You Keep moving the goal posts. Several months ago infection rates were very low and STILL the young were unaffected.
OT: USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates
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What are you talking about? You Leo changing things; now, before. Omicron, Delta. 65, 70
Different conversation and one blast of Narcan isn’t filling emergency rooms and hospitals For long expensive stays. Junkies are also not contagious. You can stand behind a junkie at 7 11 and not be affected to his or her cravings.
But certainly it is a local, state and National policy discussion that needs to be had.
We pay a heavy price for junkies. Each and every one of us.
And a Supreme Court Justice just loed about it ...time to see how much Pfizer or Moderna stock she and her family own.
Didn’t she claim something like 100,000 kids in intensive care when they CDC number is like less than 4,000?
My sisters is a physician assistant at family practice. She’s told me today she’s seeing less severe symptoms in patients. Sinus issues and sore throat
Just a thought on why African American’s have the lowest vaccination rates. Ever hear of the Tuckaseegee experiments or the NIH experimentation of AIDS drugs on NYC orphans? Those things tend to build distrust…
So here are my main issues with the vaccine situation. Keep in mind I am vaxxed and encourage people to be so.
1) Why are some many healthcare workers.......nurses, aides, EMTS, firemen and police....refusing to get vaxxed. Reports say over 25% are so adamant about it that they are willing to be fired and give up the careers they’d worked so hard to achieve? And these front line workers are the ones that have seen first hand how many people suffered terribly. Have seen how people died after weeks on ventilators and all alone since no family members were allowed to visit. They have seem loved ones say their final goodbyes on cell phones! And they went to work, day after day, knowing they get get seriously ill or even die from it. Even saw coworkers and friends die.
How can they give up everything to avoid a shot that would prevent them from all that pain and suffering? Could it be they saw a lot of people have bad reactions to the shots? What else would them so steadfast against being vaccinated? Or could it be that most of them already had Covid and thus have substantial immunity to it? Or do they believe the shots don’t work? I don’t know but it is very strange.
Which segways nicely with point 2) What about natural immunity? From the start we were told this would only stop when we get to herd immunity. Some combination of vaccinations and natural immunity was the magic answer. But now we hear nothing about natural immunity. All those frontline workers most likely have it but now that doesn’t matter. They must get the shot or lose their jobs even though hospitals are desperately understaffed and over worked. Why not allow a blood test and permit people with immunity to continue working. Allow them to travel, work, eat out, live life. Why do we not have any data on how many people end up hospitalized after a second or third infection. Doesn’t make any sense at all.
3) There is a huge credibility issue with the government and not just the missteps, distortions, and lies told early on. They claim this is an urgent issue with all our lives in danger, the economy at risk, and even the country. It is so critical that they will fire people, shame people, close schools and businesses, quarantine anyone that tests positive. Yet we have a wide open southern border and there have been roughly 2 million people cross illegally in the past year. These people are processed, ID’d , given food and water, showers, new clothes, and then they schedule an immigration hearing a year into the future....and then fly or bus them to cities all across the country. Several flights have gone to Erie, others to New York.
And guess what they don’t do? They don’t test them for Covid unless they are very sick. And they don’t give any of them vaccines before releasing them. If only 10% are positive that is 200,000 Covid carriers spreading it all across the country. And since theyhave been traveling together for weeks, held in large detention halls, Fed in mass meals, the percentage is probably much higher.
And those figures are just what we count through processing stations. It doesn’t count the gotaways illegals that snuck across and ran from agents and were never counted. These are the drug mules, the gang members, the criminals. Many estimates say there over 150,000-200,000 but no one knows.
Having an open border during what is the worst pandemic in over a century is just crazy. If they are serious about the dangers of this pandemic and about stopping it, close the borders until this is over or at least under control. Says something is really fishy here.
These are the biggest questions I have. A very strange set of circumstances.
1) Why are some many healthcare workers.......nurses, aides, EMTS, firemen and police....refusing to get vaxxed. Reports say over 25% are so adamant about it that they are willing to be fired and give up the careers they’d worked so hard to achieve? And these front line workers are the ones that have seen first hand how many people suffered terribly. Have seen how people died after weeks on ventilators and all alone since no family members were allowed to visit. They have seem loved ones say their final goodbyes on cell phones! And they went to work, day after day, knowing they get get seriously ill or even die from it. Even saw coworkers and friends die.
How can they give up everything to avoid a shot that would prevent them from all that pain and suffering? Could it be they saw a lot of people have bad reactions to the shots? What else would them so steadfast against being vaccinated? Or could it be that most of them already had Covid and thus have substantial immunity to it? Or do they believe the shots don’t work? I don’t know but it is very strange.
