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[BUFFALO LION]

That's all right but nothing all that special. I was picturing say joint research say, where you get leading scholars from three schools say working together on a given project. But they kind of do that already don't they? The top people in a given field already know who the other top people are.

Thanks for the insight!

Asking Art about anything Big Ten related is like asking Hillary Clinton what she thinks of Donald Trump, or vice versa. He hates everything Big Ten related and will always put everything in the worst possible light.

Along with the benefits Art so graciously listed above, here are a few links to judge for yourself:

Big Ten Academic Alliance Website:

https://www.btaa.org/
Big Ten Cancer Research Consortium
https://www.bigtencrc.org/
Big Ten Music Academic Alliance
http://www.cicmusiced.com/
Big Ten/Ivy League Traumatic Brain Injury Research Collaboration
https://www.btaa.org/research/traumatic-brain-injury-research-collaboration
Big Ten Bone Marrow/ Stem Cell Transplant Clinical Trial Working Group:
https://www.bigtencrc.org/clinical-...cell-transplant-clinical-trial-working-group/
Big Ten Lymphoid Malignancies Clinical Trial Working Group:
https://www.bigtencrc.org/clinical-research/lymphoid-malignancies-clinical-trial-working-group/

There are many, many more, but I'll either let you do the research yourself, or continue to bellyache like Art.

 

[Art]

Asking Art about anything Big Ten related is like asking Hillary Clinton what she thinks of Donald Trump, or vice versa. He hates everything Big Ten related and will always put everything in the worst possible light.

Along with the benefits Art so graciously listed above, here are a few links to judge for yourself:

Big Ten Academic Alliance Website:

https://www.btaa.org/
Big Ten Cancer Research Consortium
https://www.bigtencrc.org/
Big Ten Music Academic Alliance
http://www.cicmusiced.com/
Big Ten/Ivy League Traumatic Brain Injury Research Collaboration
https://www.btaa.org/research/traumatic-brain-injury-research-collaboration
Big Ten Bone Marrow/ Stem Cell Transplant Clinical Trial Working Group:
https://www.bigtencrc.org/clinical-...cell-transplant-clinical-trial-working-group/
Big Ten Lymphoid Malignancies Clinical Trial Working Group:
https://www.bigtencrc.org/clinical-research/lymphoid-malignancies-clinical-trial-working-group/

There are many, many more, but I'll either let you do the research yourself, or continue to bellyache like Art.

You could have easily summarized the above by "Big Ten Hey, Guys, Let's Have a Meeting!"

 

[Pinkhippo PeanutButter]

This really is one of the funniest posts of the day.

You actually can't grasp the concept, can you?

Hey Sooners!!! Remember a couple of years ago when some of the best legal minds you could find came to the conclusion that it was way too soon to even attempt to break your GOR???? Well I've got this guy up here at Penn State named Stormin Norman that has all the answers!!! A true legal genius!!! Can't believe it took us so long to find him!!!

Did you have a head injury? You've never heard of renegotiating a contract? You are seriously an impaired human being if your thoughts are so dumb as to make me & Barry appear to agree in comparison.

 

[BobPSU92]

Houston? Yeah.....no.

But they are the cougars.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Did you have a head injury? You've never heard of renegotiating a contract? You are seriously an impaired human being if your thoughts are so dumb as to make me & Barry appear to agree in comparison.

Hmmm. Had to look back to see where you came in on this. All I could find was you agreeing with Art about a Conference dissolving or something. As I told Art, that's one of the things he got right. Obviously, in most cases, if a Conference disolves, the GOR becomes null and void. That's not the issue here.

The issue is the difference between an exit fee and a GOR. The school we were discussing was Maryland. The hypothesis was that if Maryland would have fallen under the ACC's GOR (which they didn't), they would still be in the ACC.

Stormin Norman seems to want to argue that point. He seems to think Maryland ["would just make a deal and leave"] like they did with the exit fee. Stormin Norman's reply ["Does anyone really believe these folks would take it to court? Does anyone think these GORs are anything much more than preening?"] Is one of the craziest replies wrt a GOR I have ever heard. Especially after all the back and forth we did on this.

I guarantee you that if Maryland was still in the ACC and bound by the ACC's GOR instead of a simple exit fee, the Big Ten would NOT have looked at that as simply "preening". There is no way on Earth the Big Ten would have ever offered them a bid. A GOR would have been exponentially more difficult to navigate through than an exit fee, with the possibility of no reward at the end.

 

[Pinkhippo PeanutButter]

Hmmm. Had to look back to see where you came in on this. All I could find was you agreeing with Art about a Conference dissolving or something. As I told Art, that's one of the things he got right. Obviously, in most cases, if a Conference disolves, the GOR becomes null and void. That's not the issue here.

The issue is the difference between an exit fee and a GOR. The school we were discussing was Maryland. The hypothesis was that if Maryland would have fallen under the ACC's GOR (which they didn't), they would still be in the ACC.

