You are an asshole for claiming he opted out while injured.I am not mad. I just stated a very common opinion. You take it and run round and round. That is tiresome. Time to end the discussion. We are beginning to look like obsessed aholes.
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You are an asshole for claiming he opted out while injured.I am not mad. I just stated a very common opinion. You take it and run round and round. That is tiresome. Time to end the discussion. We are beginning to look like obsessed aholes.
Why? They completed their obligation. It's why the portal opens now not after the bowlsWhat happens if they announce the playoff field and then the players on the teams in the playoff say "We're not playing unless you give us a cut of the TV money?" After all, if the players don't play there's no TV money and thus no game, right?
You are an asshole for claiming he opted out while injured.
He said we were both being assholes. Just needed to clarify. I don't tolerate much but accusing a player of quitting that was injured and we all know he injured is beyond pathetic. If he represents Buckeyes fans I'm done defending them which you know I do a lot of.Well that’s a bit over the top. Damn
I see you don't let go until the fact that your an ahole is obvious for all to see.You are an asshole for claiming he opted out while injured.
It should be setup like a salary cap as a first step.How can it be regulated? I thought the idea was that athletes should be able to get a job to make money just like other students.
P.S. I don't think a semi pro league would diminish the appeal of college football. The problem is it's a money loser and the NFL has no motivation to subsidize it.
You already won that awardI see you don't let go until the fact that you an ahole is obvious for all to see.
Wrong,Agree that the NFL doesn't want to fund it, especially when the colleges do it for free.
I disagree about colleges worried about losing top players. Fans will come either way.
We all know these players are not being paid for NIL... as in these players are not being paid for advertising their NIL. They are being paid a salary from a pool of money set up by university athletic departments and donors under the guise of NIL.How can it be regulated? I thought the idea was that athletes should be able to get a job to make money just like other students.
P.S. I don't think a semi pro league would diminish the appeal of college football. The problem is it's a money loser and the NFL has no motivation to subsidize it.
How? Once it's created you can't just "stop it". Players deserve compensation and should be allowed to transfer for any reason without being penalized. See coaches doing the same. The NCAA has no power so unless the conferences align and do something it will continue to grow.We all know these players are not being paid for NIL... as in these players are not being paid for advertising their NIL. They are being paid a salary from a pool of money set up by university athletic departments and donors under the guise of NIL.
Stop the donor pools of money. Stop the guarantee of NIL salary as part of the scholarship. Stop the yearly transfer portal for the highest bidder.
I don't think there is any way to stop it. Maybe it can be controlled a bit by making the players professionals, allowing them to unionize, and imposing a salary cap. But what's going to stop players from making money on the side? Player contracts limit a player's ability to do things that would risk his health and ability to play but they don't prohibit him from appearing on TV commercials.We all know these players are not being paid for NIL... as in these players are not being paid for advertising their NIL. They are being paid a salary from a pool of money set up by university athletic departments and donors under the guise of NIL.
Stop the donor pools of money. Stop the guarantee of NIL salary as part of the scholarship. Stop the yearly transfer portal for the highest bidder.
How? Once it's created you can't just "stop it". Players deserve compensation and should be allowed to transfer for any reason without being penalized. See coaches doing the same. The NCAA has no power so unless the conferences align and do something it will continue to grow.
That's ridiculous. Pro athletes can't transfer for any reason without penalty.Players deserve compensation and should be allowed to transfer for any reason without being penalized. See coaches doing the same.
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^We all know these players are not being paid for NIL... as in these players are not being paid for advertising their NIL. They are being paid a salary from a pool of money set up by university athletic departments and donors under the guise of NIL.
Stop the donor pools of money. Stop the guarantee of NIL salary as part of the scholarship. Stop the yearly transfer portal for the highest bidder.
So are they pro athletes or not?That's ridiculous. Pro athletes can't transfer for any reason without penalty.
1. Respectfully, coaches cannot transfer for any reason without being penalized. They have legally binding contracts and termination of their employment is subject to the terms of their contract.How? Once it's created you can't just "stop it".
1. Players deserve compensation and should be allowed to transfer for any reason without being penalized. See coaches doing the same.
