It had to devolve in a self-inflicted manner to present itself with that evolution opportunity.
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Don't disagree with you. As someone else noted, it becomes very close when you realize that Int'l Officials are going to generally consider hand and arm work aimed at holding off an opponent's clench attempts- and to gain separation in setup to a potential shot attempt - are generally going to be viewed as being the "passive wrestler" until you actually shoot.
However, I agree with you that Sudalev had plenty of action where he would clearly be judged to be the "passive wrestler". I had made a post about the mandatory 2-Minute Passivity Warning and Shot-Clock earlier (which is actually a "scoring clock" - i.e., even a 1-Point Pushout counts I believe... IOW doesn't have to be a TD) - there is no reason the calculation of who has been the more "net passive" wrestler at the end of 2 minutes has to be so subjective - a table Official (or even mat-side Official) could be tasked to evaluate and calculate this statistic making it much more "objective". It is very subjective when the mat Official is making the call without really looking at the clock and evaluating the precise figures - they really can't focus on that when they have too officiate the overall match taking place.
Here’s a solution if not already mentioned.....but will never happen....insert folk style into the Olympics then we can watch the rest of worlds’ heads explode as they try to understand our rules. Then we could all piss and moan in unity!😉
On serious note, as Grass mentioned earlier......
On serious note, as Grass mentioned earlier......
......this is where I am! Thank you Grass for your eloquence!
USA wrestling rulebook Here is what USA Wrestling puts out regarding freestyle and greco rules. There is also a link at the end of the Table of Contents to download the rule book. I highlighted criteria for determining a winner at the end of a bout since there has been some confusion on it. Maybe we can all study up so any future freestyle discussions are more , shall I say, informedI have included some highlights for us all:
If the point total is equal at the end of a match, the following criteria will determine the winner, in this order:
- Highest value scoring actions (most 5 point actions, most 4 point actions, most 2 point actions)
- Least number of accrued cautions
- Last point scored
Visible pushouts in either style will not be scored. If a wrestler visibly pushes out their opponent (for e.g.-straight arm push-out), they will be given an “attention”. Any subsequent pushouts will not be scored for either athlete. The “pushing” wrestler will NOT be penalized with a caution and points for his or her opponent. Video - pushing out no points
- TAKEDOWN: awarded to the wrestler who takes his opponent to the mat with control and the defensive wrestler hit 3 points of contact (head, hands, elbows, and knees). All takedowns are worth two points. To achieve a takedown the offensive wrestler must:
- Pass behind their opponent from a par terre position.
- Take their opponent down to the mat from a standing position and pass behind their opponent's hips.
- Gain control of one or both legs of his or her opponent while that wrestler is on his or her hip or in a sitting position on his or her backside while the plane of the defensive wrestler’s back is less than 90 degrees towards the mat all while the defensive wrestler plants their hand or elbow on the mat.
- Lock up a cradle position while the defensive wrestler does not actively hold the leg of the offensive wrestler. In this case, it is not necessary to pass behind the hips of the defensive wrestler.
- Examples that are not takedowns - if the offensive wrestler spins behind his or her opponent and the defensive wrestler attains a quadpod position, it is not considered a takedown until the defensive wrestler’s head, elbow or knee contact the mat. The “Merkle” position, where one wrestler has his/her leg encircled inside the leg of his or her opponent while in par terre and have the head and arm of their opponent locked at the same time is not considered a takedown in international wrestling because the offensive wrestler has not passed behind the defensive wrestler. The hips of the defensive athlete must be covered for the offensive wrestler to achieve a takedown.
- FLEEING THE MAT: where either wrestler goes out-of-bounds voluntarily and makes no effort to stay in the center wrestling area. This can occur in either standing or par terre wrestling. This is penalized by a caution to the wrestler at fault and one point (F/S) or two points (G/R) to the opponent, assuming the defensive wrestler in not in danger. Restarts following a fleeing the mat call shall start in the position in which the infraction occurred. Video
- SPECIAL SITUATION: IF THE DEFENSIVE WRESTLER FLEES THE MAT WHILE IN THE DANGER POSITION, THE WRESTLER AT FAULT SHALL RECEIVE A CAUTION AND THE OPPONENT SHALL RECEIVE TWO POINTS IN BOTH F/S AND G/R. WRESTLERS SHOULD RESTART IN THE PAR TERRE POSITION.
