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Non-participation in bowl games

That’s all well and good til viewership, attendance, revenue and merchandising are negatively impacted then all of the money everyone is scrambling starts to dry up. Both sides have legit arguments.
No one would like to see the money dry up and for college sports to return to their glory days more than me. I would also like to do a quantum leap back to the State College, Pa that I grew up in during the 1970's.

Fat Chance either one of those things is going to happen.
 
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Well, now we are seeing the loss of a lot of players essential to the team. Bowls will begin to cancel - NCAA partly to blame. I was just watching the Fiesta Bowl in 1987. Some of the players were FIFTH YEAR seniors, returning to play as they thought they had a chance as a team to win big. They were right!!! Would not happen today.
 
These kids should do what they want and how it helps their family or personal situation. If you don’t like it tough 💩. I’m sure they are sorry they didn’t take your feelings under consideration.
If they suck and can’t get on the football field, does the coach have the right to do what’s best for the football situation by telling them to find another university and football team? Piss off, losers. You suck, and we need those scholarships.

This stuff is routinely excused in today’s culture by folks like you, who don’t have the balls to call it out for what it is. It reveals the character of those who do it and those who make excuses for them.
 
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I honestly think most people could care less. These bowls only mean anything to the small segment of diehards who actually look forward to it. The Bowls are watered down crap. Something to stick on TV when you are lying around. If my kid were a top three round pick he'd be sitting.
How much less could they care?
 
No, they are training with combine specialists right now, not practicing for Arkansas. This only upsets you because it may hurt PSU's chances to win. Your scenario is par for the course with you.....makes no GD sense at all outside of your head. Although I could see you being the guy trying to hold a friend back since you aren't good enough. Like someone else moving on to a better job owes you something. The fact you think they have the job already is nonsense as some will rise or fall based on the combine or Pro days. Some can go from making 660k to 2-3 million a year or more.....but yeah, they owe it you to stick around. LOL

Younger guys who need PT will get more PT which is good for the program. Brooks and Smith aren't there to take snaps so younger guys will get the much needed PT. Guys that left to prep for the NFL will be doing exactly that, prepping for the biggest interview of their lives. The coaches, NFL, and teammates don't hold it against them. Only butt hurt old fans who cannot realize college football is a business are upset by this.
You seem awfully defensive after he exposed the holes in your bullsh*t analogy.
 
If you really think that way, then make sure all your own personal decisions line up with that same thinking, even if it means endangering your own life and family.
So you never left an employer for more money or you stayed loyal forever? I’m sure you think you made a point there. What the f—k it was I have no idea.
 
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You seem awfully defensive after he exposed the holes in your bullsh*t analogy.
Pssst, bowl games are meaningless to those going to get paid in the league. Look how many kids across the nation are bailing on the bowls. It’s an exhibition game for the fans. Selfish young men daring to think about their own futures are impacting your life. Why is that? Work on it and see if you can figure it out.
 
So you never left an employer for more money or you stayed loyal forever? I’m sure you think you made a point there. What the f—k it was I have no idea.
I've left an employer for more money but I've never told an employer, "I'm going to leave in October and I intend not to work in September so that I can prepare for my new job. I expect you to continue to provide me with pay and benefits in September even though I won't be working." These players were provided with full scholarships and tons of benefits to play football. They should keep their commitment to the team or else they should be required to pay back some portion of the money they were given.

I wonder if the opt out mentality is unique to this generation. These are the kids that take out a student loan knowing full well what that means. Then they whine and cry that the rest of us should put up the money to "forgive" their loans because it is inconvenient to their lifestyle to have to pay off the loan they willingly agreed to.
 
I've left an employer for more money but I've never told an employer, "I'm going to leave in October and I intend not to work in September so that I can prepare for my new job. I expect you to continue to provide me with pay and benefits in September even though I won't be working." These players were provided with full scholarships and tons of benefits to play football. They should keep their commitment to the team or else they should be required to pay back some portion of the money they were given.

