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Zack Smith Ordered Sex Toys to Ohio State Offices


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Since assistant coaches generally don't have long term contracts......the question is.....how many new contracts did OSU offer Zach? He didn't need to be fired. They didn't need to renew his contract. A muddled personal life, that clearly spilled over into his job should have resulted in a parting of ways. Its hard to believe that a person who exhibited such poor judgement (long standing marital discord, intoxicated driving, penis pictures in the White House, recorded sex acts, having pornographic items delivered to his place of employment etc.) turned the switch and preformed flawlessly on the job.
All of that is acceptable if you are the #4 recruiter nationally. Those 5 stars and high end 4s don't come to a crummy crime ridden town in the cold Midwest from California, Florida, Nevada, and Texas.
 
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Since assistant coaches generally don't have long term contracts......the question is.....how many new contracts did OSU offer Zach? He didn't need to be fired. They didn't need to renew his contract. A muddled personal life, that clearly spilled over into his job should have resulted in a parting of ways. Its hard to believe that a person who exhibited such poor judgement (long standing marital discord, intoxicated driving, penis pictures in the White House, recorded sex acts, having pornographic items delivered to his place of employment etc.) turned the switch and preformed flawlessly on the job.

It’s also hard to believe that a person who showed such disregard for decency and morality in his personal life wasn’t doing the same thing professionally. That is the anvil that is waiting to drop in the program. Once they link his willingness to completely disregard rules in regards to his recruiting it will not be just Zach Smith and Urban Meyer that will be in trouble but the whole OSU football program.
 
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Not always the salesman. They have a pretty good prodict to sell.

That is undeniable. Great tradition to rely upon. Which makes it odd that they would rely upon such a shady figure to do the recruiting when he doesn’t seem to be that great at actually coaching. Sometimes it’s not the salesman, but sometimes it is the bagmen the salesman is associated with.
 
That is undeniable. Great tradition to rely upon. Which makes it odd that they would rely upon such a shady figure to do the recruiting when he doesn’t seem to be that great at actually coaching. Sometimes it’s not the salesman, but sometimes it is the bagmen the salesman is associated with.

Wonder if Courtney would go nuclear and expose the bagman??
 
They are holding back for the day OSU absolves Urby. Ie, today.

I assume the other shoe is waiting to drop. It’s the only reason I think osu may fire urban. Just to wash their hands of the mess and avoid having this drag out as stuff trickles out over months or more.
 
Yea, I think it was definitely a mistake to bring Zach to Cbus.

In 2015 Courtney claimed abuse. The police investigated and no arrests were made nor did the DA file charges. But Urban should have fired him anyway? And now Urban should resign because he didn't fire him in 2015? None of that is reasonable. And whether or not Urban properly reported has EVERYTHING to do with the investigation.

why did he fire him this time? If we are to believe you, 2009 = no charges, 2015 no charges, 2018
charged with violating a protective order but nothing decided yet. So if nothing happened in 09 or 15 why fire him for an accusation only.
 
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Yeah, Columbus is a dump :rolleyes:
Why would 5 stars from thousands of miles away give up Cali, Florida, Texas, Vegas winters for Columbus with all of their other choices? There are only some crime ridden parts of Columbus, so I guess there is that.
 
The biggest question about the sex toys isn't that he was ordering them. But that he was having them sent to work. Sure no one would know what the packages were when delivered, but why couldn't they be delivered home? Is it because he was only using them at work?

What would anyones company due if they found out about sex toys being delivered to the office...and...what " business" would not be aware of this kind of delivery happening many times over the course of a few years ( $2200...worth of goods.)...
 
I would assume having personal Amazon packages delivered to the football building was commonplace. And it's not like the box would show "Fragile: Erotica" on the outside.
 
McMurphy also posted text messages where Courtney Smith's mother was accusing Zach Smith of DV. At a minimum, given her conflicting stories, Courtney Smith's mother is not credible and would be viewed that way in court by a jury.

You are forgetting the 2009 incident in Florida where he was arrested for a felony for choking his pregnant wife. In that instance, she was convinced to not press charges by Meyer's life coach and Zach grand father Earle Bruce (which his family denies). You are also forgetting the text exchange where he admits to choking her in Mexico, or at a minimum he agreed to her stating that in a text message.

Zach Smith took a picture of his penis in the Whitehouse. Zach Smith had sex with multiple women (staffers and students) in the Woody Hayes Center. He has a DUI that he told no one about. He has broken numerous Ohio State policies (sex in the workplace) and probably could be criminally charged for his stunt at the Whitehouse. The guy is immature and makes rash decisions yet you find him to be credible?

...may or may not have been female students
 
Yea, I think it was definitely a mistake to bring Zach to Cbus.

In 2015 Courtney claimed abuse. The police investigated and no arrests were made nor did the DA file charges. But Urban should have fired him anyway? And now Urban should resign because he didn't fire him in 2015? None of that is reasonable. And whether or not Urban properly reported has EVERYTHING to do with the investigation.

Interesting comparing Urban to Joe. Let's see

. Initial incident
Urban 2009 - ZS arrested but Earl and Urban's life coach talk Courtney out of pressing charges
Joe 1998 - Joe is told that JS was investigated by police but was cleared with no charges or indications being made.
takeaway [sounds like Urban might have been involved in having CS not press charges] Joe was simply told investigated and nothing happened.]

