I often wonder how the NCAA and B1G would rule if a high-profile transferee selected PSU especially if it was a position of need.
Perhaps it's the cynic in me, but I think the "old rules" would be applied to PSU.
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Perhaps it's the cynic in me, but I think the "old rules" would be applied to PSU.
Can’t argue any of that. Still, it seems to me a motivating factor of this shift to more permissive transfer enrovornment is in part the PR battle the NCAA is waging over the perception of how it treats revenue athletes relative to coaches, university administrators, Bowl game heads, etc.. The Ole Miss players’ lawyer (same guy Fields has hired iirc) basically won on it being “unfair” the coaches could move on but the athletes couldn’t. Right or wrong, the NCAA doesn’t want to fight many of these cases because it only shines a spotlight on Bowl execs making $1M, coaches making $9M in a year (talking explicitly about my guy, to be clear), strength coaches making $1M+, etc. ... and all of them being able to move freely.
Justin Fields is at present not a good QB. He might be a great athlete at the college level, but he really hasn’t proven anything. The kid wants a guaranteed starting position without having to compete for a job, but he also wants to play big time football. Those two notions are mutually exclusive. Maybe he turns out to be a great college player, but I have my doubts it will be as a QB.
I think the NCAA showed its hand when it gave a mass waiver to all seven or eight of those Ole Miss guys regardless of where they landed. It’s not going to restrict movement the way it used to - its a bad PR look for them these days (post-OBannon lawsuit).
Spotlight is already on the NCAA and we'll know in 2-4 months what it exposes.
I think one thing the sit out rule prevents is complete free agency. Without it recruiting will never end.
If players become Free Agents why recruit high school players at all? just pull in 20-25 upper-class players each year to replace the number of players leaving. If you can do it for a QB, do it for every position. And pay the best ones with great perks (clothes, cars, apartments) and cash money if necessary. I see no issues at all.
Not suggesting that anyone should feel sorry for the schools but...a school is limited to 85 scholarships. When they offer, let's say a QB, they stop recruiting other QB's. They spend a year or two cultivating that kids talents. If that player can leave without sitting out a year, and it becomes an epidemic, in theory you need to have 7-8 QB's on the roster to account for the 2-3 you will lose each year. As is always the case, these types of "rules changes" have other unintended consequences.
windsor...the guy that can't stay onside or get his act together to play in a bowl game he was sorely needed in.
The guy who finished SECOND in sacks in the B1G, you mean?
Yeah, they aren’t mutually exclusive. I hope he pulls his head out of his ass and follows up with an even more productive campaign because we’re going to need him.
Possible. I've heard as little as four months, which would put the decision in mid-February. But it's pretty clear from O'Bannon that Judge Wilken is scared of her own shadow, so she may just remain in hibernation until after the tournament.
I just have 1 question. Were any of the players or recruits at MD allowed to transfer without having to sit out?
It seems to me that their situation was about 100x worse than Shea's at Ole Miss or Justin's at GA.
while I think it is good for the BIG competition to have Fields transfer to tOSU, the waiver request does not seem to sit on any reasonable justification. IF this incident is the seminal event, and was so bad as to be traumatic, then he should have started the transfer process immediately. this looks a lot like a competitive reason for transfer.
i felt the NCAA should not have approved the Patterson waiver either, but that did have a modicum of logic.
if there is to be a sit a year system then waivers need to be extremely rare if ever given (i.e. a player gets cancer and cannot play a couple years then comes back = that feels justified). you cannot have a waiver system create "free agency". i am of the opinion that every team should get 25 scholarships a year and they are 4 year commitments or until graduation, whichever comes first - even if the player cannot play. then each team should get to have 100 players on scholarship. if you run a player off the team then you lost his scholarship. i am old school on this and do not want to see CFB turn into the NFL.
In a nutshell, then, allow the SEC (especially Alabama) model to apply to all conferences and schools. In some respects I might be supportive of that as it would, theoretically, level the playing field.