- FLEEING THE HOLD: where either wrestler is avoiding contact with their opponent to prevent being scored upon. This can occur in either standing or par terre wrestling at any point in a match, but most often occurs when time is running out. Restarts following a fleeing the hold call shall start in the position in which the infraction occurred. Video Recommended Procedure: If the officiating team recognizes fleeing the hold while the athletes are in a standing position, they should stop and give an “attention” to the wrestler at fault assuming there is adequate time left in the period. If the same wrestler continues to flee the hold, then the referee should stop and ask for a caution and 1 point (F/S)
- STEP-OUT: if the attacking wrestler steps out first while in the process of an action, the following situations may occur:
- If the action is completed, the points will be scored as appropriate
- If the action is not completed, the opponent will score one point because the offensive wrestler stepped out-of-bounds first
- If the offensive wrestler has lifted the defensive wrestler and steps out with both feet, the bout shall be stopped and no points will be awarded. If the offensive wrestler has the defensive wrestler lifted off the mat and only steps out with one foot but is in the process of completing the throw, the action should be allowed to continue and scored appropriately. All in all, if the offensive wrestler has the defensive wrestler lifted off the mat and either steps out with both feet or steps out with one foot and is not able to complete their throw or is not doing anything to try to score, the bout shall be stopped, no points shall be awarded and wrestling will restart in the standing position.
Passivity
Passivity is a tool that the officiating crew can use to stimulate action from a wrestler who is not actively attempting to score. Passivity can be observed as:
The referee should attempt to stimulate action using proper UWW vocabulary—“open,” “action,” “contact”, “head up,” prior to officially asking for passivity confirmation. See below for style specific passivity guidelines: Video - FS, Video - GR
- Evading attacks without counterattacks
- Attacking without direct contact with the opponent
- Faked attacks
- Not able to control center
- Grabbing wrists without starting an attack
- Regaining initial position after beginning an attack
- Evading into and maintaining position within the passivity zone
- Fixing one’s opponent within the passivity zone
- Defensive wrestling
- Wrestling on one’s knees while not in contact with the opponent
- In G/R wrestling, not attempting to “hook” his opponent despite good position
Freestyle Passivity Procedure-FOR ALL AGE GROUPS
1st passivity violation
•Referee signals passivity with an open hand and an outstretched arm and gets confirmation from the mat chairman. To indicate confirmation is received, the referee raises the hand indicating the color of the passive wrestler.
•Stop the match for verbal warning: “Red or blue, attention”. Using one hand in a circular motion, indicate to the passive wrestler to be more active as well as clarify why the wrestler is being passive.
2nd passivity violation
•Stop the match once confirmation from the mat chairman is given and there is no imminent scoring action in progress
•Indicate the 30-second activity period to the passive wrestler using both hands in a circular motion. It is not necessary to give any gestures or verbalize to the coaches that the activity time is started. The referee shall wait until the activity time is clearly indicated on the scoreboard prior to restarting the match.
•If neither wrestler scores at the end of the :30 activity period, one point will be awarded to the active wrestler. The match shall not be stopped to award this point. No caution will be given for not scoring in the activity period.
•If either wrestler scores, no cautions or additional points are rewarded. The :30 activity clock is ignored and wrestling shall continue without stoppage.
Further passivity violations
•Further activity time periods can be initiated directly—no additional warnings are given after the first verbal warning. The first verbal warning does carry over between periods.
