Tesla - exited short sale
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Hell find another thread to Eeyore. Such a Debbie downer.
My husband likes cars, and he has two Teslas — the first one that came out (S I think) and the bigger one with the winged doors. He put the chargers in all of our garages so they can charge at home. He says they are really safe, so I’m thinking that we should get one for our 16 year old as I want the absolute safest car possible for her since young people get in accidents a lot. This thread worries me though. If Tesla goes bankrupt would that be a problem for people who own their cars? She currently drives an Acura MDX — is that ok safetywise?
Tesla and Ford are the only US auto manufacturers yet to experience a bankruptcy. It’s a tough industry. With Tesla having sold 600,000 total cars now and having 1M in sight next year, I think they are as well positioned as any other car company; perhaps better given global emissions regulations coming into effect.
The Acura is plenty safe but not comparable to a Tesla because of the rigid floor and crumple zones uniquely enabled my an EV.
I think they are as well positioned as any other car company; perhaps better given global emissions regulations coming into effect.
They are in the best position as they don't need any credit offsets for emissions since their cars don't produce any. So they sell 100% of their emission credits to old school car producers. And the income derived has zero incremental cost to Tesla. They just signed a big deal with Fiat Chrysler for Europe.
The Financial Times noted that Fiat Chrysler will pay Tesla $1.8 billion euros ($2 billion U.S.) to pool the two companies' emissions credits in Europe through 2022.
The European Union has set a target to reduce emissions across the Continent by 25 percent by 2022. The reductions would require increases in fuel economy from 45 mpg to 57 mpg on official tests by 2022.
The European Union has set a target to reduce emissions across the Continent by 25 percent by 2022. The reductions would require increases in fuel economy from 45 mpg to 57 mpg on official tests by 2022.
Here is another video showing the unbelievably long line waiting for a turn at a supercharger. It took these people way more than 2 hours to get their car charged.
Wow. So the lines are shorter at the supercharges provided by GM, Ford, VW, etc., etc?
Are you really trying to justify your BS claim that it takes 2 hours to charge a Tesla by posting a video that shows that peak demand during holiday travel in SoCal creates lines?
The rationing of gas during the oil crisis of the 70s created massive lines across the country. And there are usually long lines at gas pumps when hurricane evacuations occur. So what was your point again?
Are you really trying to equate holiday travel to a hurricane evacuation?
He loves moving the goalposts around. He also loves to say there is no demand for the cars
Equating holiday travel to a hurricane evacuation? Absolutely!
Both are EQUALLY irrelevant when it comes to the BS claim that supercharging requires 2 hours.
Uh oh. I liked it better when everyone hated the stock
You should definitely not get financial advice from anonymous people on the internet.
It has always seemed to me that the anti-Tesla folks exist in an information bubble. Sad. Also, odd.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-china-price-idUSKBN1Z206A
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-china-price-idUSKBN1Z206A
Many people are scared of or just don’t like change. Some have vested financial interests in keeping the status quo as well. I bet they sound very similar to the horse and carriage drivers of the early 1900s
If you have been paying attention to what is going on with battery technology, you will know that some pretty significant advancements are likely soon. So the EV you buy today could be totally outclassed within five years by newer versions that charge in far less time, have much longer range and cost less. This is a problem with technologies that aren’t mature for consumers and producers
The battery obsolescence risk you describe is real but has not proven to be a meaningful deterrent for truly disruptive tech. It would be like saying “I’m going to buy another Blackberry because the touch screen resolution, OS, memory, App Store integration and camera on the iPhone 2 will be better than on the iPhone 1”.
Guess I'll have to just live with never going to a gas station, spending a half hour stopping on trips instead of 10 minutes, all while driving a great car that will blow the doors off of whatever your puttering around in. Oh, the misery that is my life!!!! Then, in five years I'll trade it in, or hand it down and get the newer technology.
So what’s your solution? Buy a new ICE car that is currently outclassed because you’re worried that the current EV offering may be outclassed in 5 years? That doesn’t seem very logical
Developing technologies is a ‘problem’ we have managed to navigate in the cell phone, TV, and computer industries for the last 20 years. I think we’ll be ok
There are also a lot of people who just don’t want electrical vehicles to exist. When TJ was here, he was one of those guys. He was just opposed to their very existence.
Over the holidays, my family got into a small discussion oh hybrids and EVs. I hadn't heard, but my dad mentioned that several states are increasing the annual registration fee for EVs by hundreds of dollars to make up for lost highway (fuel) taxes. Anyone hear about this?
True and makes sense if they are going to try to continue to get revenue for road construction/maintenance from gas taxes. As less gas vehicles are on the road, the costs to maintain don't go down, but the revenue will. Without getting into a debate about the rationale for a gas tax, the revenue is necessary.
Honda is claiming they will have an EV in 2022 that will charge in fifteen minutes.
If that is even close to being the case, who is going to want to buy or continue to deal with an EV that requires several hours ?
The question should be asked, though, as to why an EV is better than an ICE vehicle in practical terms for the owner ?
This "Tesla killer" is appearing to have some issues:
According to a report by Germany’s Manager Magazin, Volkswagen is experiencing “massive difficulties” with the software for its ID.3 electric sedans. Apparently, the first 10,000 cars built do not have over-the-air update capability — a critical component of any modern electric vehicle and something pioneered by Tesla as far back as 2012. No automaker has genuinely followed Tesla’s lead on this so far, but there’s a lot of chatter they will with coming EVs, like the ID lineup.
To make matters worse, the next batch of 10,000 cars will also lack over-the-air update capability. All of the cars are being stored in parking lots rented by the company until such time as Volkswagen computer experts can get to them and update their software architecture, probably sometime around May of next year. The first cars are not scheduled to be delivered to customers until the summer of 2020.
Volkswagen has placed special emphasis on the software capabilities of its electric cars. It says it wants to develop its own operating system and sell the technology to other manufacturers. But OTA capability is a critical component of any such operating system and so far Volkswagen is behind the 8 ball with its current software package.
To make matters worse, the next batch of 10,000 cars will also lack over-the-air update capability. All of the cars are being stored in parking lots rented by the company until such time as Volkswagen computer experts can get to them and update their software architecture, probably sometime around May of next year. The first cars are not scheduled to be delivered to customers until the summer of 2020.
Volkswagen has placed special emphasis on the software capabilities of its electric cars. It says it wants to develop its own operating system and sell the technology to other manufacturers. But OTA capability is a critical component of any such operating system and so far Volkswagen is behind the 8 ball with its current software package.
Honda is claiming they will have an EV in 2022 that will charge in fifteen minutes.
If that is even close to being the case, who is going to want to buy or continue to deal with an EV that requires several hours ?
Because you can't drive a press release?
The question should be asked, though, as to why an EV is better than an ICE vehicle in practical terms for the owner ?
They are super quiet and vibration free so trips are much more comfortable.
All torque is available at zero rpm.
Fuel costs are much lower.
Maintenance costs are much lower.
No trips to the gas station, you start out every day with a "full tank".
You can have the car "start" and precondition the interior while enclosed in a garage.
Fuel costs are predictable. What will gas prices be next week? Next year? What will they be tomorrow if someone starts a war in the mid east today? Where I live you can easily sign up for multi year contracts for electricity.
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To be fair he was opposed to anything that opposed the oil industry. He was also a loon.
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