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I agree. I think Curley and Schultz concluded that nothing could be done given a) the delay in the report from McQueary who didn't report it until the next day to Joe. C&S didn't hear anything for at least one more day. b) given that timeline, they couldn't find the kid and all physical evidence was gone c) TSM told them they had no records of what JS was doing and d) McQueary's recounting had no hard evidence and didn't match exactly what he told JoePa.
None of what you mention excuses PSU (CSS and Joe) from notifying police in 2001 of what MM saw.
Having said that, they should have reported it to some kind of law enforcement given the 1998 accusation and investigation.
1998 was NOT reported by PSU but rather by the victim's mother and Alycia Chambers.
Maybe they thought "here we go again, another baseless time-waster" or maybe they thought the police wouldn't be able to do anything either and let it go.
Clear indication they should have reported it. Second guess what "might" have been done is criminal considering they were dealing with child safety. Any moral leader would have reported it to police. However, Joe and Curley decided it was not a good idea.
Maybe they thought if this went public, it would be really bad for PSU.
That's exactly what they thought. It would be bad for PSU and THEM as the knew about 1998 and did NOTHING to mitigate it.
Regardless, they didn't do enough but they didn't break any laws.
Yes they did, so said a jury.
They were charged with several felonies and after being hounded for five years, pleaded guilty to low-level misdemeanors to make it stop (Curly, I know, was ill).
They plead guilty period.
The trial against Spanier was a joke.
Appeals courts all the way to the Supreme Court of the US said otherwise.
They brought 5 charges and got a low misdemeanor.
Still went to jail. ALL of them
The jury foreman said it was Friday afternoon and all of the jurors wanted to acquit but one.
No, Al Lord, a Joebot Alumni BOT member said that.
To appease her and get home on a Friday, they agreed to find him guilty of the lowest charge possible.
False. No proof of that.
But Joe did nothing wrong. Anyone who claims he did, is just making stuff up.
BS. He looked the other way and participated in the decision NOT to report Sandusky.
 
My god, the "next day" is never too late to report a crime like this. Many women that were sexual abused wait days or weeks before coming forward.
Irrelevant
Its not up to the PSU Administration to decide if a an alleged crime like this should be reported.
Yes it was and cost CSS jail time!
Feb. 9, 2001, Mike McQueary, a Grad Assist enters a PSY locker room and hears a "rhythmic slapping sounds" that he believes are related to sexual activity. He later says, under oath that he went to the Lasch about 9:30PM. He looked into the shower and saw a naked boy about 10 yo with his hands up against the wall along with Sandusky. Horrified, he assumed that he had just overheard the sounds of child sexual abuse.
No, as Joe confirmed in testimony he saw sexual molestation of a child by Sandusky
Police never interviewed McQueary until late "2010." No report, no police involvement until 9 years later. No wonder PSU got their asses handed to them.
Because CSS and Joe didn't report it to them. Cover up.
 
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you are actually incorrect. The NCAA, after years of research initiated due to the PSU issue, is exactly what Jor Paterno did: report it to his boss (AD Curley) and someone outside of his reporting verticle (Schultz). After that, get out of the way and let them do their jobs. If the coach doesn't get out of the way, it will look like he/she tampered with the case.
But Joe got back into it after he told Curley and participated in the decision not to report Sandusky.
Joe was not a witness. Sandusky was not an employee. Joe did exactly as he should have done in 2011 or 2023.
No he did not. And he was fired for that.
 
I've said all along that the administrators failed miserably.
Joe was part of that
Most organizations with more than 200 employees have whistleblower policies and I suspect Penn State does as well. The whistleblower can remain anonymous to the public but the complaint and response would be documented / memorialized. Then there would be no question about what McQueary said and what the reasoning was for how the university responded.
But they wanted to cover it up
I do not think that Shultz, Curley, Spanier, or Paterno tried to cover things up to protect football.
Seems they did
I don't even think that McQueary told them about sexual assault.
He said he did and the juried believed him.
PSU officials had similar testimony as Dad & Dranov. It's not credible that Dad and Dranov are telling the truth but PSU officials are lying.
Sure it is. Dranov and MM's dad had no reason to lie. CSS did.
But that doesn't excuse the administrators for failing to document the complaint. My guess is they did this outside the system because it was Jerry and MM's complaint didn't seem that serious. Who knows but no excuse for the poor administrative job.
It was criminal.
 
