Those who engage in this nonsense, especially the Pennlive tripe need to review the Stories About Paterno above.
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The Paterno 3 did indeed coverup for Sandusky. A coverup is not a crime, in and of itself. The jury found there was not a conspiracy. A coverup and a conspiracy are two different things.
§ 903. Criminal conspiracy.
(a) Definition of conspiracy.--A person is guilty of conspiracy with another person or persons to commit a crime if with the intent of promoting or facilitating its commission he:
(1) agrees with such other person or persons that they or one or more of them will engage in conduct which constitutes such crime or an attempt or solicitation to commit such crime; or
(2) agrees to aid such other person or persons in the planning or commission of such crime or of an attempt or solicitation to commit such crime."
Coverup, which is not a legal term, is:
"1. an attempt to prevent people's discovering the truth about a serious mistake or crime."
Spanier, not telling the BOT fully about the 2001 incident, covered up the Paterno 3 lack of action regarding Sandusky. It was not a crime to do so.
"Curley and Schultz, in lengthy colloquies with current case prosecutors Laura Ditka and Patrick Schulte, acknowledged receiving McQueary's report and interfering with or preventing its transmission to police and child welfare officials.
They conceded a legal duty to do that and as a result of that inaction, the men admitted, prosecutors could show Sandusky continued to have access to boys and, in fact, abused another boy in Penn State's football facilities before his eventual arrest in 2011."
Paterno's failure here is not one of law, but of morals and ethics, and given his stature as the face of Penn State, his culpability is indeed quite serious. The police were aware of an incident involving Sandusky as far back as 1998, but the decision to not press charges was the now-dead DA's, not theirs. And we'll never know why that DA did not pursue the case further. But that's not the point.
Tell me: Do you really believe Joe Paterno was not aware of that accusation, especially considering Sandusky had been his top lieutenant for 30 years to that point and then suddenly "retired" a year later even though he was only 55 years old? So Paterno knew about Sandusky's tendencies at least that far back, then four years later McQueary tells him he had just witnessed Sandusky molesting a child, and all you feel Paterno has to do is tell Curley? Paterno then continues to allow Sandusky to bring children to practices as late as 2007, but Paterno is not supposed to wonder what happened to that allegation of child molestation? Paterno is supposed to look the other way even though Sandusky is still hosting overnight camps at branch campuses as late as 2009? If so, why?
What a "stupid" post like this one demonstrates is the outsized role Paterno always felt he had at Penn State. It illustrates his willingness to protect the football program and his legacy even in the face of policies made by people at the university with ostensibly more authority—people who bent to his will when he wished to exert it (e.g. the firing of Vicky Triponey). It doesn't make him Stalin or Hitler or Manson, but it also doesn't make him just some adjunct English professor who's supposed to tell his department chair about an unruly student. And, sorry, every Penn Stater I know wore that "we're not like other big programs because we don't get into trouble" bit as a badge of honor. But the ones with half a brain now see this for what it is—for the abject moral failure on the part of pretty much everybody at Penn State, Paterno included.
Bottom line: The insular culture Paterno created—even as he sold the rest of the world on the notion that Penn State always did the right thing—is precisely why his moral complicity here matters. Whether Paterno deliberately looked the other way or did so out of indifference is not the issue. The fact that he knew about Jerry Sandusky and did not see he was stopped from preying on additional victims is. And, yes, it's enough to soil his legacy forever.
INTERVIEW: JOSEPH V. PATERNO
The date is 10/24/11; time 12:17 p.m., interview of coach Joseph Vincent Paterno, 830 North McKee Street, State College, PA. Scott Paterno is here representing his father. Randy Feathers is also present.
SASSANO: Coach are you aware that this statement is being taped and do you give me permission to tape this statement?
J. PATERNO: Yes.
SASSANO: Did Mike McQueary, some years ago, come to you, report to you an incident that he observed in the shower between Jerry Sandusky and another individual most likely a young boy.
J. PATERNO: Yes he did.
SASSANO: Okay, and can you tell me what Mike McQueary told you please.
J. PATERNO: Mike McQueary came and said he was in the shower and that Jerry Sandusky was in the shower with another person, a younger, how young I don’t know and Mike never mentioned it, that there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on.
Paterno just described Indecent Assault, which in fact Sandusky was found guilty of.
It is impossible for a grown man to be in a shower with a child and engage in “inappropriate sexual activity” and “touching of privates” and not have it be a crime. Period. End of story.
“It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism." Paterno Family Statement July 2012.