I remember going to visit a friend playing at Rutgers in the early 90s. We went by the football field and there was their shiny new former high school all American QB transfer from Miami, Bryan Fortay. He was out there with a couple of guys throwing some passes. First pass was a 15 yard out that fluttered and fell about 3 yards short of the receiver. My friend looked at me and gave a little eyebrow raise. I made some comment and he told me to just keep watching. His next 5 or so passes did the exact same thing. I asked my friend about it and he said, “That’s it. He’s got no arm.”
Point being, high school hype is great. It means nothing in college until you do it on the college football field. We’ll see what this kid becomes, if anything, at the college level.
Point being, high school hype is great. It means nothing in college until you do it on the college football field. We’ll see what this kid becomes, if anything, at the college level.
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Doesn't say much for the atmosphere at Georgia, but they'll get a top 5 recruiting class anyway. It does say, " i don't think your good enough" to the OSU backups.
Reminiscent of the Jeff George days.
Reminiscent of the Jeff George days.
If common sense prevailed.. there would be no waiver granted. GA did everything right to ensure they weren't cultivating a racially tense environment, the bball player who made the comment was immediately kicked off the team. If the ncaa grants this waiver they are obstensively agreeing that GA has a campus wide issue. Could serve as basis for future lawsuits from disgruntled athletes. Assuming of course there really isn't a problem here and that JFields is really just using this as an excuse to solve a football problem..
Yes, even tho any QB named Tate gives me the shivers.
Bingo.
The malleable "justifications" that come from fan bases are just so damn amusing.
FWIW: wrt Maryland
TTBOMK, Maryland granted releases to all of the incoming recruiting class (in the Durkin fallout). The kids who woulda' been incoming freshmen for 2018.
As far as I know, only one kid opted out (a kid who decided to enroll at Rutgers). After initially being ruled as subject to the "one-year sit out" rule by the NCAA, he petitioned for immediate eligibility at RU since he had yet to play at Maryland.... and, IIRC, was eligible to play last year at RU.
But that DID NOT apply to current members of the Maryland program.
TTBOMK none of those guys were granted permission for free transfers from either UMd or the "The Kids Come First" NCAA.
If any of Maryland's desirable players HAD decided to transfer to Alabama / Michigan / OSU etc? (assuming they would have wanted/need them).
Who knows what woulda' happened vav eligibility?
(LOL, who are we kidding... we all know)
Thanks, I didn’t even know that about their recruiting class. LOL
I think it’s Honky, Hunkie is a different slur all together.
But yea that is the precedent that seems to getting set.
So basically all any player needs to do is arrange for a “fan” to shout something racially charged at them in order to obtain free agent status? Sounds like something a bagman could arrange.
He will meet him before the ball is even snapped.
Assuming Haskins is leaving, OSU was looking for a QB transfer regardless. They have Martell who has never started. Baldwin who will be a redshirt freshman next year and sat out this season recovering from a torn ACL he suffered in his high school championship. They had a 4 star commit coming in but would still want a more experienced back up. When the qb decommitted becasue of the Fields rumors, they definitely needed a transfer qb, Fields or another.
The rule might have been put in to bring some stability to the rosters. I'm sure most coaches would like the rule, especially those who recruit well. The irony here is that Ohio State recruits with the best of them and still wants to benefit from transfers. If Martell transfers, does he have to sit a tear?
I haven't heard one "qualified" individual, either press or football insider say that they don't think this waiver will be granted. It's going to happen. He'll need to compete for a job at OSU, he won't be guaranteed anything. It will work out about as poorly as all of the other similar situations. If Ohio State wants him, they can have him.
Why not do what everybody else does, recruit one. So if Franklin loses a position recruit in recruiting should he make ( calls ) to disgruntled backup from other teams.
Back in my hs playing days, I was not above a full "follow-thru" when I jumped offside, sometimes including a jostle of the qb
Who cares about OSU, we have are own problems right here. We have an offense that is stagnant, a st that’s stinks an a offensive line that’s going backwards. We have plenty of problems right here
I can't wait to see him get introduced to what could have been his defensive teammates. I wish Givens and Miller were back for another year.
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