My god, the "next day" is never too late to report a crime like this. Many women that were sexual abused wait days or weeks before coming forward. Its not up to the PSU Administration to decide if a an alleged crime like this should be reported.

Feb. 9, 2001, Mike McQueary, a Grad Assist enters a PSY locker room and hears a "rhythmic slapping sounds" that he believes are related to sexual activity. He later says, under oath that he went to the Lasch about 9:30PM. He looked into the shower and saw a naked boy about 10 yo with his hands up against the wall along with Sandusky. Horrified, he assumed that he had just overheard the sounds of child sexual abuse.

Police never interviewed McQueary until late "2010." No report, no police involvement until 9 years later. No wonder PSU got their asses handed to them.

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Pennlive idiot alert.
 
My god, the "next day" is never too late to report a crime like this. Many women that were sexual abused wait days or weeks before coming forward. Its not up to the PSU Administration to decide if a an alleged crime like this should be reported.

Feb. 9, 2001, Mike McQueary, a Grad Assist enters a PSY locker room and hears a "rhythmic slapping sounds" that he believes are related to sexual activity. He later says, under oath that he went to the Lasch about 9:30PM. He looked into the shower and saw a naked boy about 10 yo with his hands up against the wall along with Sandusky. Horrified, he assumed that he had just overheard the sounds of child sexual abuse.

Police never interviewed McQueary until late "2010." No report, no police involvement until 9 years later. No wonder PSU got their asses handed to them.
You don’t have a victim and he was such a good witness he got the year wrong
 
And what some of you do not understand or care not to understand is the immense job Franklin has had to sell this place to recruits. The first thought that comes to people’s minds regarding PSU is Sandusky and it will continue to be Sandusky for decades. We are blessed to be where we are now with the football program and university overall considering this all went down relatively recently. Paterno’s name is complete dirt outside of PSU. His legacy is Sandusky, right or wrong.

I disagree with you on recruits. Kids today don't give a shit about this seismic (for Penn State) issue. In fact, I don't think the Sandusky scandal even registers on their radar screens when they weigh decisions on football programs.

As for Joe's legacy, I think it's complicated. As usual, the truth lies in a gray area between the extreme of media jackals and shrieking mobs who instantly turned his name to "complete dirt"...and the extreme of hard-core Penn State faithful who deified the guy and could not psychologically let go of the myth they bought into.

Personally, I loved Joe and thought of him as a good man and great coach who stayed on long after he should have ridden gloriously into the sunset, in the end becoming bigger than the institution that employed him. Usually such a thing ends in ugly fashion. In Joe's case, it ended horrifically...for him...for his scumbag Defensive Coordinator...and worst of all, for the kids who were victimized.
 
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As a retired Fed, you're 100% Imbecile. PSU got hammered because of the morons on the BoT and their petty, political agenda.

One thing Wolf did right was give Penn State the "fine" money back plus another 2 million.

Whose dog ass are you sniffing? A relative on the BoT? Whackoffnole?
JjinPhila? Or all of them?

You're a moron and troll.
Retired Fed?? Oh wow
 
McQueray told Joe nothing. Joe witnessed nothing. Joe could not go to LE because he was not a firsthand witness.

Even if Mike told Joe he saw a kid being corn borched, only Mike could go to police. The is lost on the Pennlive trolls and attention whores. Lost because they want it to be.

Mike's dad, Dranov, his wife and girlfriend all gave statements Mike never told them about any sex attack.

So go blow the bs out of your ass.
 
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McQueray told Joe nothing. Joe witnessed nothing. Joe could not go to LE because he was not a firsthand witness.

Even if Mike told Joe he saw a kid being corn borched, only Mike could go to police. The is lost on the Pennlive trolls and attention whores. Lost because they want it to be.

Mike's dad, Dranov, his wife and girlfriend all ga is statements Mike never told them about any sex attack.

So go blow the bs out of your ass.
Why do you constantly start these types of threads when it just gets you so worked up?
 
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None of what you mention excuses PSU (CSS and Joe) from notifying police in 2001 of what MM saw.

1998 was NOT reported by PSU but rather by the victim's mother and Alycia Chambers.

Clear indication they should have reported it. Second guess what "might" have been done is criminal considering they were dealing with child safety. Any moral leader would have reported it to police. However, Joe and Curley decided it was not a good idea.