•No activity period shall be given after 2:30 (1:30 in 14U and younger) or 5:30 (3:30 in 14U and younger)
All passivity calls must be confirmed by the mat chairman. It is obligatory that the officiating crew stop the match around 2:00 (1:00 in 14U and younger) and prior to 2:30/1:30 (if a score is in progress at 2:00/1:00) if the score is 0-0, consult, and immediately put a wrestler into a 30-second activity period. The first period in every freestyle match must never end 0-0. The 1st passivity violation (verbal warning) should be denoted as “V” in the match paperwork; all subsequent passivity violations shall be denoted by “P.”
If a wrestler is put on activity time, they must score within the :30 time frame allotted. If he or she starts an action prior to the :30 time frame being completed, he or she will be allowed to finish their action, but if that action does not score by the end of :30, the opposing wrestler will be given one point. The match will not be stopped to award this point. A caution for not scoring in the :30 activity period no longer applies.
It is possible for acts that are deemed to be passive early on in a period, could be considered fleeing the hold if done later in a period, especially with short time on the clock (less than 30 seconds). If the referee wants to warn a wrestler for fleeing the hold, they should stop the match and offer a verbal “attention” to the wrestler at fault as well as to his or her coach. This way, the athletes, coaches, and fans will be able to differentiate when a wrestler is being called for passivity versus fleeing the hold.
If after restarting the match, the actions that lead to the “attention” persist, the referee should stop the bout, signal for a caution to the less active wrestler, and score one point to the opponent.
Greco Roman Passivity Procedure-FOR ALL AGE GROUPS
There are three scenarios in which the refereeing team needs to stimulate a match with a passivity call:
1st passivity violation in a match, regardless of wrestler (given after referee uses UWW vocabulary to stimulate “passive” wrestler):
- The score is 0-0 and wrestlers have had adequate time to score in the standing position
- The score is tied and one wrestler is clearly more active.
- One wrestler has the lead and his opponent acts too defensively.
• Referee signals passivity with an open hand and an outstretched arm and gets confirmation from the mat chairman. Upon confirmation, the referee stops the bout, the active wrestler is awarded one point and given the option to continue wrestling standing or on top in the par terre position.
2nd passivity violation, regardless of wrestler:
• Referee signals passivity with an open hand and an outstretched arm and gets confirmation from the mat chairman. Upon confirmation, the referee stops the bout, the active wrestler is awarded one point and given the option to continue wrestling standing or on top in the par terre position.
3rd and any subsequent passivity violation
• Referee signals passivity with an open hand and an outstretched arm and gets confirmation from the mat chairman. To indicate confirmation is received, the referee raises their hand indicating the passive wrestler and stops the match. The active wrestler is given the choice of resuming wrestling standing or on top in the par terre position. The active wrestler WILL NOT be awarded one point. If a third passivity is given, it should only be given in a lower scoring bout and sufficient time should be left in the second period to allow for enough time for a par terre sequence (approximately one minute left in six minute bout, for example).
If an athlete chooses to restart the match in the standing position after a passivity call against his opponent, this will count as one of the two allotted ordered "par terre" positions in the bout, even though the athletes are not restarting the match in this position. The restriction limiting to only one ordered par terre per period is no longer in effect. Time restrictions for offering passivity have been eliminated. Sufficient time should be offered to the top wrestler when in an ordered par terre position to allow for the development of scoring actions.
*NO FORMAL “VERBAL” WARNING IS GIVEN TO INSTITUTE THE G/R PASSIVITY PROTOCOL IN ANY AGE CATEGORY OTHER THAN THE REFEREE STIMULATING THE WRESTLERS DURING THE COURSE OF THE BOUT.
All passivities shall be denoted by a “P” on the match paperwork.
It is possible for acts that are deemed to be passive early on in a period, could be considered fleeing the hold or negative wrestling (see next section) if done later in a period, especially with short time on the clock (less than 30 seconds). If the referee wants to warn a wrestler for fleeing the hold or negative wrestling, they should stop the match and offer a verbal “attention” to the wrestler at fault. This way, the athletes, coaches, and fans will be able to differentiate when a wrestler is being called for passivity versus fleeing the hold/negative wrestling.
