Accountability must be as administered to China for lack of transparency.
OT: USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates
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Well. "Trump/Fox/ONN" doesn't seem like that means followers. If it did isn't the list a bit redundant? Finally and I have asked this repeatedly Trump had Covid so he had antibodies, when Trump was in the hospital he received mono clonal antibodies. Despite a double dose of antibodies he went and got vaccinated as soon as he was eligible. Why in the world would someone who "followed Trump" decide against vaccinations? Makes no sense.
Seriously? His post literally said “2) Trump/Fox/ONN followers”. How could it not mean followers when that’s exactly what it said?
How come he hid the fact he got the vaccine for 2 months? I'll wait for a rational response on that and let you spin that up as good leadership. There are groups of people on the left and right not getting it....this idea that isn't true is a joke. It's not a mystery, that is what is actually occurring in this country. These 2 sh!t parties and sh!t leaders in them have done a great job creating partisan freaks that do not care about anyone that doesn't think exactly like they do. It's an American problem, but people have issues calling their own out....ON BOTH SIDES.
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That's a reasonable perspective...which doesn't contradict anything in my post.
What most definitely does NOT feel good...and glaringly contradicts the ongoing experience of countries like Israel, Iceland, and the UK...is the scapegoating and demonization of people who haven't been vaccinated.
One thing we know about our supposed Best and Brightest: when they're wrong, which happens with regularity, they don't learn from their errors but rather double down on them.
Again, as I just noted in a response to tgar, it's not that I necessarily disagree with the points you make above...but neither do they refute what I said in my earlier post.
The fact is that Israel's experience tracks that of another country, namely Iceland, where vaccination rates are high...yet significant numbers of vaccinated people are being infected...and hospitalized.
As to the notion that the biology of Israeli people may somehow make them more vulnerable to Covid, there's not the slightest bit of scientific or medical data to support that.
It's good that public health officials change recommendations based on emerging data, but after their airy assurances of the past prove mistaken, it would be even better if they brought some humility to the task rather than providing yet more airy assurances while casting about for scapegoats.
About the boosters, indeed, the handwriting has been on the wall for some weeks now. Yet even if a booster is hurriedly deployed, with no studies done on possible side effects of yet a third shot, six months down the road we could find ourselves back in the same leaky boat anyway.
Meanwhile, here's the headline and lead from an article this morning in another establishment media outlet, the Washington Post:
>>U.S. officials reviewing possibility Moderna vaccine is linked to higher risk of uncommon side effect than previously thought: Federal health officials are investigating emerging reports that the Moderna coronavirus vaccine may be associated with a higher risk of a heart condition called myocarditis in younger adults than previously believed, according to two people familiar with the review who emphasized the side effect still probably remains uncommon.<<
Probably remains uncommon. Oh. But colleges all over the country are mandating the vaccine for the "younger adults" who attend their institutions. Like, maybe we should try and nail down just how uncommon this "probably uncommon" cardiological side effect is for them.
As a matter of fact, wasn't there a clamor to shut down the entire college football season last year because one player at one school developed myocarditis as a possible complication of Covid?
1.02M shots yesterday so total up to 359.6M with the 7 day rolling average at 0.823M. 85.3% of shots administered is the national average, 60.2% of population with 1+ dose (77.5% of the adult population), 51.1% of population fully vaccinated.
So far, 200 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 170 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.
154,917 positives reported yesterday compared to 150,148 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 140,499.
Fatality was 967 reported yesterday compared to 816 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 769.
Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 76,077 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 74,602 compared to one week ago 62,230 up 22.3%.
Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 11,521 compared yesterday 7-day average of 11,379 compared to one week ago 16,492 up 14.2%.
So the good data point is that new hospital admissions are starting to flatten out as can be seen by the day over day hardly climbing and the week over week percent increase decreasing.
The daily positive curve is not at the same percent increase but what I was hoping was a plateau appears to be just a change in percent increase. So good that the slope of the daily positive is starting to go down, but still seems to be weeks off from actually hitting the plateau.