That's exactly what they thought. It would be bad for PSU and THEM as the knew about 1998 and did NOTHING to mitigate it.

Yes they did, so said a jury.

They plead guilty period.

Appeals courts all the way to the Supreme Court of the US said otherwise.

Still went to jail. ALL of them

No, Al Lord, a Joebot Alumni BOT member said that.

False. No proof of that.

BS. He looked the other way and participated in the decision NOT to report Sandusky.
For all that happened and all that society has learned in years since, what Paterno did is exactly what college football coaches today are supposed to do.

By the way, of the incident of which MM told Paterno, Sandusky was found not guilty. Might be the only charge for which he was found not guilty.
 
For all that happened and all that society has learned in years since, what Paterno did is exactly what college football coaches today are supposed to do.
Joe participated in the decision not to report Sandusky. That is NOT what coaches should do.
By the way, of the incident of which MM told Paterno, Sandusky was found not guilty. Might be the only charge for which he was found not guilty.
Nope

VICTIM 2 2001 Shower

Count 7: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse
Verdict: Not guilty.

Count 8: Indecent assault
Verdict: Guilty.

Count 9: Unlawful contact with minors
Verdict: Guilty.

Count 10: Corruption of minors
Verdict: Guilty.

Count 11: Endangering welfare of children
Verdict: Guilty.
 
Whackoffnole Pennlive 🤡. Dope has been on ignore so long I can't remember exactly. The Pennlive bullshit is all he's good for.
Lots of fortunes were made on PSU settlements. $$$$$$ filtered down to many (lawyers, car dealers LOL, etc.). Perpetuating the propaganda keeps this dickhead employed. Even he doesn't believe the bullshit he writes.
 
You don’t have a victim and he was such a good witness he got the year wrong
Plus, he originally testified the incident happened the Friday before spring break when campus was practically empty.

February 9, 2001 was a normal Friday during the school year that just happened to be 60 degrees out. No doubt resulting in hundreds of scantily clad coeds everywhere. In addition to a concert at the BJC and a club hockey game in the building attached to Lasch.
 
Bottom line: A boy about 10 yo
Lots of fortunes were made on PSU settlements. $$$$$$ filtered down to many (lawyers, car dealers LOL, etc.). Perpetuating the propaganda keeps this dickhead employed. Even he doesn't believe the bullshit he writes.

A young boy, approximately 10 yo was assaulted in the locker room of the Lasch, but police were not notified, nor was McQueary interviewed for almost 10 years.

Who made the decision not to investigate the incident, was it Spanier, Curley, or Joe??? No wonder there was no paper trail of the alleged assault.

As a citizen you are not in a position to decide if an investigation into a serious criminal act should be conducted. That is the job of the police and DA.
 
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I've said all along that the administrators failed miserably. Most organizations with more than 200 employees have whistleblower policies and I suspect Penn State does as well. The whistleblower can remain anonymous to the public but the complaint and response would be documented / memorialized. Then there would be no question about what McQueary said and what the reasoning was for how the university responded.

I do not think that Shultz, Curley, Spanier, or Paterno tried to cover things up to protect football. I don't even think that McQueary told them about sexual assault. PSU officials had similar testimony as Dad & Dranov. It's not credible that Dad and Dranov are telling the truth but PSU officials are lying.

But that doesn't excuse the administrators for failing to document the complaint. My guess is they did this outside the system because it was Jerry and MM's complaint didn't seem that serious. Who knows but no excuse for the poor administrative job.
Plus, one thing most people do not know is that Gary Schultz voluntarily turned over to police the infamous emails that Freeh claimed damned Paterno and PSU. There weren’t recovered by some advanced computer hacking method as many people believe. No, Gary printed out the email and filed it away.
 
Bottom line: A boy about 10 yo


A young boy, approximately 10 yo was assaulted in the locker room of the Lasch, but police were not notified, nor was McQueary interviewed for almost 10 years.

Who made the decision not to investigate the incident, was it Spanier, Curley, or Joe??? No wonder there was no paper trail of the alleged assault.

As a citizen you are not in a position to decide if an investigation into a serious criminal act should be conducted. That is the job of the police and DA.
None of the above. Schultz' office was in charge of campus police. Remember, with the 1998 incident (when JS was still an assistant coach) Joe wasn't informed. Even with substantial resources being brought to bear in the investigation.

