That doesn't make much sense. A lot of people struggle but they don't loot and commit arson. I don't believe the assertions made by some of the mayor giving people free rein to do any of that stuff but there is also no such thing as striking a balance between the peaceful protesters and the criminals. Once the fur started to fly the police should have been ordered in to squelch it. You don't play a "wait and see" game hoping it'll just go away.
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I just wish people would be patient, wait for all the facts to come out before deciding to destroy neighborhoods. Even if the police are at fault, I don't see how rioting solves the problem. The police need to clean up their image, get rid of the bad eggs, and the communities need better leadership when these incidents occur.
Last night CNN interviewed a guy on the street. He seemingly wasn't involved in the criminal activity but expressed his frustration with the government and police. In regard to the rioting he said people just wanted to take back what was theirs. I'm still trying to figure out how arson and looting accomplishes that.
Don't be passive-aggressive.....call him what you really want to call him. I can see you joining forces with the other race-baiters here and elsewhere. And yes, that's exactly what I'm calling you: a race-baiter.
Agree...fighting violence with violence doesn't seem to be the appropriate message. The trouble makers appears to be kids and people from outside the community.
I've had some experience with the criminal justice system and its pretty bad. Money and influence rules. Its no wonder people are very, very frustrated. Attention needs to be given to reform. Maybe this is the only way; who knows. Regardless, its very sad for the people living in the area trying to revitalize.
I was thinking about considering something in downtown CLE. This is, of course, the problem. The suburbs are quiet, boring and have good schools (for the most part). Downtown swings from cool to dangerous year in and year out. Before making a $300k investment, I want to make sure there is stability. People in Balt are now suffering huge real estate losses as those in Fergusson suffered a few months ago. CVS probably won't move back, nor will grocery stores......it creates a death spiral.
I am sure that is correct. Here in CLE, a big problem with living downtown is convenient access to grocery stores and pharmacies who are hesitant to invest in the city due to this very concern. Here, a local store moved in after the city subsidized it by guaranteeing minimum revenue streams then the city had to hire 24 hour security guards after shop lifting became a major problem.
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I saw a similar interview (might have been the same CNN interview) when I was picking up my mother-in-law at a local senior care facility yesterday. I felt sad because the young man spoke out of frustration and emotion with no recourse to reason. He almost seemed at a loss to understand what he had said. The future is bleak for many of these young people. Taking back what is "theirs" gives them a surge of power and feeling of control of their environment in the very near term, but what are the odds for the overwhelming majority of these young people getting just decent jobs as adults? How is such a problem solved? Not very easily.
No most of the people Sat night and last night are def. from the community. Of the 36 or so people arrested on Sat. night 28 of them had Baltimore addresses. Maybe there were outside agitators starting the whole thing but the kids burning the city last night were from Baltimore.
I agree with what you said about lack of grocery stores/drug stores in the city. About the only one close to me is Eddies Market and thats really not a viable option for buying groceries. As for drug stores there was a CVS a few blocks away. Provided its still there when I get back.
I have to disagree with you about the Clergy, yea it might have taken a while to get going but you cant just round up 100's of men in minutes when parts of the city are in flames and hard to get to.
INMO both the Clergy and the Nation of Islam did an outstanding job last night. Things were just happening to fast for instantaneous response and results.
Is it a great city for the 50% of black men that are chronically unemployed? Is it a great city for black men and boys who are targeted and abused by the police? Is it a great city for Freddie Gray who was arrested and subsequently killed for "unprovoked running"? The kids rioting don't care about the city because there is nothing for them to care about.
Def. agree. that their should have been more of a police presence at the mall. But I will not blame the Clergy or NOI for not being there or doing more.
I got caught up in the mess on Sat. night coming back from visiting friends in DC.
I was stuck on Light St. when the shit hit the fan.
I ran 2 red lights and went the wrong way up an alley to get to Calvert St.
After that it was ok.
And getting home last night was no picnic either.
SRB, Police Commish, GOV. waited way too long to do anything. Maybe I'll give them a pass for Sat. night but that should have been a wake up call to get prepared for Last night.
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Please enlighten me. Name the two Americas and list the characteristics of each.
Interesting, where in this conservative south are these crimes occuring? I'm in NOLA, but I'm sure they are the exception to the rule in terms of where this crime is occurring. When you play the card, you should really have a good reason to. If you do it early and often it loses it value. Just an FYI.