. Intervening years
Urban moves to Cbus and HIRES ZS again
Joe - JS retires in 1999 at least in some part because Joe says spend more time with football and less with charity or retire. Some also speculate he did not support JS as head football coach at UVa when he interviewed.
takeaway [Urban actively working with ZS while Joe is distancing himself from JS]

. Next "event"
. Urban CS claims DV against ZS - Police investigate and DA does not file charges
. Urban [best case] - follows protocol and reports to supervisor presumably Gene Smith
. ZS is retained on staff
Joe. He is told of an event by a member of his staff. This member also told a licensed Dr and his father who have said they heard nothing warranting a contact to authorities.

Joe follows today's protocol before there ever was a protocol and reports to his supervisor AND head of campus security.
Despite JS no longer being employed by PSU or no claims by a victim [to this day] PSU AD contacts JS current employer who is also the likely source of the alleged victim to inform them.
The employer says if you are suggesting JS is a ped you are crazy and makes NO ATTEMPT to find alleged vic and corroborate accusation.

takeaway - both follow protocol

End result

Urban - tbd but you are suggesting nothing should be done

Joe- reputation ruined and PSU AD, Campus security head "forced" to plea to a minor offense and PSU president convicted of a minor offense [currently under appeal


 
Oh what glee this brings to us........I wonder if it feels exactly like the fun they had at PSU's expense?
If indeed there is a "bagman" with resources to "purchase" blue chip recruits.........wouldn't it behoove Courtney Smith to negotiate with them? She is clearly in need of financial support. Blowing them out of the water does nothing for her standard of living.
Excuse me if ZS sounds a lot like MM and we know some of his antics that occurred right under the nose of JVP. But, I don't want to be a wet blanket.
 
Interesting comparing Urban to Joe. Let's see

. Initial incident
Urban 2009 - ZS arrested but Earl and Urban's life coach talk Courtney out of pressing charges
Joe 1998 - Joe is told that JS was investigated by police but was cleared with no charges or indications being made.
takeaway [sounds like Urban might have been involved in having CS not press charges] Joe was simply told investigated and nothing happened.]

. Intervening years
Urban moves to Cbus and HIRES ZS again
Joe - JS retires in 1999 at least in some part because Joe says spend more time with football and less with charity or retire. Some also speculate he did not support JS as head football coach at UVa when he interviewed.
takeaway [Urban actively working with ZS while Joe is distancing himself from JS]

. Next "event"
. Urban CS claims DV against ZS - Police investigate and DA does not file charges
. Urban [best case] - follows protocol and reports to supervisor presumably Gene Smith
. ZS is retained on staff
Joe. He is told of an event by a member of his staff. This member also told a licensed Dr and his father who have said they heard nothing warranting a contact to authorities.

Joe follows today's protocol before there ever was a protocol and reports to his supervisor AND head of campus security.
Despite JS no longer being employed by PSU or no claims by a victim [to this day] PSU AD contacts JS current employer who is also the likely source of the alleged victim to inform them.
The employer says if you are suggesting JS is a ped you are crazy and makes NO ATTEMPT to find alleged vic and corroborate accusation.

takeaway - both follow protocol

End result

Urban - tbd but you are suggesting nothing should be done

Joe- reputation ruined and PSU AD, Campus security head "forced" to plea to a minor offense and PSU president convicted of a minor offense [currently under appeal

Joe always was Success With Honor. That’s his true legacy. urban is and always will be a pile of shit.
 
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Why would 5 stars from thousands of miles away give up Cali, Florida, Texas, Vegas winters for Columbus with all of their other choices? There are only some crime ridden parts of Columbus, so I guess there is that.

The same reason they go to State College, or Tuscaloosa. You can’t be this dense.
 
The same reason they go to State College, or Tuscaloosa. You can’t be this dense.
15 of the 19 recruits that Zach Smith signed in the last 3 classes were from about half way across the country or beyond away from Columbus. The 4 Ohio recruits he signed were mostly among the lowest ranked recruits he signed. We are talking elite prospects almost exclusively from no where near Columbus. Look at other recruiters and you do not find such a skewed amount of recruits from very far away who are almost all 5 and super high 4 stars while the very small number of natural recruiting area kids he signed are mostly low rated. Pretty tell tale sign that something very odd is occurring.
 
Why do you call me a clown? Have I been rude? We're just talking.

There is a court case next month regarding Smith's arrest. Perhaps the judge will rule that Smith is guilty of violating it. Perhaps he won't. Either way, that hearing, the sex toys and the ALLEGED pics are all IRRELEVANT to whether or not Urban followed reporting procedures in 2015. If he didn't, he's gone. We should find out today.
So ALL that matters is that Meyer reported it?? Molding character and modeling behavior for young men,not so much??
 
New information from McMurphy:

“The main reason I reported it is because Zach Smith was an employee at Ohio State having sex with a subordinate in the football office. He (took pictures) on a phone he conducts university business on. He was having all the (sex toys) items delivered, not to his personal home, but his place of employment." "This goes toward the lack of credibility this guy has when you factor in (the other stuff). The woman he had sex with was reassigned to another department in the summer of 2015. She was reassigned after what went on, but he remained employed.”

Details involving the university employee involved sexually with Smith are cloudy, McMurphy says.

“According to Ohio State, she is no longer at the university, however her information for her bio is still on the university website,” McMurphy said. "I'm getting two different stories. On July 12, 2015, she left the football office and she was then placed in another department at the university within the athletic department. I don’t know the reason, all Ohio State would tell me was her dates of employment and the different departments she worked at within the athletic department.”
 
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Oh no they wrote something that's unfair!!!

Wait until they call your mom a childraper, then you have something to cry about, wussies.
 
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