I would argue in today's news cycle that simply isn't true. Drew Allar was a 7-year-old when the Sandusky trial happened. His parents would have been aware, but he likely is not. Time moves very fast especially when you are looking at recruiting kids that were born now in 2006.And what some of you do not understand or care not to understand is the immense job Franklin has had to sell this place to recruits. The first thought that comes to people’s minds regarding PSU is Sandusky and it will continue to be Sandusky for decades. We are blessed to be where we are now with the football program and university overall considering this all went down relatively recently. Paterno’s name is complete dirt outside of PSU. His legacy is Sandusky, right or wrong.
Paterno just described Indecent Assault, which in fact Sandusky was found guilty of.
It is impossible for a grown man to be in a shower with a child and engage in “inappropriate sexual activity” and “touching of privates” and not have it be a crime. Period. End of story.
“It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism." Paterno Family Statement July 2012.
However, a licensed PhD psychologist di report to PSU that Sandusky was a likely pedophile and that fact that Joe DID know about it (which he denied later) shows he was aware of the pattern and should have acted in 2001. Charges weren't made because the locally elected DA did not want to take on a local legend with just one incident. Doesn't mean that nothing happened or that Joe and PSU could just dismiss it particularly in light of the Chambers report.Nole,
A few comments regarding 1998 and the overall McQuery episode.
The criticism regarding 1998 and Joe Paterno whether he knew about it or not is a moot point and doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. It was investigated, and charges weren’t made.
But he knew about it.Paterno had nothing to do with that.
I'll stipulate that.As for Sandusky’s retirement, his defenses weren‘t very good or under preformed from 1994-1999. With Ganter turning down the MSU job in 1994, the writing was on the wall that Sandusky was not Paterno’s successor. Plus, Sandusky was getting more and more involved with the 2nd Mile at the time.
That's true. McQueary was in shock when he saw Dranov with his Dad the night of.In regards to the McQueary episode, Dr Dranov is on the record that what McQueary reported to him was NOT a reportable offense. (Dranov is a mandated reporter).
Any sexual activity between a child and an adult is by definition is illegal.PATERNO: Mike McQueary came and said he was in the shower and that Jerry Sandusky was in the shower with another person, a younger, how young I don’t know and Mike never mentioned it, that there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on.
I read this that McQueary did not describe there was illegal sexual activity going on to Paterno. Not sure where you got that Paterno described a sexual assault.
Yes, as he was in shock when he spoke to Dranov and only Paterno could protect him from institutional retribution as Sandusky was a local legend and MM was just a GA who needed a job. It wasn't just WHAT McQueary saw but more importantly WHO he saw doing it. Some random guy off the street and I'm sure MM would have acted differently.Does it make sense that McQueary watered down the story to his dad and Dr Dranov then told the PSU folks a much more graphic story, or, was the story told to PSU officials the same as the one he told Dranov and his Dad? I.e some thing that is kind of creepy but lacking any details.
He was not Victim 2. Plus neither side called that guy to trial for Sandusky.Also, the boy in the shower had an opportunity to tell his story in the Spanier trial but he “did not recall”.
No, Paterno by his own testimony was told more than Dranov or McQueary. He could have and should have done more. Kids paid for that inaction.Paterno was a hearsay witness in all this, and his involvement was no more than Dranov or McQueary’s dad.
I don't believe that for a minute. Players come to PSU for the same reason they come to other schools. They come for:And what some of you do not understand or care not to understand is the immense job Franklin has had to sell this place to recruits. The first thought that comes to people’s minds regarding PSU is Sandusky and it will continue to be Sandusky for decades. We are blessed to be where we are now with the football program and university overall considering this all went down relatively recently. Paterno’s name is complete dirt outside of PSU. His legacy is Sandusky, right or wrong.
And it shows Joe's guilt and blameNo, that is the end of your story.
Joe participated in the decision NOT to report Sandusky. He shares the blame.Paterno brought it to the attention of head of campus police and athletic director.
But he was told about it.He did not witness it himself.
Red herring. Nobody asked him to go "Charles Bronson". Just report it to police.He can't decide to go Charles Bronson on Sandusky, like the ignorant masses expect in their fantasy.
You can blame McQueary if you want but he went to Joe for top cover which he got till Joe was fired. Joe had more power than a GA and instead chose to protect the program instead of the child. The real reason you blame MM was because his telling Joe ended up taking him down later.Your problem should be with a 28 year old, grown ass man not calling cops if he witnessed something directly. Instead, McQueary gets off scott free with millions in settlement and people like you blame Joe for not calling police directly on someone's else account day or more later. Ridiculous.
Who at UM is defending Bo?How about telling us your thoughts on Bo scandal with Dr Anderson. UM in CFP again, Bo statue still up and no one cares. Tell us his accountability. Bo's son came forth and testified that Bo knew that Anderson raped him. Come back now, ya hear.
