franchione at Bama, but left for Clemson 4 years before Saban was hired.
There's also zero chance that duhO$U's DC ever wanted a Safety, let alone Tuf Borland, isolated on Devonta Smith. These are clear defensive breakdowns due to uncertainty as to what to do due to shifts, motion, etc... duhO$U's defense suffered repeated breakdowns and failures to make the proper adjustments to Bama's shifts, alignments and motion. One of the CBs on the field (actually duhO$U's best CB on the field) should have been matched against Smith.... - posters who don't recognize these situations as clear defensive breakdowns (i.e., they believe these are the coverages that duhO$U's DC wanted in that situation???) are just clueless.
Yeah the back on that play just stood around and covered no one like he was playing zone....or was spying on Fields. A major screw up by him or d design. Can’t blame the LB for trailing the Heisman winner down the field. Actually was impressed he stayed as close as he did.
Okay, so you are stupid. I asked" how many of Saban's COORDINATORS have won a NC. You replied Dabo. Do you want to again claim that is a correct answer or do you want to try to make it look like you knew you were wrong in the first place?
Not blaming Borland - not sure who on duhO$U's defense interfaces with the side and makes the call, but the failure resulted from duhO$U not identifying that Devonta Smith had moved to the slot after Bama motioned and shifted. The duhO$U defense should have made pre-snap adjustments in response to the shifts, but instead froze like a deer in the headlights after the shifts (i.e., duhO$U's defense made no adjustments whatsoever after the Bama motion and shifts - this is what clued Jones in to immediately go to Smith right of the LOS. Jones was like a kid in the candy store when he saw Borland was going to attempt to cover Smith... Jones never looked anywhere else and immediately went to Smith who was running 5 yards behind Borland by himself - TD!).
Watch again from behind at the 5:50 mark. A DB lines up straight up on Smith eight yards off the LoS. When they snap the ball, the DB backpedals five yards, drifts to the his right, and then just stops. Ends up no one within ten yards of him. Looks like he was playing zone coverage or expected deep help. But even if he got deep help he should still have covered Smith.
The linebacker came from inside to try to cover. No way was he going to cover that much distance and do the job. No way was that the assigned coverage. Blown coverage somehow.
i think #24 for OSU their LC (or maybe hes a cover C, IDK) is out of position. I think OSU was playing cover 3 , 3 deep zones. 24 jumped the out to his side, he should probably have stayed deep. If he does, Alabama throws the ball right to him. I think the FS for OSU is way way too deep, heck at the snap he aligns 18 yds deep and drives deeper. Alabama merely throws the ball over the LBer and way in front of the FS. Heck if the FS plays it better, he picks it off. I think OSU might have told the MLBer in this coverage to just run with Smith and maybe become an extra guy on him. WE may never know without the huddle call.
Just rewatched it (it's played multiple times starting at the 5:25 mark of the embedded vid). A CB is lined up deep straight off Smith, who is in the slot on left-side of LOS. However, if you watch at the snap, you will see that the CB releases Smith immediately at LOS because Smith runs a straight "flag" pattern directly off the LOS - duhO$U's defense is clearly in a "match-up zone" coverage - a clear defensive breakdown and call in coverage, had zero chance of working as Jones clearly understood as soon as the ball was snapped and Smith went into his pattern and Borland immediately assumed responsibility for the inside flag pattern. It's pretty clear from the reactions of the duhO$U defense that they had absurdly called a match-up zone where Smith would have been covered by the CB lined up deep if he had run a straight fly, skinny post or skinny flag (i.e., to the left flag), but was insanely Borland's responsibility if he ran a full post or flag (i.e., toward right back flag of EZ). Bama must have seen something that led them to look for this inane defensive breakdown and Jones goes immediately to Smith exclusively as soon as he sees Borland jump on the flag route (and CB drift backward at the snap). Whoever made the defensive call blundered and was responsible for the defensive breakdown as Herbie immediately comments upon after the play as the play is run on replay - Borland had the "slot receiver" on that flag route, but given it was Smith he had zero chance of succeeding (i.e., defensive breakdown via an absurd defensive call) which is exactly what Herbie says on his breakdown of the play.
As stated before, doughnuts is the correct answer. Sorry for your loss. 🤣