Stormin Norman seems to want to argue that point. He seems to think Maryland ["would just make a deal and leave"] like they did with the exit fee. Stormin Norman's reply ["Does anyone really believe these folks would take it to court? Does anyone think these GORs are anything much more than preening?"] Is one of the craziest replies wrt a GOR I have ever heard. Especially after all the back and forth we did on this.

I guarantee you that if Maryland was still in the ACC and bound by the ACC's GOR instead of a simple exit fee, the Big Ten would NOT have looked at that as simply "preening". There is no way on Earth the Big Ten would have ever offered them a bid. A GOR would have been exponentially more difficult to navigate through than an exit fee, with the possibility of no reward at the end.

I don't know why you continue to debate what ifs around Maryland.

But no doubt, if I take a few seconds to indulge u.

MD home games would have little or no value to ACC networks. How much would a MD vs Northwestern game be worth? I understand that they would have these rights, but if there's no money, (it would be a net loss to send a broadcast team) they would negotiate an exit deal.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Asking Art about anything Big Ten related is like asking Hillary Clinton what she thinks of Donald Trump, or vice versa. He hates everything Big Ten related and will always put everything in the worst possible light.

Along with the benefits Art so graciously listed above, here are a few links to judge for yourself:

Big Ten Academic Alliance Website:

https://www.btaa.org/
Big Ten Cancer Research Consortium
https://www.bigtencrc.org/
Big Ten Music Academic Alliance
http://www.cicmusiced.com/
Big Ten/Ivy League Traumatic Brain Injury Research Collaboration
https://www.btaa.org/research/traumatic-brain-injury-research-collaboration
Big Ten Bone Marrow/ Stem Cell Transplant Clinical Trial Working Group:
https://www.bigtencrc.org/clinical-...cell-transplant-clinical-trial-working-group/
Big Ten Lymphoid Malignancies Clinical Trial Working Group:
https://www.bigtencrc.org/clinical-research/lymphoid-malignancies-clinical-trial-working-group/

There are many, many more, but I'll either let you do the research yourself, or continue to bellyache like Art.

One of my favorite lurking pastimes on this site is hearing Art’s CIC dog whistle go off. I know he likes to trumpet Chicago’s diminished role as a sign of its worthlessness. I know someone quite well who was a high ranking academic official there and was a part of the annual decision making process for 5-6 years earlier this decade. I asked him 3-4 years ago about their continued involvement in the CIC and he said it was reviewed each year, with healthy debate on both sides, and every year they decided to continue to participate. Obviously UC doesn’t need the few million dollars in efficiency savings they gained each year. For them the value was in the partnerships and relationships that had formed academically and administratively. The decision to formally withdraw only came when the B1G decided to rebrand the CIC and start marketing it (which apparently means making one cancer commercial and airing it 37 times every Saturday year after year) as a Big Ten asset. But even then it was important to them to continue those partnerships and you’ll still see UC involvement in many of the consortiums listed above. The fact of the matter is that UC had zero barriers to exit for decades and still actively participated in it. That shows it’s value goes beyond a few million dollars each year.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

You could have easily summarized the above by "Big Ten Hey, Guys, Let's Have a Meeting!"

HAA! So now you're saying collaboration wrt numerous projects like traumatic brain injuries or lymphoid malignancies is a bad thing??? Not surprised. : ^ )

 

[BUFFALO LION]

I don't know why you continue to debate what ifs around Maryland.

But no doubt, if I take a few seconds to indulge u.

MD home games would have little or no value to ACC networks. How much would a MD vs Northwestern game be worth? I understand that they would have these rights, but if there's no money, (it would be a net loss to send a broadcast team) they would negotiate an exit deal.

Penn State at Maryland would. Especially if both teams were having good years. What? You wouldn't watch on TV if you didn't go to the game???

The ACC could have as many as 8 games a year in the DC and Maryland markets to negotiate into their television contracts. Many involving Penn State, Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan State, etc, etc, etc. That's up to 8 games per year in that market the Big Ten would lose. Why bother????

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

I don't know why you continue to debate what ifs around Maryland.

But no doubt, if I take a few seconds to indulge u.

MD home games would have little or no value to ACC networks. How much would a MD vs Northwestern game be worth? I understand that they would have these rights, but if there's no money, (it would be a net loss to send a broadcast team) they would negotiate an exit deal.

What value would Maryland have brought the B1G if none of the B1G partners could show their home games? And games against the B1G teams seem to be pretty valuable to the B1G partners if Oregon State vs Ohio State gets a national broadcast. Maryland vs Texas had about 1.5 million viewers. How is that of little or no value? Maryland vs anyone in the B1G has far more value that any Wake Forest game.

 

[SUPERTODD]

Dude, do you just like to fight with people or what?


Yes. The ignore feature deals with it nicely.