Myers was not Victim 2 in much the same way that Bruce Jenner is not a man.He was not Victim 2. Plus neither side called that guy to trial for Sandusky.
That neither Sandusky’s defense team used him nor did the Prosecution is tellingMyers was not Victim 2 in much the same way that Bruce Jenner is not a man.
OK.I don't believe that for a minute. Players come to PSU for the same reason they come to other schools. They come for:
I seriously doubt that 18 year old kids are good with all of those things but stay away because of the Sandusky news back when they were 6 years old. The more recent Ohio State sex abuse scandals don't seem to be hurting OSU's recruiting.
- Coaches who can get them on track for the NFL
- The opportunity to play in front of one of the best fan bases in the country
- The ability to take advantage of great facilities
- NIL money
- The chance to compete and win at the highest level
Is your position that Victim 2's identity really is "known only to God"? And that this Victim 2 just decided to pass on free millions that Penn State was handing out to Sandusky "victims"? And that Myers' and Jerry's claims that Myers was in fact Victim 2 are all just made up? Sounds reasonable!That neither Sandusky’s defense team used him nor did the Prosecution is telling
Is your position that Victim 2's identity really is "known only to God"? And that this Victim 2 just decided to pass on free millions that Penn State was handing out to Sandusky "victims"? And that Myers' and Jerry's claims that Myers was in fact Victim 2 are all just made up? Sounds reasonable!
Good grief.This hearsay going back 15-20 years without a report is, in as much, a coverup. The first thing that should have been done should have been Joe telling McQueary "give me a report of what you witnessed." Then Joe should have forwarded his own report, along with McQueary's to the AD, who then should have forwarded a complete investigation report to the President of PSU. None of that happened.
Imagine an alleged sexual assault occurred in the football locker room (shower) and not a single piece of paper was forwarded in order to document what occurred.
I do not believe any of them in the chain of command wanted a report which makes the incident look like a coverup. They just wanted it to go away. Then 15-20 years later everyone is saying, "I told him, and "then I called and told him, and they I notified him."
Put it on paper immediately and "cover your ass." Everyone on this board is trying to make it looked like PSU got screwed. Well, if there were a paper trail, that would not have been the case.
A sexual assault case with No Report: "Good Grief".......Good grief.
A sexual assault case with No Report: "Good Grief".......
you are actually incorrect. The NCAA, after years of research initiated due to the PSU issue, is exactly what Jor Paterno did: report it to his boss (AD Curley) and someone outside of his reporting verticle (Schultz). After that, get out of the way and let them do their jobs. If the coach doesn't get out of the way, it will look like he/she tampered with the case.This hearsay going back 15-20 years without a report is, in as much, a coverup. The first thing that should have been done should have been Joe telling McQueary "give me a report of what you witnessed." Then Joe should have forwarded his own report, along with McQueary's to the AD, who then should have forwarded a complete investigation report to the President of PSU. None of that happened.
Imagine an alleged sexual assault occurred in the football locker room (shower) and not a single piece of paper was forwarded in order to document what occurred.
I do not believe any of them in the chain of command wanted a report which makes the incident look like a coverup. They just wanted it to go away. Then 15-20 years later everyone is saying, "I told him, and "then I called and told him, and they I notified him."
Put it on paper immediately and "cover your ass." Everyone on this board is trying to make it looked like PSU got screwed. Well, if there were a paper trail, that would not have been the case.
If you accept "hearsay" 15 years later regarding a sexual assault. Then you don't belong conducting any type of investigation if you believe all the bull shit all the people will say to protect this ass/s/And Joe was found to have done exactly as he should have.
Good grief to whatever ass wind you're trying to shoot.
If you accept "hearsay" 15 years later regarding a sexual assault. Then you don't belong conducting any type of investigation if you believe all the bull shit all the people will say to protect this ass/s/
I hope no investigative agency would have to conduct a sexual assault case on a close friend of relative of yours and find out "nothing was done, and no report filed 15-20 years prior."
As long as its not someone you know, you don't give a rats ass. Just don't blame Joe!
That's why PSU paid out Millions upon Millions since they did everything right and No One was found at fault.
That clown has some weird fixation with Paterno - he's like Pavlov's dog only dumber when you mention Paterno he crawls out of his hole - very strange.God you're stupid.
McQuaery was a witness and should have made out a report of what he did and didn't see. Bottom line, they Did Not want anything put on paper. Shouldn't the SC Police have interviewed McQuaery when this incident occurred 20-25 years ago?you are actually incorrect. The NCAA, after years of research initiated due to the PSU issue, is exactly what Jor Paterno did: report it to his boss (AD Curley) and someone outside of his reporting verticle (Schultz). After that, get out of the way and let them do their jobs. If the coach doesn't get out of the way, it will look like he/she tampered with the case.