Which segways nicely with point 2) What about natural immunity? From the start we were told this would only stop when we get to herd immunity. Some combination of vaccinations and natural immunity was the magic answer. But now we hear nothing about natural immunity. All those frontline workers most likely have it but now that doesn’t matter. They must get the shot or lose their jobs even though hospitals are desperately understaffed and over worked. Why not allow a blood test and permit people with immunity to continue working. Allow them to travel, work, eat out, live life. Why do we not have any data on how many people end up hospitalized after a second or third infection. Doesn’t make any sense at all.
3) There is a huge credibility issue with the government and not just the missteps, distortions, and lies told early on. They claim this is an urgent issue with all our lives in danger, the economy at risk, and even the country. It is so critical that they will fire people, shame people, close schools and businesses, quarantine anyone that tests positive. Yet we have a wide open southern border and there have been roughly 2 million people cross illegally in the past year. These people are processed, ID’d , given food and water, showers, new clothes, and then they schedule an immigration hearing a year into the future....and then fly or bus them to cities all across the country. Several flights have gone to Erie, others to New York.
And guess what they don’t do? They don’t test them for Covid unless they are very sick. And they don’t give any of them vaccines before releasing them. If only 10% are positive that is 200,000 Covid carriers spreading it all across the country. And since theyhave been traveling together for weeks, held in large detention halls, Fed in mass meals, the percentage is probably much higher.
And those figures are just what we count through processing stations. It doesn’t count the gotaways illegals that snuck across and ran from agents and were never counted. These are the drug mules, the gang members, the criminals. Many estimates say there over 150,000-200,000 but no one knows.
Having an open border during what is the worst pandemic in over a century is just crazy. If they are serious about the dangers of this pandemic and about stopping it, close the borders until this is over or at least under control. Says something is really fishy here.
These are the biggest questions I have. A very strange set of circumstances.
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Yep, I get why they are skeptical. My point was the callous and humaneless attitude by some here.
I don't know.
Sotomayor is the stupidest person to ever get on the supreme court. I really do not think she even understood algebra. I mean, that stupid.
That's just another example why Americans should not have any respect for their institutions at all - there's no way, in any fashion, that any intelligent person can respect Sonia Sotomayor in a leadership position.
And now this! BTW they never worked to begin with!
www.pennlive.com
Cloth masks won’t protect against the omicron variant of COVID-19, experts say
Instead, experts recommend people wear N95 or KN95 masks to protect against omicron.
The whole "masks don't work with Omicron" is designed to allow stupid sheeple to transition to not being mask Karens without cognitive dissonance.And now this! BTW they never worked to begin with!
Cloth masks won’t protect against the omicron variant of COVID-19, experts say
Instead, experts recommend people wear N95 or KN95 masks to protect against omicron.
The aerosolized particle distribution containing Omicron variant is exactly the same as the particle distribution containing Delta.
It floats in the air for the same amount of time.
So, to equate mask effectiveness to any variant is simply lying.
The actual correct statement is: "Only N95 masks worked, and only modestly. We were always lying to you."
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EXACTLY! I'll be waiting for the apologies from all the people that told me I was wrong on masks. But I they will probably tell me a fitted cloth mask works better! Just like the 10 and 14 days of isolation. It's always been 5 but they won't admit that.
That depends on where you live. Not to mention the strain an OD has on first responders whose services could have been used on more compliant and lawful citizens.
If a child is admitted for any reason, they are tested for covid19; if positive, he is in the hospital "with covid". Universal testing is also finding millions of cases that were undetected before. If they did universal antibody testing, they would see that the vast majority have either been vaccinated or had the disease. Very little of what the CDC and NIH have done with covid19 follows medical science. Today's Orlando Sentinel parrots the fear porn of these 2 agencies.
They should have protected the vulnerable and let everyone else live a normal life. Everything they and governors did prolonged the pandemic and may have doubled deaths.
They should have protected the vulnerable and let everyone else live a normal life. Everything they and governors did prolonged the pandemic and may have doubled deaths.
So ignore the pandemic....that would have been a disaster. Thank goodness your generation isn't really running much anymore. Hospitals would have been a nightmare and the mobile morgue industry would have been booming.
No moron that would have saved all the lives in nursing homes. You leftist are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO dumb
Right as nobody in the nursing homes goes home, goes out to eat, has kids.....nice try Tucker junior, but it would have been a failure. The nursing homes, ER, and OR's are all struggling with manning issues right now you dope.
The rest of the world is pretty much on par with believing this is real, but you and Tucker know best along with your Q nuts. Moderates thankfully are stepping in and realizing how stupid people became in the last 4 years. Then again dipsh!ts like you think everyone is a lefty that isn't yelling out your state run TV BS that was shoved down your throats and still is. The entertainment channel that makes people come on to apologize and kiss their arse if they don't say the right message....aka Ted Cruz. The only reason the hospitals and deaths aren't overrun is the majority in this country knew better and got the jabs....they weren't selfish little pu$$ies. You literally are the problem Q nut....GFY.