I'm cautiously optimistic but we'll have to see the back to school numbers which is about a month out. My kids just went back full time this week so in a week or two we'll kind of see the fallout locally where I'm at.
i think back to school is going to be another spike coming. that is why i don't see this going back down anytime soon, probably be late September before we plateau. I know anecdotally a colleague in the North Carolina office wife is a school nurse. They went back to school last week. She said it has been minor chaos. A lot of positives and then contact tracing, etc...way, way worse then when they started last year she said. Unlike the other virus variants, appears Delta can transmit through younger kids so I see a lot of positives coming from schools and then back through the parents, etc...
It's confusing. A couple of weeks ago we were told that this is an epidemic of the unvaccinated and that 95% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people. Now we're hearing that vaccines only help for 8 months. It's one thing to get vaccinated. It's another thing to keep getting boosters every 8 months and being told that you still have to wear a mask and that the vaccine is only 50% effective. That's a tough sell.
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What happened to school age kids being much less likely to get, spread, or get sick from the virus? Some say the Delta variant is different but the CDC is still reporting only 361 deaths involving Covid for kids age 0-17. Only two of those have occurred this month. Maybe it's bad data but they say it's as of August 18th.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge
The best and brightest have always been correct in everyone get vaccinated. Over 65 first, next segment after that all the way down to teenagers now. I have never heard messaging from the science or medical community that didn’t encourage every single available person to get vaccinated.
I have heard over and over unvaccinated dimwits double down with nonsense.
The scapegoating was inevitable as the body count of hospitalized without being vaccinated climbed to a significant level and rapidly.
Let’s be clear, other than if you can’t be vaccinated for a medical reason and you choose not to be vaccinated, you are part of the problem.
I have been told in this thread that the messaging hasn't changed at all. And that using the term "messaging" is a no-no.
So you really haven't heard that the Delta is more likely to get sick or spread the virus than the original virus among school age children, even toddlers? Makes sense that you had not heard that. Then again we should just ignore information if it's new on something that can mutate or change. I mean if something evolves, it's best to just ignore that.
you are equating deaths of school age kids to transmission? So that is your issue as that is not correct. A very healthy person can get covid, have minor sickness and still transmit the virus to many other people. that healthy person never ends up in the hospital or dead. All variants to date had extremely low transmission rates amongst the younger kids, hence why the schools that did remain open last year really saw very little spread in them. The Delta variant appears to have a much higher transmission rate amonst younger kids. So now kids are spreading to kids, and kids are spreading to adults, etc...that is why i think we see a spike here over the next few weeks as all these kids get back to school and we have a lot of spread amongst them and then backup through the parents.
Why do you put words in my mouth. I never said to ignore anything. I suggested that the information we get seems inconsistent and confusing. I understand that the Delta variant might be different but the link from the CDC only shows a total of 2 deaths of kids age 0-17 in August through the 18th.
In a related item.... We keep hearing about the huge outbreak in Florida. I l did a google search this morning and it's story after story. I'm not denying any of it but then I see this:
It looks to me like the cases and deaths are way down. Maybe you think this data is wrong and perhaps it is. As I said, my point is that the messaging has been inconsistent.
After what has been going on lately with the current administration that is a rich statement - we seem as a country to be unable to find a competent leader - the current one is worse than the last one.
No, I'm just saying that the messaging has been inconsistent and confusing. I see stories about high hospitalization rates and that many of them are young children. I believe the hospitalizations are up but how many are young children and how sick are they getting? I certainly believe that kids can transmit the virus but I've also heard that they tend to be asymptomatic and are less likely to spread the virus. Are asymptomatic kids now just as likely to spread the virus or is it still much less common than with symptomatic adults? Perhaps the messaging is clear and consistent in your mind but not in mine.
It's difficult to have a rational conversation with psu_et_vt. He's often angry and gets his "facts" wrong.
You can almost see the spittle flying at his phone screen.
It's confusing if you don't like hearing things I guess. It's evolving and things are changing, but maybe that just confuses you. I'm not sure how or why it's confusing to say more kids are now getting the virus or passing it on with the new string. What exactly is the confusing part?Why do you put words in my mouth. I never said to ignore anything. I suggested that the information we get seems inconsistent and confusing. I understand that the Delta variant might be different but the link from the CDC only shows a total of 2 deaths of kids age 0-17 in August through the 18th.
