Michigan is better than us right now. I dont think anyone would disagree with that. We just need to be better than them on November 11th.
Weird how none of the loudmouths can explain how PSU's Offense sucks, but they lead the Conference in Points Scored......
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Okay, I'll play.
What makes you think Michigan is better than PSU? And definitely so?
Looking at schedules and results, which team has the better resume'?
They went to the playoff last year, pounded us last year and brought back a strong majority of their production from last year. They have pounded all of the crappy teams that they played. Not sure why it matters whos had better playoff resume up to this point.
They’d be favored over us today on a neutral…and in a market as efficient as college football, it’s a pretty good indicator. However, we just need to beat them once, and have the advantage of being at home.
Reality...their experience and recent success
Doesn't mean we can't win but we all know they're the favorite in the conference right now.
You have convinced me you're not really a PS fan. You come on here to argue with people. Here's a good one for you .... the sky is blue
If you don't think I'm a Penn State that's you're own bad read. I agree with a lot of things said here but don't believe we're perfect. We're not. Singleton has been a huge disappointment. 3.8/carry. There's no debating that other than blind support.
Wow Lando is actually admitting that we are not perfect. Whst is happening!?!?! Finally!?!?!!
Hey I get your point but IF we are able to put together 15 play 80 yard drives against Michigan and OSU and our defense plays its typical game I think we come out on top big play or not. In a sense the offense is the defense's best friend. Mix in a pick and a FF in enemy territory that is a formula for success. Heck, two years ago Michigan was almost identical. Everybody said they didn't have the explosiveness to handle OSU. They would win games 31-14, 34-14, etc. but they had the most efficient in control offense in the conference. In the second half of the game in Ann Arbor in the snow, they eventually wore down the Buckeyes and the game got out of hand. I'm not suggesting we are that good and I do recognize this comment is based on a very big IF but I do think there is a way to win these games without 80 yards runs and long bombs.
It means he is so insightful, experienced and knowledgeable he should
... OMG ....write a book on Offense... try to sell it. 😂
We are not going to put together 15 play 80 yard drives vs OSU. Im not expecting too many points vs the Buckeyes. I think our D needs to play great for us to win, in a score like 17-14 or somewhere around that.
Since always...that's why I'm falsely accused of being fans of everyone but Penn State
Probably will unil we play Ohio State
Then it will escalate regardless of the outcome
If we win, people will claims others are wrong not comprehending what the word "concern" means
If we lose, that same group will then accuse those that were concerned of somehow being happy we lost
I would argue that it is impossible to know if Michigan is better than us right now because we haven't played. I think both teams have dismantled lesser foes. PSU stats are not quite as impressive as Michigan's but they have played slightly tougher teams.
But you are correct that we will find out in Nov.
Both teams have about the same OL, and DL lines, along with RB's from last year. Allar is the difference make. However, UM's two RB's ran for about 335 yards against us last year, while Allen and Singleton rushed for "35."
That is where the trouble lies again this year. We have to fix that running game and DL before Nov. 11.
That is where the trouble lies again this year. We have to fix that running game and DL before Nov. 11.
I generally agree. My point to the original post was you can win this game without splash plays. In fact IF and that is a big IF (probably not doable) you COULD stack 15 play 80 yard drives on either of these teams I like our chances! Do I think we are capable of that? No. BUT I do think we can win either and potentially both of these games with or without 75 yard runs and 60 yard pass plays.
But I think that's the point...against OSU and Michigan it's not realistic to expect us (or anyone)to sustain those types of drives. Which means we need to either create short fields with the D and ST and/or explosive plays.
2016-2019, 2022 - "we can't grind out drives and burn clock. We have to be able to do this." While doing well at explosive plays.
Today - "we aren't getting explosive plays. It's going to kill us down the road." While grinding out drives and burning clock.
It's rare that any one team can do both very well. Usually if they do, they are playoff bound. We aren't perfect, but hardly any team is right now. OSU has stacked top 3 recruiting classes for a decade and they have as many concerns as we do. Bama as well.
Today - "we aren't getting explosive plays. It's going to kill us down the road." While grinding out drives and burning clock.
It's rare that any one team can do both very well. Usually if they do, they are playoff bound. We aren't perfect, but hardly any team is right now. OSU has stacked top 3 recruiting classes for a decade and they have as many concerns as we do. Bama as well.
Georgia's a great example of a team that can do both BUT, to your point, if not asking to be in the top 30 in the country or anything crazy. We just need to be average.
Exactly, we are tied for dead last in the nation in plays of 20+ yards. Thats crazy. Top 30 seems very reasonable to me as well.
So, one team has been capable of this over the past 2-3 years. And truthfully, their '21 team wasn't very explosive the best I can remember and they haven't been a strong running team that grinds clock this year.
I get the point of it, but it's just not likely to improve greatly in all categories. Our defense and grinding have been high end and the rest below average. Just reality.
Michigan is capable
And a lot of teams are. Not everyone is USC. We won't bear Ohio State or Michigan without multiple big plays unless our D and ST give us an insane advantage with field position.
I also get what your saying but we can't be this reliant on long sustained drives against better teams. They'll force a mistake or make a play.
Wow I'm agreeing with Lando for once. Feels nice. Not many of us left who critique the team ever.
Michigan perhaps yes. They seem complete. Biggest problem they have is they wet the bed at the big dance, but they at least get there.
Other teams? Not so much. I can't name another that is good at big plays and grinding clock.
I'm not arguing that we will beat OSU nor Michigan without some big plays. I'm only pointing out that a limited # of teams possess the ability to do both.
Texas Oklahoma and even Ohio State have shown signs of doing both. I'm happy with the ball control offense but even in that the lack of chunk plays is still concerning. I want to see multiple big plays this weekend. No excuse against UMass not to.