Yeah, it was soooo much better to force nursing homes to bring in carriers of a deadly disease to sweep through the homes and kill tens of thousands. Your ideologs did such a great job helping wipe out older worthless people you hate.
You really seem to have an anger issue. I hope you find some peace in your life somehow.
As if we couldn’t have given hazard pay to attendees of nursing homes.
Something like 2x pay to stay a week on, week off, replaced only with a double tested attendee coming on duty.
Even government garbage bureaucrats could manage that.
An article in the WSJ today reports that in mid December, the data from Great Britain showed that about 60% of those hospitalized in ICU units were unvaccinated, even though the unvaccinated only comprised 9% of the adult population. Those vaccinated people in ICU tend to be people who suffer from serious underlying conditions aggravated by Covid.
Well the factual data is in the 3 weeks In The middle of December in the UK 26% of deaths were unvaxxed. And as of yesterday 87% of adults over 18 were fully vaxxed. Not sure where the wsj is getting their info but my data is straight from the UKs page. btw most people who die and are in the icu have underlying conditions whether vaxxed or not. That’s not new.
How can the two be meaningfully different?
Did wsj link to UK report?
I saw the death data myself.
Right but rhe UK doesnt put that out. One would think you are in icu before death. Plus the vaccine rate is wrong
Lets assume that the vaccination rate is 87%. Why does 13% of the adult population of Great Britain make up 60% of those in ICU?
If vaccinations have nothing to do with whether one requires ICU treatment with Covid, what factors in the unvaxed would cause such a disproportionate result. I guess if the unvaxed suffered from serious underlying conditions to a much greater degree that those who were vaccinated, that would be a possible cause. A statistician/mathematician could determine how much greater that degree would have to be to result in the disproportionate percentage of unvaxed in ICU, although that difference might have to be so large so as to discount that as a cause.
What else could cause this if the vaccine didn't lessen the chances of ending up in the ICU?
My point was look at the deaths...how do 74% of deaths come from 40% of icu patients? My point is the 60% number cant be accurate. And remeber when those deaths caught covid 87% wasnt vaxxed.
He's been like that for a while. Seems to hate people who have viewpoints different than his own.
Obi I’ve figured out your biggest character flaws. Independent thought and common sense. You never get anywhere in life with those qualities. You need to embrace the beehive mind set. 🤣
Imagine how flipped out we’d all get if they hade been testing for the common flu like we now test for CoVid... and show us a running count and “incent” hospitals to record cases being treated. Do u the ink it would have been any different? No.
The elite have now found a way to control the common folk through a fear factor. Masks and vaccines only reduce your chances to get seriously sick. Heck, our experts, including Supreme Court justices don’t know what they are talking about. Fight back people. Fight back.
The elite have now found a way to control the common folk through a fear factor. Masks and vaccines only reduce your chances to get seriously sick. Heck, our experts, including Supreme Court justices don’t know what they are talking about. Fight back people. Fight back.
There was a recent FOI filed against the CDC. The FOI requested all data on natural immunity be turned over. The CDC didn’t respond to the request. So the FOI went before judge. CDC was required to turn over all documentation. Once again they didn’t hand over documentation. When asked why they didn’t hand documentation over the CDC stated they were not keeping any data on natural immunity. It blows my mind that data is not being kept on natural immunity. Common sense would tell you the first thing to study in a pandemic is natural immunity.
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Because every cough, every sore throat, every sniffle has people scared they have Covid. People that usually worked through minor colds are going to get checked. Either by protocol or because of media fear porn.
He's strictly an oppositionist. Far left, clinging the company line until they change it again. Any hint of opposing his views and you get name called. You can't converse with people like that. They are either paid to be here or severely brainwashed/under the influence.
There isn't a "cure," but then you look at Uttar Pradesh, a densely populated province in India. Delta was burning through its population. Desperate, the provincial govt started handed out packages of medicine for people to take when symptoms started. Amazingly, serious disease numbers crashed.
Now the crazy part is that our esteemed president apparently talked to the provincial leaders and then they decided not to release details of the meds they are dispensing.
Can you imagine:
-a worldwide pandemic that is killing people
-in the West, they don't treat patients until they reach hospitalization status
-in India, tens of thousands of lives are saved by dispensing meds for early treatment at home and then declines to share the details of their amazing success.
This is torch and pitchfork territory.
Where did I say IGNORE? PROTECT PEOPLE OVER 65 WHO ARE ABOUT 85% of deaths. Protect the obese, ashma, etc. THAT IS THE SCIENCE, not to lock down everyone. THAT IS THE SCIENCE.