If after restarting the match, the actions that lead to the “attention” persist, the referee should stop the match and signal for a caution for the less active wrestler. Check for confirmation. A caution should be given to the less active wrestler and two points should be awarded to his opponent.
Negative Wrestling
Tactics employed by wrestlers whose only objective is to prevent scoring actions, avoid “open” wrestling or deliberately cause harm to their opponent are considered negative wrestling. This can include, but is not limited to:
Two approaches can be taken by the referee team to penalize a wrestler for negative wrestling:
- Interlocking fingers
- Blocking the opponent with one’s head, one or two hands to the face, or blocking at the opponent’s chest
- Fleeing the mat or fleeing the hold
- Brutality
- The referee stops the match and gives the wrestler an “Attention,” clarifying to them what they need to change. If the negative wrestling persists, the referee should stop the match, ask for a caution, and award one point (F/S) or two points (G/R) to the opponent. The mat chairman must confirm this call to be valid.
- If the negative wrestling prevents an active scoring action or is considered beyond fair play (i.e. brutality), the referee can ask for a caution and one point (F/S) or two points (G/R) immediately without a formal “Attention.” The mat chairman must confirm this call to be valid.
So, back to the conversation that sparked this clarification....
If the GEO had been awarded a point for GS refusing to wrestle (which is technically pointable to GS's opponent under the Passivity or Fleeing Rules - not mandatory, but at the Mat Official's discretion), then GS would have lost on criteria - or actually the GEO would have won on criteria, "Most Highest Scoring Move in match", correct? That was what the OP had asked that led to this discussion and many tried to claim that GS would have still won on Criteria "Last Score" since they both had the same Highest Scoring Move - 2 Points. That is in fact not correct - GS would have lost on Criteria had the match ended tied as the GEO had "The Most Highest Scoring Moves of the Match".
of course as opposed to freestyle grab and hold on no points scored??ask zane or taylor about riding??
The big one is "hand checking" and "forearm checking" which is prevalent in Folk to create separation and angles (or to break a tie or clutch attempt by your opponent) when setting up a shot attempt. In Int'l Free this is defined as a "passive action" under Passivity Rule - see the Free Rules that "Psalm 1 Guy" posted earlier in this string.
This is especially true if you're moving backwards while doing it.
Huh??? Wha??? Both Zain and Taylor scored shitloads of points and pins from the "Top Position" so how in the hell do you include them in "Riding for no other reason than to accumulate RT"??? Nowhere in my post did I say they should eliminate the "par terre position" from Folk - what I said was they need to stop rewarding and incentivizing NON-PRODUCTIVE rides -- IOW, Folk needs to STALEMATE par terre action that is geared towards accumulating RT without any success whatsoever in turning your opponent or scoring from the top-position.
Did anyone else think John Smith was taking a shot at Cael when he was encouraging Snyder to stop trying to work ankle picks on Sadulaev because they would never work on someone with his skill level. He said something to the effect of "it must be something new to him".
Maybe I'm being too sensitive.
Maybe I'm being too sensitive.
Don't agree with you at all - look at Snyder v Sudalev matches as a good example. These have been matches between two of best wrestlers in the world and all of them have created explosive exchanges between the wrestler's (Ditto DT v Yazdani). Let's contrast this with the NCAA Wrestling Tournament Finals which features the most elite "Folk-Style" wrestlers in the world - we saw boring match after boring match that went into the 2nd Period scoreless and then determined by a point in an extremely low-scoring affair after two more boring periods featuring one wrestler's wobderful ability to "out-ride" the other...
Just pure crazy-talk to claim elite matchups in Folk are more "dynamic" and produce more "pointed action" than elite matchups in Free at world tournaments. Just utter crazy talk.
too sensitive. He later said sadulaev was ‘too upright’ for ankle picks to work.
he scored on his Hi-c... I’m surprised he didn’t go back to it.