IIRC, Schultz called the second mile and they said that they had no records of what JS was doing. They called JS and he gave them the boys name and said "call him". Also, don't forget, MM never saw them doing anything. He looked at an image through the mirror and thought they were touching; standing very close to each other. When he moved to get a direct view, they were separated.

So Joe did nothing wrong. Curley did nothing wrong. Spanier did nothing wrong. Schultz should have reported it outside of the university, to the DA or whatever, but had very little evidence anything really happened. The only reason why there was a conviction is because the DA go several kids to say that JS molested them. MM's testimony by itself would probably not have resulted in a conviction.
 
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"10 Years Later"??????
If he didn't know the year, how could his recollection of anything else be considered correct? Specifically, what he told Joe and the rest. So we have a shaken MM telling his mom, dad, neighbor, JoePa, Curley, and Schultz. Apparently, MM was not able to convince a single one of them that something actionable occurred.

The charges against Curley, Schultz and Spanier all came down to what MM told them ten years earlier. The charges were based on his specific word choices. And if he didn't know the year, how could he possibly have known what words he used?
 
Bottom line: A boy about 10 yo


A young boy, approximately 10 yo was assaulted in the locker room of the Lasch, but police were not notified, nor was McQueary interviewed for almost 10 years.

Who made the decision not to investigate the incident, was it Spanier, Curley, or Joe??? No wonder there was no paper trail of the alleged assault.

As a citizen you are not in a position to decide if an investigation into a serious criminal act should be conducted. That is the job of the police and DA.
Bottom line: A boy about 10 yo


A young boy, approximately 10 yo was assaulted in the locker room of the Lasch, but police were not notified, nor was McQueary interviewed for almost 10 years.

Who made the decision not to investigate the incident, was it Spanier, Curley, or Joe??? No wonder there was no paper trail of the alleged assault.

As a citizen you are not in a position to decide if an investigation into a serious criminal act should be conducted. That is the job of the police and DA.
Curley admits he decided that no further investigation was necessary after he spoke to Jerry and Jerry offered him the boy’s phone number. He did however contact Jack Raykowitz, the licensed child psychologist who oversaw the 2nd mile. Dr. Raykowitz’ solution was for Jerry to wear swim trunks next time he showers with a boy.

Remember too that Curley and Schultz spoke to McQueary too after Joe had contacted them. Mike apparently did not give them any indication he witnessed a sexual assault. Paterno then followed up with McQueary months later who voiced no objection to how Curley and Schultz chose to handle the incident.

Curley has not gone on the record, but according to people close to him, he is haunted with regret that he never took up Jerry’s offer to contact the boy. The boy would have certainly exonerated Jerry as he would in the coming years have Jerry stand in for his father at his high school senior night football game, drive 10 hours to attend Jerry’s mothers funeral, volunteer as assistant coach at Jerry’s football camp, invite Jerry to his wedding, write letters to the editor of several newspapers defending Jerry when news of the investigation was first leaked, and provide a statement to Jerry’s attorney defending Jerry a couple days after the arrest.
 
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What evidence do you have at the start of any serious investigation? A photo of someone shooting an innocent bystander, a video of someone raping another individual? A video of someone committing arson?

This incident had more initial evidence than most crimes police investigate in years!
 
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Plus, he originally testified the incident happened the Friday before spring break when campus was practically empty.

February 9, 2001 was a normal Friday during the school year that just happened to be 60 degrees out. No doubt resulting in hundreds of scantily clad coeds everywhere. In addition to a concert at the BJC and a club hockey game in the building attached to Lasch.
This has been refuted pretty well before by @JmmyW.
 
Plus, one thing most people do not know is that Gary Schultz voluntarily turned over to police the infamous emails that Freeh claimed damned Paterno and PSU. There weren’t recovered by some advanced computer hacking method as many people believe. No, Gary printed out the email and filed it away.
No, his secretary did after being told she might be charged as well.
 
Curley admits he decided that no further investigation was necessary after he spoke to Jerry and Jerry offered him the boy’s phone number. He did however contact Jack Raykowitz, the licensed child psychologist who oversaw the 2nd mile. Dr. Raykowitz’ solution was for Jerry to wear swim trunks next time he showers with a boy.