 

[Pinkhippo PeanutButter]

What value would Maryland have brought the B1G if none of the B1G partners could show their home games? And games against the B1G teams seem to be pretty valuable to the B1G partners if Oregon State vs Ohio State gets a national broadcast. Maryland vs Texas had about 1.5 million viewers. How is that of little or no value? Maryland vs anyone in the B1G has far more value that any Wake Forest game.

How many of the 1.5 million viewers were ACC fans who would be likely subscribers to an ACC network? Almost none. So, the game has no value to ACC. Certainly it has value to Big 12 and Big 10, and to generic national audience. The parameters of a renegotiation are obvious.

 

[Art]

HAA! So now you're saying collaboration wrt numerous projects like traumatic brain injuries or lymphoid malignancies is a bad thing??? Not surprised. : ^ )

What collaboration beyond exchanging papers and participating in symposia? That activity goes on all of the time and doesn't require some "allaince" for it to happen. Find a funded research project that is being done under the name of one of these "alliances" and then you'll have something.

 

[Art]

One of my favorite lurking pastimes on this site is hearing Art’s CIC dog whistle go off. I know he likes to trumpet Chicago’s diminished role as a sign of its worthlessness. I know someone quite well who was a high ranking academic official there and was a part of the annual decision making process for 5-6 years earlier this decade. I asked him 3-4 years ago about their continued involvement in the CIC and he said it was reviewed each year, with healthy debate on both sides, and every year they decided to continue to participate. Obviously UC doesn’t need the few million dollars in efficiency savings they gained each year. For them the value was in the partnerships and relationships that had formed academically and administratively. The decision to formally withdraw only came when the B1G decided to rebrand the CIC and start marketing it (which apparently means making one cancer commercial and airing it 37 times every Saturday year after year) as a Big Ten asset. But even then it was important to them to continue those partnerships and you’ll still see UC involvement in many of the consortiums listed above. The fact of the matter is that UC had zero barriers to exit for decades and still actively participated in it. That shows it’s value goes beyond a few million dollars each year.

There's no dog whistle here. My criticisms, and they're not so much criticisms as attempts to put the role of the BTAA in the proper perspective, are at a decibel level for all to hear. As for trumpeting Chicago's diminished role, this is the first time I've mentioned it. And if you know someone at Chicago, I know someone at Hopkins.

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

How many of the 1.5 million viewers were ACC fans who would be likely subscribers to an ACC network? Almost none. So, the game has no value to ACC. Certainly it has value to Big 12 and Big 10, and to generic national audience. The parameters of a renegotiation are obvious.

So, you actually believe that if the ACC Network was able to advertise that each year it would have an two exclusive showings per year of Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State and/or Michigan, that the exclusive showing would not add value to the ACC network? Just checking. It's not the ACC fans they're going after. It's market penetration. Oklahoma charges $60 each year for one PPV game against G5 and FCS teams and pulls in millions. This year it's Army, last year Tulane, year before that Louisiana-Monroe. OSU, Michigan and our fans would be screaming for access to the ACC network if that was the only outlet.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

How many of the 1.5 million viewers were ACC fans who would be likely subscribers to an ACC network? Almost none. So, the game has no value to ACC. Certainly it has value to Big 12 and Big 10, and to generic national audience. The parameters of a renegotiation are obvious.

BINGO!!!!!!!

Even though no ACC fans would care about the game, the ACC would still have pocketed the money for the television rights. No fan from Maryland or Texas gives two hoots about who pockets the money for the game or what Network they watch it on as long as they can watch it.

If Penn State played Maryland in a Big Ten Conference game at College Park, I guarantee you not many fans would refuse to watch just because the ACC was pocketing the money for the television rights. However, that would never happen because the Big Ten would have refused to ever offer Maryland a bid in the first place.

If the Big Ten was brain dead dumb enough to give Maryland a bid while they were under the ACC's GOR, without some prearranged and agreed upon horse trading by all parties, there is no way on Earth the ACC would negotiate away those rights without first making sure they bled the Big Ten bone dead dry.

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

BINGO!!!!!!!

Even though no ACC fans would care about the game, the ACC would still have pocketed the money for the television rights. No fan from Maryland or Texas gives two hoots about who pockets the money for the game or what Network they watch it on as long as they can watch it.

If Penn State played Maryland in a Big Ten Conference game at College Park, I guarantee you not many fans would refuse to watch just because the ACC was pocketing the money for the television rights. However, that would never happen because the Big Ten would have refused to ever offer Maryland a bid in the first place.

If the Big Ten was brain dead dumb enough to give Maryland a bid while they were under the ACC's GOR, without some prearranged and agreed upon horse trading by all parties, there is no way on Earth the ACC would negotiate away those rights without first making sure they bled the Big Ten bone dead dry.

Maryland was not under a GOR when they came to the B1G. They simply had a exit fee and had to give a certain amount on notice. GORs came after Maryland left. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Maryland was not under a GOR when they came to the B1G. They simply had a exit fee and had to give a certain amount on notice. GORs came after Maryland left. Why is this so hard to understand?

I know. It cracks me up that no one on this Board seems to be able to understand or grasp the concept.