Well, since Smith practically invented the low single, he might have an idea ...
Though I have no idea what would be new on feet to Sadulaev.
Beautiful Hi-C too.... He was so deep that he was already ducking under Sudalev's arm and circling to his back before the Russian Tank even reacted (i.e., was not able to put up any real defense against it)
Both guys doing nothing is still stalling and should be called,just on BOTH guys.
Not really, because that would defeat the entire purpose of the Mandatory Passivity Call after 2 minutes of scoreless action which puts one of the wrestlers on the 30 second "score clock". The entire purpose is ultimately to break the scoreless tie to promote action.... and it absolutely works as evidenced by the KS v Sudalev match.
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I felt the same thing when listening to the commentary. He was probably correct in it being less effective against Sadulaev, but having it as a threat makes getting to the HC easier, I would think.
Thanks for posting. @tikk10…I never should have doubted you. I’m trying to get a better understanding of freestyle. Getting a better appreciation of differences in passivity now too, thanks to you free experts.USA wrestling rulebook Here is what USA Wrestling puts out regarding freestyle and greco rules. There is also a link at the end of the Table of Contents to download the rule book. I highlighted criteria for determining a winner at the end of a bout since there has been some confusion on it. Maybe we can all study up so any future freestyle discussions are more , shall I say, informed
If the point total is equal at the end of a match, the following criteria will determine the winner, in this order:
- Highest value scoring actions (most 5 point actions, most 4 point actions, most 2 point actions)
- Least number of accrued cautions
- Last point scored
Visible pushouts in either style will not be scored. If a wrestler visibly pushes out their opponent (for e.g.-straight arm push-out), they will be given an “attention”. Any subsequent pushouts will not be scored for either athlete. The “pushing” wrestler will NOT be penalized with a caution and points for his or her opponent. Video - pushing out no points
- TAKEDOWN: awarded to the wrestler who takes his opponent to the mat with control and the defensive wrestler hit 3 points of contact (head, hands, elbows, and knees). All takedowns are worth two points. To achieve a takedown the offensive wrestler must:
- Pass behind their opponent from a par terre position.
- Take their opponent down to the mat from a standing position and pass behind their opponent's hips.
- Gain control of one or both legs of his or her opponent while that wrestler is on his or her hip or in a sitting position on his or her backside while the plane of the defensive wrestler’s back is less than 90 degrees towards the mat all while the defensive wrestler plants their hand or elbow on the mat.
- Lock up a cradle position while the defensive wrestler does not actively hold the leg of the offensive wrestler. In this case, it is not necessary to pass behind the hips of the defensive wrestler.
- Examples that are not takedowns - if the offensive wrestler spins behind his or her opponent and the defensive wrestler attains a quadpod position, it is not considered a takedown until the defensive wrestler’s head, elbow or knee contact the mat. The “Merkle” position, where one wrestler has his/her leg encircled inside the leg of his or her opponent while in par terre and have the head and arm of their opponent locked at the same time is not considered a takedown in international wrestling because the offensive wrestler has not passed behind the defensive wrestler. The hips of the defensive athlete must be covered for the offensive wrestler to achieve a takedown.
- FLEEING THE MAT: where either wrestler goes out-of-bounds voluntarily and makes no effort to stay in the center wrestling area. This can occur in either standing or par terre wrestling. This is penalized by a caution to the wrestler at fault and one point (F/S) or two points (G/R) to the opponent, assuming the defensive wrestler in not in danger. Restarts following a fleeing the mat call shall start in the position in which the infraction occurred. Video
- SPECIAL SITUATION: IF THE DEFENSIVE WRESTLER FLEES THE MAT WHILE IN THE DANGER POSITION, THE WRESTLER AT FAULT SHALL RECEIVE A CAUTION AND THE OPPONENT SHALL RECEIVE TWO POINTS IN BOTH F/S AND G/R. WRESTLERS SHOULD RESTART IN THE PAR TERRE POSITION.