Joe was not a witness. Sandusky was not an employee. Joe did exactly as he should have done in 2011 or 2023.
Joe Paterno is and always will be a legend! His reputation is that of a leader of men.And what some of you do not understand or care not to understand is the immense job Franklin has had to sell this place to recruits. The first thought that comes to people’s minds regarding PSU is Sandusky and it will continue to be Sandusky for decades. We are blessed to be where we are now with the football program and university overall considering this all went down relatively recently. Paterno’s name is complete dirt outside of PSU. His legacy is Sandusky, right or wrong.
McQuaery was a witness and should have made out a report of what he did and didn't see. Bottom line, they Did Not want anything put on paper. Shouldn't the SC Police have interviewed McQuaery when this incident occurred 20-25 years ago?
PSU got hammered because they buried their heads in the sand when this incident initially occurred.
Don't ever go into police work, you would be lost!
Yes sir. People also forget that Joe went to law school. He knew exactly what he was required to do by law, which he did. But, you can’t say that out loud amongst all the radical leftist anti-Joe Paterno people.you are actually incorrect. The NCAA, after years of research initiated due to the PSU issue, is exactly what Jor Paterno did: report it to his boss (AD Curley) and someone outside of his reporting verticle (Schultz). After that, get out of the way and let them do their jobs. If the coach doesn't get out of the way, it will look like he/she tampered with the case.
Joe was not a witness. Sandusky was not an employee. Joe did exactly as he should have done in 2011 or 2023.
What's your point? Images look fine except for one that shows him sticking out his lower lip.OK.
Google Joe Paterno. Hit Images. Google Bo Schembeckler and hit images. Google Woody Hays and hit images.
See the difference?
I've said all along that the administrators failed miserably. Most organizations with more than 200 employees have whistleblower policies and I suspect Penn State does as well. The whistleblower can remain anonymous to the public but the complaint and response would be documented / memorialized. Then there would be no question about what McQueary said and what the reasoning was for how the university responded.If you accept "hearsay" 15 years later regarding a sexual assault. Then you don't belong conducting any type of investigation if you believe all the bull shit all the people will say to protect this ass/s/
I hope no investigative agency would have to conduct a sexual assault case on a close friend of relative of yours and find out "nothing was done, and no report filed 15-20 years prior."
As long as its not someone you know, you don't give a rats ass. Just don't blame Joe!
That's why PSU paid out Millions upon Millions since they did everything right and No One was found at fault.
when I did it, lots of photos of him and Jerry Sandusky plus photos of him and Al Pacino. Bo and Woody? Steely-eyed sideline photos and other pictures of them housing trophies.What's your point? Images look fine except for one that shows him sticking out his lower lip.
That's not what I got. Probably different search engines.when I did it, lots of photos of him and Jerry Sandusky plus photos of him and Al Pacino. Bo and Woody? Steely-eyed sideline photos and other pictures of them housing trophies.
I agree. I think Curley and Schultz concluded that nothing could be done given a) the delay in the report from McQueary who didn't report it until the next day to Joe. C&S didn't hear anything for at least one more day. b) given that timeline, they couldn't find the kid and all physical evidence was gone c) TSM told them they had no records of what JS was doing and d) McQueary's recounting had no hard evidence and didn't match exactly what he told JoePa.I've said all along that the administrators failed miserably. Most organizations with more than 200 employees have whistleblower policies and I suspect Penn State does as well. The whistleblower can remain anonymous to the public but the complaint and response would be documented / memorialized. Then there would be no question about what McQueary said and what the reasoning was for how the university responded.
I do not think that Shultz, Curley, Spanier, or Paterno tried to cover things up to protect football. I don't even think that McQueary told them about sexual assault. PSU officials had similar testimony as Dad & Dranov. It's not credible that Dad and Dranov are telling the truth but PSU officials are lying.
But that doesn't excuse the administrators for failing to document the complaint. My guess is they did this outside the system because it was Jerry and MM's complaint didn't seem that serious. Who knows but no excuse for the poor administrative job.
Outside of PSU, Joe is considered to be an abject failure on the Sandusky topic. This is not debatable.Joe Paterno is and always will be a legend! His reputation is that of a leader of men.
Maybe in your head and in your living room it’s different. That’s your world, that’s your own problem.
Don't know who victim 2 is. It is not who the JoeBots claim or Sandusky would have used him in his defense.Is your position that Victim 2's identity really is "known only to God"? And that this Victim 2 just decided to pass on free millions that Penn State was handing out to Sandusky "victims"? And that Myers' and Jerry's claims that Myers was in fact Victim 2 are all just made up? Sounds reasonable!