Stupidity exists everywhere, with every occupation, and with every color. No need to justify it.
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That's where a lot of the problem comes in. What does that mean? I think some of that is due to the strong sense of entitlement many in this country have. However, I think that whatever your politics, one thing that we can agree on is that the policies of the last 50 years ("the War on Poverty" etc.) haven't worked. Doubling down on those policies isn't going to make it work any better. Maybe it is time to rethink it all. The Declaration says we are endowed as citizens with three things: "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". It never guaranteed that we would get the last one.
You realize that DC, MD, and Delaware are 3 of those 10. Alaska and New Mexico are 2 of the other 10. It's a cute link that you tried to pass off as of a left versus right thing I guess, but that had little to do with conservative versus liberal crime. I live in Louisiana and you won't like the links I could post in terms of the crime and where it is occurring. In fact the link didn't even support what you typed. I'm neither a liberal or conservative as both parties have been epic power hungry failures, but feel free to slap some labels on me. It's cute.
5 out of 10 are in the South.
Does the south make up 50% of all states?
Also, you can check the FBI's stats for the highest murder rates by region. #1? The south.
Watch this video and tell me that these officers taking on deadly force were not told by their superiors to just stand there and take it...its difficult to watch.
It's because it is per capita.
I live in New Orleans, you want the break down of where these crimes are occurring in terms of the areas and how they actually vote? I really think your either very naive or not smart enough to understand what you just linked.
They were told to stand there and take it. I wonder what the exact orders were with respect to the use of force, specifically firearms. What if the rioters had started pulling out firearms? What if they had semi-automatic weapons? The police were ripe for a slaughter there. Standing firm and attempting to hold the line was honorable, but not practical for safety and they are fortunate that there was only one serious casualty. What was the viable alternative though? If the police had responded with force, they would have provoked an even greater escalation of violence and they would have really been at a firepower disadvantage. This was long before the Guard was activated.
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Yea I'm very concerned for the rest of the week. Schools will probably be closed giving them all time to formulate a plan and now the weather is getting nice. I know mentioning the weather sounds stupid but I strongly believe the only thing that kept Sat. night from not becoming as bad as last night was that it was cold and rainy.
Yea this is very disturbing. I don't see what this strategy accomplished. If there was excessive use of force by the police then suspend the police, announce a thorough investigation and prosecute the officers that were responsible if the investigation warrants prosecution. At the same time, let it be known that any type of violent demonstrations, rioting and looting will not be tolerated, and take measures to eliminate it before it starts. All this strategy did was reinforce the belief that this is the normal response to injustice, perceived or real. The never ending cycle keeps on rolling.
Tom Rinaldi and ESPN should have been here Sat. night and last night.
They'd see what a riot really looks like.
It looked like they factored in other stats like the poverty level. So I'm not sure. There are many ways to get a study to say what you want it to say.
There used to be a KFC right across from that CVS that burned, now I think its a Beauty Salon.
Bolton Hill is gorgeous as is Gilford and MT. Vernon. (but I'm biased I live in Mt. Vernon Mews). LOL.
I'm getting emails from friends that are telling me that there is a credible rumor (is that even a real thing?)
that there is now a planned "march" in Edgewood and Bel Air.
If your familiar with the city you know that when they imploded all the section 8 highrises in the city they moved the residents
to Edgewood. Crime has gone through the roof there since '96-'97.
So I'd like to say I'm surprised but I'm not.
I don't think it was everyone at least not all of the Lexington projects but IIRC there were 3 or 4 other high rises that were imploded around that same time period.
Yea that area of North Ave is pretty bad the section around Greenmount is still really bad.
Baltimore in the 90's under Schmoke was a mess. For as much as I hated O'Malley as Gov. I actually thought he did some good as
Mayor.
There still is a fairly large drug/Heroin market at Gwynn Falls and Liberty Hgts.
Seems that rumor was credible enough that they locked down Edgewood High School.
I think I'm leaving work early the rest of the week.
Baltimore city schools were cancelled.
Edgwood, MD is about 20 miles north on I95 in Harford County.
Where did they move it too?
And they were going to have a prom at a football Stadium?
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Yea I'm thinking its time to visit my mom. She wanted some work done around the house anyway.
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