- FLEEING THE HOLD: where either wrestler is avoiding contact with their opponent to prevent being scored upon. This can occur in either standing or par terre wrestling at any point in a match, but most often occurs when time is running out. Restarts following a fleeing the hold call shall start in the position in which the infraction occurred. Video Recommended Procedure: If the officiating team recognizes fleeing the hold while the athletes are in a standing position, they should stop and give an “attention” to the wrestler at fault assuming there is adequate time left in the period. If the same wrestler continues to flee the hold, then the referee should stop and ask for a caution and 1 point (F/S)
- STEP-OUT: if the attacking wrestler steps out first while in the process of an action, the following situations may occur:
- If the action is completed, the points will be scored as appropriate
- If the action is not completed, the opponent will score one point because the offensive wrestler stepped out-of-bounds first
- If the offensive wrestler has lifted the defensive wrestler and steps out with both feet, the bout shall be stopped and no points will be awarded. If the offensive wrestler has the defensive wrestler lifted off the mat and only steps out with one foot but is in the process of completing the throw, the action should be allowed to continue and scored appropriately. All in all, if the offensive wrestler has the defensive wrestler lifted off the mat and either steps out with both feet or steps out with one foot and is not able to complete their throw or is not doing anything to try to score, the bout shall be stopped, no points shall be awarded and wrestling will restart in the standing position.
Passivity
Passivity is a tool that the officiating crew can use to stimulate action from a wrestler who is not actively attempting to score. Passivity can be observed as:
The referee should attempt to stimulate action using proper UWW vocabulary—“open,” “action,” “contact”, “head up,” prior to officially asking for passivity confirmation. See below for style specific passivity guidelines: Video - FS, Video - GR
- Evading attacks without counterattacks
- Attacking without direct contact with the opponent
- Faked attacks
- Not able to control center
- Grabbing wrists without starting an attack
- Regaining initial position after beginning an attack
- Evading into and maintaining position within the passivity zone
- Fixing one’s opponent within the passivity zone
- Defensive wrestling
- Wrestling on one’s knees while not in contact with the opponent
- In G/R wrestling, not attempting to “hook” his opponent despite good position
Freestyle Passivity Procedure-FOR ALL AGE GROUPS
1st passivity violation
•Referee signals passivity with an open hand and an outstretched arm and gets confirmation from the mat chairman. To indicate confirmation is received, the referee raises the hand indicating the color of the passive wrestler.
•Stop the match for verbal warning: “Red or blue, attention”. Using one hand in a circular motion, indicate to the passive wrestler to be more active as well as clarify why the wrestler is being passive.
2nd passivity violation
•Stop the match once confirmation from the mat chairman is given and there is no imminent scoring action in progress
•Indicate the 30-second activity period to the passive wrestler using both hands in a circular motion. It is not necessary to give any gestures or verbalize to the coaches that the activity time is started. The referee shall wait until the activity time is clearly indicated on the scoreboard prior to restarting the match.
•If neither wrestler scores at the end of the :30 activity period, one point will be awarded to the active wrestler. The match shall not be stopped to award this point. No caution will be given for not scoring in the activity period.
•If either wrestler scores, no cautions or additional points are rewarded. The :30 activity clock is ignored and wrestling shall continue without stoppage.
Further passivity violations
•Further activity time periods can be initiated directly—no additional warnings are given after the first verbal warning. The first verbal warning does carry over between periods.
•No activity period shall be given after 2:30 (1:30 in 14U and younger) or 5:30 (3:30 in 14U and younger)
All passivity calls must be confirmed by the mat chairman. It is obligatory that the officiating crew stop the match around 2:00 (1:00 in 14U and younger) and prior to 2:30/1:30 (if a score is in progress at 2:00/1:00) if the score is 0-0, consult, and immediately put a wrestler into a 30-second activity period. The first period in every freestyle match must never end 0-0. The 1st passivity violation (verbal warning) should be denoted as “V” in the match paperwork; all subsequent passivity violations shall be denoted by “P.”