I wonder if the opt out mentality is unique to this generation. These are the kids that take out a student loan knowing full well what that means. Then they whine and cry that the rest of us should put up the money to "forgive" their loans because it is inconvenient to their lifestyle to have to pay off the loan they willingly agreed to.
So you were never in their shoes is what you’re saying. What job did you interview for that had a million dollar swing in your pay based on your interview performance? This generation BS. The NCAA is a joke. It’s a business and you just want to stick your fingers in your ears because you don’t like hearing it. These kids don’t owe you a thing and the school begged them to come and play. It wasn’t vice versa. You sound sour because you didn’t get what they had. It’s easy to be sour and talk about loyalty when it’s not your life or decision to make.

I guess Parsons, Smith, Dotson, and Brisker are just selfish people in your eyes. Not in mine. Get setup for life boys, you earned it.
 
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I've left an employer for more money but I've never told an employer, "I'm going to leave in October and I intend not to work in September so that I can prepare for my new job. I expect you to continue to provide me with pay and benefits in September even though I won't be working." These players were provided with full scholarships and tons of benefits to play football. They should keep their commitment to the team or else they should be required to pay back some portion of the money they were given.

I wonder if the opt out mentality is unique to this generation. These are the kids that take out a student loan knowing full well what that means. Then they whine and cry that the rest of us should put up the money to "forgive" their loans because it is inconvenient to their lifestyle to have to pay off the loan they willingly agreed to.
I don't know, maybe?
 
So you were never in their shoes is what you’re saying. What job did you interview for that had a million dollar swing in your pay based on your interview performance? This generation BS. The NCAA is a joke. It’s a business and you just want to stick your fingers in your ears because you don’t like hearing it. These kids don’t owe you a thing and the school begged them to come and play. It wasn’t vice versa. You sound sour because you didn’t get what they had. It’s easy to be sour and talk about loyalty when it’s not your life or decision to make.

I guess Parsons, Smith, Dotson, and Brisker are just selfish people in your eyes. Not in mine. Get setup for life boys, you earned it.
And we're footing the bill as fans. You want loyalty , show some. The whole thing has changed and I don't really like it.
My kids were regular students . They paid their loans , they have their careers.
If the team wants me to be loyal , I want something in return . I'm not getting it.
 
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And we're footing the bill as fans. You want loyalty , show some. The whole thing has changed and I don't really like it.
My kids were regular students . They paid their loans , they have their careers.
If the team wants me to be loyal , I want something in return . I'm not getting it.
You choose to pay. That is your choice. They don’t owe you a thing for some exhibition game. Notice their future employers don’t hold it against them. Why is that? Psst, it’s a business.
 
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I wonder if the opt out mentality is unique to this generation.
I think that is the main issue. It used to be that quitting was looked at as wrong. Now it is all about getting yours.

The other main issue is that these kids get cover from the modern media. They actually applaud these decisions. The narrative isn't that they are quitting on their schools, it's that they are getting out from under their slave labor conditions, or some nonsense like that. It's absurd.
 
Shortly after the 1994 a fellow wrote a book called lion kings, it was interesting when he wrote about 1992.
He mentioned how the team fell apart and how everyone seemed to worry about draft status . The younger guys were resentful calling them those 7-5 guys.
That's what we get from now on. They'll cry loyalty and ask it from the fans then cut and run. Prior to the changes I didn't see OJ McDuffies or Shane Conlan's opt out of a bowl or get hurt in one, killing their pro careers.
https://victorybellrings.com/2017/07/07/penn-states-greatest-seasons-1986/amp/

17 fifth year seniors returned to attempt to win a national championship. Without them we don't win the greatest game in school history . Hope you were around for that because you'll never see it agdin in your lifetime.
Well maybe when it's the PSU lions Steelers affiliate team but I don't think they'll compete with the Texas cowboys affiliate or some of the other big boys.
 
