Put the he said, she said bullshit aside and answer this. Does keeping this staff taint the university to the point that it affects their endowment? If the answer is "yes", they're cleaning house
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I can't help but think the "other" scandals will impact this.Put the he said, she said bullshit aside and answer this. Does keeping this staff taint the university to the point that it affects their endowment? If the answer is "yes", they're cleaning house
Does OSU want to be known as primarily a football school, or a good academic school that also has a powerful football program?
They are already the latter. But their decision here in the next few weeks could make many in the general public think they are only the former.
President Drake's decision here will likely be the defining decision of his OSU Presidency.
Put everything else aside --- Urban lied at B1G Media Days 19 days ago and that lie has been exposed, thus embarrassed the University. That, IMO, is really cause enough for a firing.
If I had to bet - I think he's fired. We will see.
Put the he said, she said bullshit aside and answer this. Does keeping this staff taint the university to the point that it affects their endowment? If the answer is "yes", they're cleaning house
Irrespective of what happens it will hamstring Meyer. If he stays, teams will kill him on the recruiting trail. I believe he is too arrogant to alter his spiel about getting “his kids” to the league. Dantonio and Harbaugh will murder him. He will still recruit well, but it will have an effect. I think enough to pull him back to the pack in the conference.
Depends. With some recruits it will be a problem no matter how things turn out. With others, it depends on the conclusion. If Courtney Smith directly told Urban that her husband was whaling on her and Meyer did nothing, that's a big problem. That doesn't seem to be the case. Then it's a matter of who told him what and when. Depending on the detail, less of a problem. If no one told him anything, even less of a problem that eventually goes away.
Based on the texts we have seen, if Urban didn't know, it was willful blindness.
I suggest that Art’s comments are on the mark in reply to your post. My comments are that Ohio State has played right at the top of the college football world for the last 80 years, they have the overwhelming support of the entire state, and Ohio HS players will always have OSU on their list. This incident will be a tiny blip on the radar.Put the he said, she said bullshit aside and answer this. Does keeping this staff taint the university to the point that it affects their endowment? If the answer is "yes", they're cleaning house
Put the he said, she said bullshit aside and answer this. Does keeping this staff taint the university to the point that it affects their endowment? If the answer is "yes", they're cleaning house
Does OSU want to be known as primarily a football school, or a good academic school that also has a powerful football program?
They are already the latter. But their decision here in the next few weeks could make many in the general public think they are only the former.
OSU's average ACT score has risen from something like 23 five years ago to 29 last year. It costs $10,000 a year for in-state tuition at OSU compared to about $30,000 at PSU (I believe I say that here several months ago). The UM issue will have zero impact on OSU's academics or status. To the extent that a few, uninformed Leftist snowflakes may raise a ruckus, I say good riddance.
My son is a senior in HS this year, and I know that OSU is a very good deal. For instance, better than Miami of Ohio or Bowling Green.
In terms of the impact of one lie, it should be compared to a prominent member of PSU's faculty, Michael Mann, who has been caught lying and in an email deletion scheme and his efforts there were whitewashed by PSU in a non-investigation. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/07/climategate-and-the-big-green-lie/59709/ (PSU investigation so poor "it would be difficult to parody." From what I can see, this sorry episode hasn't affected PSU at all.
Also, Mann lied about having received a Nobel prize. See https://canadafreepress.com/article...l-mann-for-falsely-claiming-he-was-awarded-th (I will anticipate one response. He later said he made a mistake because he received a certificate and was mistaken. However, how could he honestly state he received the prize when he didn't receive Nobel money) Responses to this issue were discussed in detail on another thread, and I won't respond to Mann issues here again. Here is the thread. https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...fore-it-was-sealed.213663/page-8#post-3584634 (the 8th page)
And how many people know who the fvck Michael Mann is/was and what he did?
Was going to finish reading the remainder of the thread and ask this.And how many people know who the fvck Michael Mann is/was and what he did?
Thank you for making my point. What he did doesn't matter to anyone even though it goes to PSU's core academic function. He was well-known enough to make the Atlantic magazine and was an important figure in Climategate.
I appreciate the correction on PSU's tuition.
Did MM send his two closest friends to pressure the event to benefit him?
OSU has a bunch of bad sh!t going on in addition to Urban, yet you want to keep bringing up Mann. So ignore Urban, what about the other scandals going on at your beloved institution?OSU's average ACT score has risen from something like 23 five years ago to 29 last year. It costs $10,000 a year for in-state tuition at OSU compared to about $30,000 at PSU (I believe I saw that here several months ago). The UM issue will have zero impact on OSU's academics or status. To the extent that a few, uninformed Leftist snowflakes may raise a ruckus, I say good riddance.
My son is a senior in HS this year, and I know that OSU is a very good deal. For instance, better than Miami of Ohio or Bowling Green.
In terms of the impact of one lie, it should be compared to a prominent member of PSU's faculty, Michael Mann, who has been caught lying and in an email deletion scheme and his efforts there were whitewashed by PSU in a non-investigation. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/07/climategate-and-the-big-green-lie/59709/ (PSU investigation so poor "it would be difficult to parody." From what I can see, this sorry episode hasn't affected PSU at all.)