Curley has not gone on the record, but according to people close to him, he is haunted with regret that he never took up Jerry’s offer to contact the boy. The boy would have certainly exonerated Jerry as he would in the coming years have Jerry stand in for his father at his high school senior night football game, drive 10 hours to attend Jerry’s mothers funeral, volunteer as assistant coach at Jerry’s football camp, invite Jerry to his wedding, write letters to the editor of several newspapers defending Jerry when news of the investigation was first leaked, and provide a statement to Jerry’s attorney defending Jerry a couple days after the arrest.
That's right. There really was no evidence to corroborate MM's story. And, MM never directly saw them doing anything. It was 1998 all over again: A lot of suspicion with no evidence.

Having said that, if the DA was called, maybe he/she could have connected the dots ten years earlier.
 
None of the above. Schultz' office was in charge of campus police.
Only administratively. Schultz was not a cop.
Remember, with the 1998 incident (when JS was still an assistant coach) Joe wasn't informed.
Joe WAS informed in 1998 as testified to by Curley at Spanier’s trial.

Even with substantial resources being brought to bear in the investigation.
IIRC, Schultz called the second mile and they said that they had no records of what JS was doing. They called JS and he gave them the boys name and said "call him". Also, don't forget, MM never saw them doing anything. He looked at an image through the mirror and thought they were touching; standing very close to each other. When he moved to get a direct view, they were separated.
MM told the OAG that he saw what looked to be anal sodomy between Sandusky and the boy.
So Joe did nothing wrong. Curley did nothing wrong. Spanier did nothing wrong.
Yes they did and were punished for it.

Schultz should have reported it outside of the university, to the DA or whatever, but had very little evidence anything really happened.


The only reason why there was a conviction is because the DA go several kids to say that JS molested them. MM's testimony by itself would probably not have resulted in a conviction.

That incident would have caused Sandusky to be exposed and then the other kids would have come forward. But it would have harmed the reputation of PSU and cost CSS and Joe their jobs.
 
That's right. There really was no evidence to corroborate MM's story. And, MM never directly saw them doing anything. It was 1998 all over again: A lot of suspicion with no evidence.
Testimony is evidence. That fact it happened in 1998 should have caused CSS and Joe to report Jerry. But, as I said before it would have harmed the reputation of PSU and cost CSS and Joe their jobs.
Having said that, if the DA was called, maybe he/she could have connected the dots ten years earlier.
Maybe CSS and Joe should have connected the dots and reported Jerry
 
Tell me: Do you really believe Joe Paterno was not aware of that accusation, especially considering Sandusky had been his top lieutenant for 30 years to that point and then suddenly "retired" a year later even though he was only 55 years old?
Complete, 100%, conjecture. Not backed up by one single fact. Vilify the man on complete conjecture.
 
Bottom line: A boy about 10 yo


A young boy, approximately 10 yo was assaulted in the locker room of the Lasch, but police were not notified, nor was McQueary interviewed for almost 10 years.

Who made the decision not to investigate the incident, was it Spanier, Curley, or Joe??? No wonder there was no paper trail of the alleged assault.

As a citizen you are not in a position to decide if an investigation into a serious criminal act should be conducted. That is the job of the police and DA.
You're assuming that MM witnessed sexual assault, that MM didn't tell Dranov or his own family about sexual assault, that he DID tell PSU administrators about sexual assault, and that those same administrators conspired to cover it up. Those are some big assumptions.

Also IIRC the victim was unknown and he remains unknown to this day.
 
Only administratively. Schultz was not a cop.

Joe WAS informed in 1998 as testified to by Curley at Spanier’s trial.

Even with substantial resources being brought to bear in the investigation.

MM told the OAG that he saw what looked to be anal sodomy between Sandusky and the boy.

Yes they did and were punished for it.

Schultz should have reported it outside of the university, to the DA or whatever, but had very little evidence anything really happened.


The only reason why there was a conviction is because the DA go several kids to say that JS molested them. MM's testimony by itself would probably not have resulted in a conviction.

That incident would have caused Sandusky to be exposed and then the other kids would have come forward. But it would have harmed the reputation of PSU and cost CSS and Joe their jobs.
Shultz was not a cop but the campus police, PSU has their own police force, reported to him. So he had the resources at his disposal.
 
Complete, 100%, conjecture. Not backed up by one single fact. Vilify the man on complete conjecture.
Curley testified at Spanier's trial that he told Joe about the 1998 incident involving Sandusky as the emails showed. Joe knew and that's a fact.
 