If a wrestler is put on activity time, they must score within the :30 time frame allotted. If he or she starts an action prior to the :30 time frame being completed, he or she will be allowed to finish their action, but if that action does not score by the end of :30, the opposing wrestler will be given one point. The match will not be stopped to award this point. A caution for not scoring in the :30 activity period no longer applies.
It is possible for acts that are deemed to be passive early on in a period, could be considered fleeing the hold if done later in a period, especially with short time on the clock (less than 30 seconds). If the referee wants to warn a wrestler for fleeing the hold, they should stop the match and offer a verbal “attention” to the wrestler at fault as well as to his or her coach. This way, the athletes, coaches, and fans will be able to differentiate when a wrestler is being called for passivity versus fleeing the hold.
If after restarting the match, the actions that lead to the “attention” persist, the referee should stop the bout, signal for a caution to the less active wrestler, and score one point to the opponent.
Greco Roman Passivity Procedure-FOR ALL AGE GROUPS
There are three scenarios in which the refereeing team needs to stimulate a match with a passivity call:
1st passivity violation in a match, regardless of wrestler (given after referee uses UWW vocabulary to stimulate “passive” wrestler):
- The score is 0-0 and wrestlers have had adequate time to score in the standing position
- The score is tied and one wrestler is clearly more active.
- One wrestler has the lead and his opponent acts too defensively.
• Referee signals passivity with an open hand and an outstretched arm and gets confirmation from the mat chairman. Upon confirmation, the referee stops the bout, the active wrestler is awarded one point and given the option to continue wrestling standing or on top in the par terre position.
2nd passivity violation, regardless of wrestler:
• Referee signals passivity with an open hand and an outstretched arm and gets confirmation from the mat chairman. Upon confirmation, the referee stops the bout, the active wrestler is awarded one point and given the option to continue wrestling standing or on top in the par terre position.
3rd and any subsequent passivity violation
• Referee signals passivity with an open hand and an outstretched arm and gets confirmation from the mat chairman. To indicate confirmation is received, the referee raises their hand indicating the passive wrestler and stops the match. The active wrestler is given the choice of resuming wrestling standing or on top in the par terre position. The active wrestler WILL NOT be awarded one point. If a third passivity is given, it should only be given in a lower scoring bout and sufficient time should be left in the second period to allow for enough time for a par terre sequence (approximately one minute left in six minute bout, for example).
If an athlete chooses to restart the match in the standing position after a passivity call against his opponent, this will count as one of the two allotted ordered "par terre" positions in the bout, even though the athletes are not restarting the match in this position. The restriction limiting to only one ordered par terre per period is no longer in effect. Time restrictions for offering passivity have been eliminated. Sufficient time should be offered to the top wrestler when in an ordered par terre position to allow for the development of scoring actions.
*NO FORMAL “VERBAL” WARNING IS GIVEN TO INSTITUTE THE G/R PASSIVITY PROTOCOL IN ANY AGE CATEGORY OTHER THAN THE REFEREE STIMULATING THE WRESTLERS DURING THE COURSE OF THE BOUT.
All passivities shall be denoted by a “P” on the match paperwork.
It is possible for acts that are deemed to be passive early on in a period, could be considered fleeing the hold or negative wrestling (see next section) if done later in a period, especially with short time on the clock (less than 30 seconds). If the referee wants to warn a wrestler for fleeing the hold or negative wrestling, they should stop the match and offer a verbal “attention” to the wrestler at fault. This way, the athletes, coaches, and fans will be able to differentiate when a wrestler is being called for passivity versus fleeing the hold/negative wrestling.
If after restarting the match, the actions that lead to the “attention” persist, the referee should stop the match and signal for a caution for the less active wrestler. Check for confirmation. A caution should be given to the less active wrestler and two points should be awarded to his opponent.