Also, Mann lied about having received a Nobel prize. See https://canadafreepress.com/article...l-mann-for-falsely-claiming-he-was-awarded-th (I will anticipate one response. He later said he made a mistake because he received a certificate [that about 400 other people received for an award to the IPCC of which he was a member] and was mistaken. However, how could he honestly state he received the prize when he didn't receive Nobel money) Responses to this issue were discussed in detail on another thread, and I won't respond to Mann issues here again. Here is the thread. https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...fore-it-was-sealed.213663/page-8#post-3584634 (the 8th page)
what about the other scandals going on at your beloved institution?
It says something unpleasant that Urban Meyer knowingly keeping an alleged wife beater on his staff for the better part of a decade isn’t even the most salacious scandal in Columbus these days.
OSU's average ACT score has risen from something like 23 five years ago to 29 last year. It costs $10,000 a year for in-state tuition at OSU compared to about $30,000 at PSU (I believe I saw that here several months ago). The UM issue will have zero impact on OSU's academics or status. To the extent that a few, uninformed Leftist snowflakes may raise a ruckus, I say good riddance.
My son is a senior in HS this year, and I know that OSU is a very good deal. For instance, better than Miami of Ohio or Bowling Green.
In terms of the impact of one lie, it should be compared to a prominent member of PSU's faculty, Michael Mann, who has been caught lying and in an email deletion scheme and his efforts there were whitewashed by PSU in a non-investigation. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/07/climategate-and-the-big-green-lie/59709/ (PSU investigation so poor "it would be difficult to parody." From what I can see, this sorry episode hasn't affected PSU at all.)
Also, Mann lied about having received a Nobel prize. See https://canadafreepress.com/article...l-mann-for-falsely-claiming-he-was-awarded-th (I will anticipate one response. He later said he made a mistake because he received a certificate [that about 400 other people received for an award to the IPCC of which he was a member] and was mistaken. However, how could he honestly state he received the prize when he didn't receive Nobel money) Responses to this issue were discussed in detail on another thread, and I won't respond to Mann issues here again. Here is the thread. https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...fore-it-was-sealed.213663/page-8#post-3584634 (the 8th page)
Some "alleged" wife beaters are innocent.
And, as for his knowledge, no one has heard from Shelly Meyer yet and her explanation of what occurred is one of the most important, if not most important, facet of the case.
Ever hear of "Spousal Privilege?" She could undergo colossal loss by implicating Urban.
look up Dr Swango.
Investigations Clear Scientists of WrongdoingOSU's average ACT score has risen from something like 23 five years ago to 29 last year. It costs $10,000 a year for in-state tuition at OSU compared to about $30,000 at PSU (I believe I saw that here several months ago). The UM issue will have zero impact on OSU's academics or status. To the extent that a few, uninformed Leftist snowflakes may raise a ruckus, I say good riddance.
My son is a senior in HS this year, and I know that OSU is a very good deal. For instance, better than Miami of Ohio or Bowling Green.
In terms of the impact of one lie, it should be compared to a prominent member of PSU's faculty, Michael Mann, who has been caught lying and in an email deletion scheme and his efforts there were whitewashed by PSU in a non-investigation. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/07/climategate-and-the-big-green-lie/59709/ (PSU investigation so poor "it would be difficult to parody." From what I can see, this sorry episode hasn't affected PSU at all.)
Also, Mann lied about having received a Nobel prize. See https://canadafreepress.com/article...l-mann-for-falsely-claiming-he-was-awarded-th (I will anticipate one response. He later said he made a mistake because he received a certificate [that about 400 other people received for an award to the IPCC of which he was a member] and was mistaken. However, how could he honestly state he received the prize when he didn't receive Nobel money) Responses to this issue were discussed in detail on another thread, and I won't respond to Mann issues here again. Here is the thread. https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...fore-it-was-sealed.213663/page-8#post-3584634 (the 8th page)
Quick someone start a thread on the Holocaust and maybe dailybuck777 can deny that happened either.
Spousal privilege only applies in court. This is not in court. However, based on a tweet in support of Jeff Snook, I do expect her explanation of what happened to be very helpful to UM.
Betweenhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidc...ask-does-the-big-ten-have-a-cultural-problem/
At this very moment, Ohio State finds itself embroiled in two separate cases that surely disturb the sane Buckeyes fans among us.
It says something unpleasant that Urban Meyer knowingly keeping an alleged wife beater on his staff for the better part of a decade isn’t even the most salacious scandal in Columbus these days. Not when a former team doctor, the late Richard Strauss, stands accused of molesting as many as 2,500 former Buckeyes athletes
So everything that has ever happened at Penn State should be used against them, but nothing should be used against OSU...got it.Made up crap about OSU mishandling diving club sexual assault matter when OSU fired coach 2 weeks after it was reported. 20 years after the fact attacking OSU for what a dead doctor did 20 years ago, which has no relation to OSU today.
Swango was a murderer/neurosurgeon who reflected very poorly on his department at the OSU medical school in the early 1980s. How does that apply to UM 35 years later.
So, if you think there is any value to her stating she said little or nothing to Urban, publicly or in court,