2. The NCAA has no power so unless the conferences align and do something it will continue to grow.
IMO players should sign a contract with terms and conditions that bind both parties. It used to be that a college scholarship did that. Same thing if they're pros. Aaron Judge can't leave the Yankees because he's under contract and the Yankees have to pay him according to his contract even if his performance suffers.So are they pro athletes or not?
Can coaches leave or not?
If open to anything here
Coaches have a buyout. Players finish the semester or drop out.1. Respectfully, coaches cannot transfer for any reason without being penalized. They have legally binding contracts and termination of their employment is subject to the terms of their contract.
In the case of players currently, they CAN transfer for any reason without being penalized.
2. The NCAA exists at the pleasure of the institutions that chartered it and fund it today. If the institutions believe there should be controls/limitations, the NCAA would be mechanism to create/enforce them.
Once enough institutions believe the NCAA is no longer serving the interests of the membership, the NCAA will be no more (or will at least be very different than it is today and will be largely irrelevant for revenue generating sports).
If we want the penalty to be paying back NIL money I can get on board as everything being mentioned in monetaryIMO players should sign a contract with terms and conditions that bind both parties. It used to be that a college scholarship did that. Same thing if they're pros. Aaron Judge can't leave the Yankees because he's under contract and the Yankees have to pay him according to his contract even if his performance suffers.
I don't know enough about coaches contracts but I assume Frankin cannot leave without penalty. A school who hires him away might pay that penalty for him but there's still a penalty. IIRC correctly Texas paid Louisville $4.4 million when they hired away Charlie Strong.
You're incorrigible. Most people understand the rules as they exist. Most also see how out of control things are and want something different. You're a big advocate of a 12 team playoff and fewer bowls which is fine. Do you really think it's a good setup if teams selected to the playoff start opting out?Why? They completed their obligation. It's why the portal opens now not after the bowls
They won't though...that's why a larger playoff is needed. We need meaningful games. Even those that defend the bowl system talk about it being a reward. If the player doesn't want the reward why go? I know people want to believe there's value in them but there's not. It's just for fun/entertainment. Win or lose it doesn't matter. It's for pride.You're incorrigible. Most people understand the rules as they exist. Most also see how out of control things are and want something different. You're a big advocate of a 12 team playoff and fewer bowls which is fine. Do you really think it's a good setup if teams selected to the playoff start opting out?
your proposal doesn't make sense. First of all we would need about 4 additional games which takes you into February (bad weather and all) like the NFL. The 12 team playoff will be difficult enough. Second it doesn't address the issue of players skipping out on their playoff games.They won't though...that's why a larger playoff is needed. We need meaningful games. Even those that defend the bowl system talk about it being a reward.
Conference title games are gone. Week one would have been last weekend. This weekend would be rough of 16. It ends the same time the current playoff does. How are you getting into February? See FCS.your proposal doesn't make sense. First of all we would need about 4 additional games which takes you into February (bad weather and all) like the NFL. The 12 team playoff will be difficult enough. Second it doesn't address the issue of players skipping out on their playoff games.
I think you're dreaming if you think no players from the top 24 teams will skip a playoff game. What happened to the players doing what's in their best interest? There might not be as many opt outs but they will still happen if they are allowed.Conference title games are gone. Week one would have been last weekend. This weekend would be rough of 16. It ends the same time the current playoff does. How are you getting into February? See FCS.
It does. Players have demonstrated they don't skip bowl games. No one has yet. Why are we assuming they will? They skip bowl games because everyone knows, though some won't admit, the bowls are just a scrimmage.
Correct. Coaches cannot move for any reason and without penalty. Any move must adhere to the terms of their contract and often involves a large sum of money. That's far different than the players.Coaches have a buyout. Players finish the semester or drop out.
Does the NCAA truly enforce things?
No one is skipping a chance to win a titleI think you're dreaming if you think no players from the top 24 teams will skip a playoff game. What happened to the players doing what's in their best interest? There might not be as many opt outs but they will still happen if they are allowed.
Conferences won't want to eliminate their conference championship games. The BiG has already announced them for the next two years.