In a related item.... We keep hearing about the huge outbreak in Florida. I l did a google search this morning and it's story after story. I'm not denying any of it but then I see this:
It looks to me like the cases and deaths are way down. Maybe you think this data is wrong and perhaps it is. As I said, my point is that the messaging has been inconsistent.
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Symptoms and causes
www.mayoclinic.org
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Your ridiculous strawman arguments probably drive him crazy.
couple of things.
there appear to many more symptomatic kids now versus a year ago. was before 5% and now 25%, nobody knows as the CDC won't tell us. but based on anecdotal evidence and a lot more kids testing positive, I think I believe that Delta is hitting kids a lot harder than before.
what percent of kids are in the hospital and what are their co-morbidities the CDC won't tell us. Shame on them as they are using 'kids in hospital' as fear porn now. We see no data on kids in hospital or the few kids that do unfortunately die, what were co-morbidities and did they die of Covid or with Covid.
It's confusing if you don't like hearing things I guess. It's evolving and things are changing, but maybe that just confuses you. I'm not sure how or why it's confusing to say more kids are now getting the virus or passing it on with the new string. What exactly is the confusing part?
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Symptoms and causes
The confusing part is what the CDC has and is still doing to manipulate the numbers, especially for the pediatric cases. Gets back to that trust thing again.
I know it's so confusing to you too. Kids are more likely to catch or pass on Delta....seems like that information is out there, but apparently that is confusing. That has been occurring more in the last couple of months with Delta so the data being gathered is still new. They cannot forward project the numbers and certain states report numbers differently. Things will continue to change and evolve.....oh well.
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That's my point.
On a side note I wish there should be a compromise on the requirement for kids to wear masks in school. Why can't kids wear them on the bus but take them off when seated at their desk? It would be much like the rules for restaurants or grocery stores. It's one thing to have to wear the mask for a short time but all day long is much more difficult. JMO.
Wait until people start heading back inside in the northern part of the country, then we’ll see another spike.
Teachers and government union workers aren't required to get vaccinated, because, well...
I wonder if that's what's currently happening in Florida. Last summer they had a spike and now it's happening again. Do people stay inside in Florida during the hot summers much like people stay inside up north in November?
The CDC and Pfizer don't require their employees to be vaccinated, why? But hey, everyone should run out and get vaccinated, no matter how small their risk from Covid is.
I do want the booster. We won't hit the 8 month mark until late October. Problem is, we're going away in early October and would like to have had it before leaving. Anybody have a feel for if it is likely we could walk into our pharmacy in late September and be allowed to get the shot? We're both over 65.
Now this is what I call crystal clear messaging.
www.yahoo.com
Whitmer, state's chief medical official not on same page on statewide school mask mandates
Indications of a divide on pandemic policy within the Whitmer administration emerged Wednesday as Michigan’s chief medical executive said she had recommended the state impose statewide school mask mandates – a recommendation the governor apparently did not follow.
That’s what I’ve read….southern states get the spike when it’s hot, northern states when it gets cold.
So leaving it up to the local school district for now is confusing? The ones with the actual boots on the ground and see what is going on versus some governors who have simply said there will be no mask mandates no matter what is going on. To only have the school districts where it is bad say F__K you we will still protect the kids. None of which has to do with the vaccine BTW where it's pretty clear you should get the jab.Now this is what I call crystal clear messaging.
Whitmer, state's chief medical official not on same page on statewide school mask mandates
Indications of a divide on pandemic policy within the Whitmer administration emerged Wednesday as Michigan’s chief medical executive said she had recommended the state impose statewide school mask mandates – a recommendation the governor apparently did not follow.
Would would have thunk these governors are Politicians playing a game with our health? From the left and right....no kidding, but it's still not confusing unless you try and make it confusing or simply lack the ability to think for yourself.
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Your last paragraph is spot on and so many here fall into that category