Negative Wrestling
Tactics employed by wrestlers whose only objective is to prevent scoring actions, avoid “open” wrestling or deliberately cause harm to their opponent are considered negative wrestling. This can include, but is not limited to:
Two approaches can be taken by the referee team to penalize a wrestler for negative wrestling:
- Interlocking fingers
- Blocking the opponent with one’s head, one or two hands to the face, or blocking at the opponent’s chest
- Fleeing the mat or fleeing the hold
- Brutality
- The referee stops the match and gives the wrestler an “Attention,” clarifying to them what they need to change. If the negative wrestling persists, the referee should stop the match, ask for a caution, and award one point (F/S) or two points (G/R) to the opponent. The mat chairman must confirm this call to be valid.
- If the negative wrestling prevents an active scoring action or is considered beyond fair play (i.e. brutality), the referee can ask for a caution and one point (F/S) or two points (G/R) immediately without a formal “Attention.” The mat chairman must confirm this call to be valid.
Much appreciated.
Some of the confusion imho is relative to how the word is interpreted here "passive" is not really the best word to describe what they are attempting to measure - "reactionary" is really a better word. IOW, in an exchange between the wrestler's, there is a wrestler that is doing some action and the other wrestler is "reacting" to that action. The wrestler who is "reacting" is what they refer to as "passive". It is not always the same wrestler who is "reacting" which is why it's the wrestler who is "net passive" over the 2 minutes is the one who is supposed to be put on the clock.
A passive wrestler can generally immediately become the aggressor by shooting (i.e, it will generally cause an immediate defensive reaction from the other wrestler in the form of a sprawl.
That interview was amazing- so much great info, insight. Thx for postingTaylor interview (if you can access it):
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That was a nice interview with DT.
I didnt catch the name of whatever business he and his wife have?
I didnt catch the name of whatever business he and his wife have?
Absolutely, Bale sucks, just ask HR. TG sucks, DT is still not good, just looking for money, and Snyder, he's leaving and looking for more money. A certain poster does not want to come here because I will blast his ass. That board is a fking joke. They can't even support American Wrestling. F them.
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True. Also, the second criteria, cautions, is critical. As an example, each wrestler could have two two-point moves and wrestler A could have the last score but still lose because he had a caution. This is where the officials can heavily influence a match. In the 65 kg. gold medal match the Japanese wrestler put momentarily went hands to the face of his opponent (defined as an Illegal Action in the rulebook), and the referee wanted to award a caution and one. Fortunately the mat chairman and judge did not agree. This was the same match where the Japanese wrestler received two caution and ones in the last few seconds of the bout for Negative Wrestling, specifically, fleeing the mat. Those cautions can definitely be critical in the outcome of a match.
I love some that play both sides with absolute bullsh&t. How folks cannot support their country's wrestlers is beyond me. I am supremely proud of what USA Wrestling did in Tokyo.
It really was an exceptional and insightful interview. He was very complimentary toward Coach Casey in particular, saying how wrestling with Casey the last ten years really toughened him up and how he would not be an Olympic and World champ without him. There was this very interesting quote from David in this interview regarding Yazdani and his team; "His only job in that match was to do absolutely nothing. That was their game plan." Really good stuff.
LOL we all know Iowa would take Cael in a quick second if he was available!!
So who can we qualify at 65. It really sucked to send just five as a team I feel the usa is better than this. Go USA
After going through the kids PSU has in the fold, I'm now convinced that this Olympic cycle was just a simple coming out party and the best for the NLWC is surely yet to come. Admittedly don't follow freestyle like I do with folk and after researching a bit, I didnt realize all the success these boys have had in Cadets and Juniors. I mean Wow! PSU and the NLWC has some serious threats for the next two Olympic cycles. Not just potential but obvious threats if their freestyle history is any indication. If anyone out there is like me and not so versed in freestyle, spend some time looking up what guys like RBY. Bartlett, Lee, Starocci, Brooks and Kerk have done in free. If I have time this week I'm gonna go through entire roster all the way through to our newest addition in Haines. Just want to see it all on paper to get the "feel goods" I guess .. lol
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