Most college stadiums aren't located near big cities like NFL teams. It's difficult for people to travel through the mountains to get to Beaver Stadium in November. How do you think that's going to work through December and January? Even if they do make the trip the students will be gone from early December to early January.
Then the new school can payback the NIL money to make it even. Assuming the player even made NIL money.Correct. Coaches cannot move for any reason and without penalty. Any move must adhere to the terms of their contract and often involves a large sum of money. That's far different than the players.
Not in January when travel is difficult and students are home on breakNo one is skipping a chance to win a title
Conferences will eliminate CCGs games if they get more money elsewhere. A 24 team playoff does that
You dont think Beaver stadium would be packed for a playoff game?
I have zero doubt the game has 80k plus even with 9 inches of snow. If people travel to watch us play Delaware and UMass they're going for a playoff game regardless of weather.Not in January when travel is difficult and students are home on break
Agree. People will obviously travel for a playoff game. Is Lambeau empty when it snows? No...and neither would Beaver StadiumI have zero doubt the game has 80k plus even with 9 inches of snow. If people travel to watch us play Delaware and UMass they're going for a playoff game regardless of weather.
Cite me one player who opted out of a playoff game. I just don’t see this happening.And how are they going to sell the games as being a playoff of the best college teams when some of the players that made the team so good aren't playing. And not due to injury. Some people said the reason FSU didn't make the playoff is because their starting QB was hurt. Should that matter?
If star players sitting out the playoff starts to become a thing, how can a committee have any credibility in naming a playoff field? It's already subjective to some degree but it becomes completely subjective when the committee doesn't even know what players are going to play post-season ball.
I didn't say any had. Read the thread title again.Cite me one player who opted out of a playoff game. I just don’t see this happening.
I am not aware of there being an “issue” with players opting out of PLAYOFF games. As I mentioned in another post I am not aware of any player doing that but welcome any one to correct me about that. If I am right, this has been a very long thread “solving” a problem that doesn’t exist.your proposal doesn't make sense. First of all we would need about 4 additional games which takes you into February (bad weather and all) like the NFL. The 12 team playoff will be difficult enough. Second it doesn't address the issue of players skipping out on their playoff games.
See my other post. Apparently you don’t think there’s a difference between bowls and playoff games.I didn't say any had. Read the thread title again.
It was once unthinkable for a star player to sit out a regular bowl but now it's not uncommon. Why won't the same happen eventually in the playoffs? Is some guy that has a potential big cash in with the NFL coming going to risk it all just to play in the playoff?
Because those games matter. The NFL will not accept players skipping meaningful games. Fans need to accept that the bowls don't matter. They're just for pride.I didn't say any had. Read the thread title again.
It was once unthinkable for a star player to sit out a regular bowl but now it's not uncommon. Why won't the same happen eventually in the playoffs? Is some guy that has a potential big cash in with the NFL coming going to risk it all just to play in the playoff?
Most bowls never mattered, but players didn't use to skip them. But now they do.Because those games matter. The NFL will not accept players skipping meaningful games. Fans need to accept that the bowls don't matter. They're just for pride.
People talk about playoff expansion being just a money grab but we realize bowls are too, right?
Some players might hang around for a playoff game but it's unrealistic to believe that nobody will do so. Do you really think no players will look out for their own professional interest?See my oth
See my other post. Apparently you don’t think there’s a difference between bowls and playoff games.
I think the bowls always mattered. The AP & Coaches polls think they matter and I'm pretty sure that PSU's Peach Bowl game vs Mississippi matters just as much or more than the Michigan State game. The players, coaches, and fans sure acted like last year's Rose Bowl win mattered.Most bowls never mattered, but players didn't use to skip them. But now they do.
But without a playoff there was a perception that the bowls mattered. Once that was created and it expands bowls becoming obviously irrelevant and meaningful.Most bowls never mattered, but players didn't use to skip them. But now they do.
In terms of a college player that has done well enough that he suspects he has a big NFL payday coming, the college football playoff games don't matter. They matter to the fans but not to that player, who stands to lose a lot of money if he gets an injury.
The NFL won't accept players skipping meaningful games? I doubt that. If a star player skipped a college football playoff game and the NFL responded by not drafting him I think there would be a giant lawsuit.