Shultz was not a cop but the campus police, PSU has their own police force, reported to him. So he had the resources at his disposal.
And he did not tell them about the 2001 incident because he wanted to cover it up. He went to jail for that.
 
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You're assuming that MM witnessed sexual assault,
He testified to such and was believed by four independent juries.
that MM didn't tell Dranov or his own family about sexual assault, that he DID tell PSU administrators about sexual assault, and that those same administrators conspired to cover it up. Those are some big assumptions.
No, that is exactly what happened. MM was shocked and scared for his future when he saw a local god molesting a little boy in the shower. He knew if he went straight to police they would take the word of Jerry over that of a GA and then MM would be gone from PSU. His family couldn't protect him but JoePa could and did until 2011. That's why it went down that way. Actually, this is pretty easy to deduct.
Also IIRC the victim was unknown and he remains unknown to this day.
Yep.
 
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Curley admits he decided that no further investigation was necessary after he spoke to Jerry and Jerry offered him the boy’s phone number.
That wasn't Curley's call to make unless he was covering it up.
He did however contact Jack Raykowitz, the licensed child psychologist who oversaw the 2nd mile.
And told him nothing actionable even though MM had told him it was CSA.
Dr. Raykowitz’ solution was for Jerry to wear swim trunks next time he showers with a boy.
This shows that Curley told him nothing actionable.
Remember too that Curley and Schultz spoke to McQueary too after Joe had contacted them. Mike apparently did not give them any indication he witnessed a sexual assault.
Yes he did and testified so. If MM had not seen anything sexual he wouldn't have reported it. Further, it would have never gone to Spanier.
Paterno then followed up with McQueary months later who voiced no objection to how Curley and Schultz chose to handle the incident.
This is false. Joe only asked MM how he personally felt overall. MM didn't know what CSS were doing. MM was clear about that in his testimony. Plus it wasn't up to MM to decide how to handle it. It was the responsibility of CSS.
Curley has not gone on the record,
And he never will as he is taking a bullet for the team. Curley owes his entire professional career to PSU and JoePa and as others close to him say, he is loyal to a fault.
but according to people close to him, he is haunted with regret that he never took up Jerry’s offer to contact the boy.
He regrets they got caught.
The boy would have certainly exonerated Jerry as he would in the coming years have Jerry stand in for his father at his high school senior night football game, drive 10 hours to attend Jerry’s mothers funeral, volunteer as assistant coach at Jerry’s football camp, invite Jerry to his wedding, write letters to the editor of several newspapers defending Jerry when news of the investigation was first leaked, and provide a statement to Jerry’s attorney defending Jerry a couple days after the arrest.
There is no factual basis for that belief. If true then Curley should have called but he didn't because he wanted it to go away. Coverup.

BTW did this alleged Victim 2 testify at Jerry's trial?
 
The only reason why there was a conviction is because the DA go several kids to say that JS molested them.
That, and a monumentally tainted jury pool. With the media frenzy around this case being as it was, there was absolutely zero chance Jerry was going to be exonerated. A very similar injustice would happen years later to Derek Chauvin.
 
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That, and a monumentally tainted jury pool. With the media frenzy around this case being as it was, there was absolutely zero chance Jerry was going to be exonerated. A very similar injustice would happen years later to Derek Chauvin.
both used to get ahead politically. And what can be worse than child molestation or racism? Who would argue that?
 
MM was shocked and scared for his future when he saw a local god molesting a little boy in the shower. He knew if he went straight to police they would take the word of Jerry over that of a GA and then MM would be gone from PSU.
So you are saying Mike covered up child sex abuse to protect his place in the football program? Shocking allegation...
 
You're assuming that MM witnessed sexual assault, that MM didn't tell Dranov or his own family about sexual assault, that he DID tell PSU administrators about sexual assault, and that those same administrators conspired to cover it up. Those are some big assumptions.

Also IIRC the victim was unknown and he remains unknown to this day.
OK. If Det. Spanier, Det. Curley, and Det. Joe, after hearing the initial facts, thought that no further inquiry was needed, then the 2011 blowup should never have occurred.

McQueary said that after meeting and telling Joe what he witnessed the night before in Feb. 2009, at about 9:30PM, Joe put his face in his hands and told McQueary to give him a "few days" to think about it.

What was there to think about???
 
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The Paterno 3 did indeed coverup for Sandusky. A coverup is not a crime, in and of itself. The jury found there was not a conspiracy. A coverup and a conspiracy are two different things.

§ 903. Criminal conspiracy.

(a) Definition of conspiracy.--A person is guilty of conspiracy with another person or persons to commit a crime if with the intent of promoting or facilitating its commission he:

(1) agrees with such other person or persons that they or one or more of them will engage in conduct which constitutes such crime or an attempt or solicitation to commit such crime; or

(2) agrees to aid such other person or persons in the planning or commission of such crime or of an attempt or solicitation to commit such crime."

Coverup, which is not a legal term, is:

"1. an attempt to prevent people's discovering the truth about a serious mistake or crime."

Spanier, not telling the BOT fully about the 2001 incident, covered up the Paterno 3 lack of action regarding Sandusky. It was not a crime to do so.

"Curley and Schultz, in lengthy colloquies with current case prosecutors Laura Ditka and Patrick Schulte, acknowledged receiving McQueary's report and interfering with or preventing its transmission to police and child welfare officials.

They conceded a legal duty to do that and as a result of that inaction, the men admitted, prosecutors could show Sandusky continued to have access to boys and, in fact, abused another boy in Penn State's football facilities before his eventual arrest in 2011."

Paterno's failure here is not one of law, but of morals and ethics, and given his stature as the face of Penn State, his culpability is indeed quite serious. The police were aware of an incident involving Sandusky as far back as 1998, but the decision to not press charges was the now-dead DA's, not theirs. And we'll never know why that DA did not pursue the case further. But that's not the point.

Tell me: Do you really believe Joe Paterno was not aware of that accusation, especially considering Sandusky had been his top lieutenant for 30 years to that point and then suddenly "retired" a year later even though he was only 55 years old? So Paterno knew about Sandusky's tendencies at least that far back, then four years later McQueary tells him he had just witnessed Sandusky molesting a child, and all you feel Paterno has to do is tell Curley? Paterno then continues to allow Sandusky to bring children to practices as late as 2007, but Paterno is not supposed to wonder what happened to that allegation of child molestation? Paterno is supposed to look the other way even though Sandusky is still hosting overnight camps at branch campuses as late as 2009? If so, why?

What a "stupid" post like this one demonstrates is the outsized role Paterno always felt he had at Penn State. It illustrates his willingness to protect the football program and his legacy even in the face of policies made by people at the university with ostensibly more authority—people who bent to his will when he wished to exert it (e.g. the firing of Vicky Triponey). It doesn't make him Stalin or Hitler or Manson, but it also doesn't make him just some adjunct English professor who's supposed to tell his department chair about an unruly student. And, sorry, every Penn Stater I know wore that "we're not like other big programs because we don't get into trouble" bit as a badge of honor. But the ones with half a brain now see this for what it is—for the abject moral failure on the part of pretty much everybody at Penn State, Paterno included.

Bottom line: The insular culture Paterno created—even as he sold the rest of the world on the notion that Penn State always did the right thing—is precisely why his moral complicity here matters. Whether Paterno deliberately looked the other way or did so out of indifference is not the issue. The fact that he knew about Jerry Sandusky and did not see he was stopped from preying on additional victims is. And, yes, it's enough to soil his legacy forever.

INTERVIEW: JOSEPH V. PATERNO

The date is 10/24/11; time 12:17 p.m., interview of coach Joseph Vincent Paterno, 830 North McKee Street, State College, PA. Scott Paterno is here representing his father. Randy Feathers is also present.

SASSANO: Coach are you aware that this statement is being taped and do you give me permission to tape this statement?

J. PATERNO: Yes.

SASSANO: Did Mike McQueary, some years ago, come to you, report to you an incident that he observed in the shower between Jerry Sandusky and another individual most likely a young boy.

J. PATERNO: Yes he did.

SASSANO: Okay, and can you tell me what Mike McQueary told you please.

J. PATERNO: Mike McQueary came and said he was in the shower and that Jerry Sandusky was in the shower with another person, a younger, how young I don’t know and Mike never mentioned it, that there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on.

Paterno just described Indecent Assault, which in fact Sandusky was found guilty of.
You have that completely backwards. Joe was saying he was NEVER told of inappropriate sexual activity going on.
 
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