I think that is the main issue. It used to be that quitting was looked at as wrong. Now it is all about getting yours.

The other main issue is that these kids get cover from the modern media. They actually applaud these decisions. The narrative isn't that they are quitting on their schools, it's that they are getting out from under their slave labor conditions, or some nonsense like that. It's absurd.
back in my day!!!!!! LOL
 
Meanwhile, all the backups to the players opting out are thinking……
You have to wonder where this is headed. Will the 5-star freshmen recruits look over the schedule and tell the coach, " I agree to play in the Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Auburn, and Michigan State games. However, I am opting out of the Ohio University, Western Michigan, and Illinois games since they are beneath me and I might get hurt."?
 
Meanwhile, all the backups to the players opting out are thinking……
Not sure, read Lion Kings if you can find it. He mentions how they fell apart in 1992 after losing at home to Miami. Everyone went in their own direction.
Playing soft and I'd guess trying to stay healthy for the draft . The younger guys called them those 7-5 guys.
After the orange bowl loss to OU the seniors decided to come back for a fifth year. 17 of them . Our history is different if these rules were in place then. Hell, we wouldn't have a history .
They want your loyalty , they want your support , but in the end it's all about the individual. Things are different, I don't like ot, so I'm moving on. Next year Franklin can ask for 11 million after winning 8 games.
 
You have to wonder where this is headed. Will the 5-star freshmen recruits look over the schedule and tell the coach, " I agree to play in the Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Auburn, and Michigan State games. However, I am opting out of the Ohio University, Western Michigan, and Illinois games since they are beneath me and I might get hurt."?
Parsons sat out a whole year. Odd how nobody is blasting on here.
 
Parsons sat out a whole year. Odd how nobody is blasting on here.
Who cares what you think ? He sat out a Covid year when we didn't know if or when the games would be played.
I was focused on different things. How much are you paying for season tickets , donations , and travel to the games ?
 
So you were never in their shoes is what you’re saying. What job did you interview for that had a million dollar swing in your pay based on your interview performance? This generation BS. The NCAA is a joke. It’s a business and you just want to stick your fingers in your ears because you don’t like hearing it. These kids don’t owe you a thing and the school begged them to come and play. It wasn’t vice versa. You sound sour because you didn’t get what they had. It’s easy to be sour and talk about loyalty when it’s not your life or decision to make.

I guess Parsons, Smith, Dotson, and Brisker are just selfish people in your eyes. Not in mine. Get setup for life boys, you earned it.
Yep. You got it. I think Parsons, Smith, Dotson, Brisker, and the other opt outers are selfish, disingenuous people who took money to provide a service and then didn't complete their part of the bargain. The money they took came from fans and taxpayers. They took the free education, tons of perks, nice campus living conditions, etc. without providing the service for which they were paid. I don't care that they are taking a risk of getting hurt in the bowl game. They knew that was possible when they agreed to take the hundreds of thousands of dollars from the rest of us to be a scholarship player. If they didn't want to take this risk then they should have gone to college and become school teachers or accountants and paid for the education themselves.
 
Yep. You got it. I think Parsons, Smith, Dotson, Brisker, and the other opt outers are selfish, disingenuous people who took money to provide a service and then didn't complete their part of the bargain. The money they took came from fans and taxpayers. They took the free education, tons of perks, nice campus living conditions, etc. without providing the service for which they were paid. I don't care that they are taking a risk of getting hurt in the bowl game. They knew that was possible when they agreed to take the hundreds of thousands of dollars from the rest of us to be a scholarship player. If they didn't want to take this risk then they should have gone to college and become school teachers or accountants and paid for the education themselves.
Let's go back over the years. Remember Curtis Enid? Took a suit, was suspended for the bowl game. Psu could've used him.
Let's go back to the orange bowl loss to OU when 17 seniors came back to win a ncaa title the next year.
Remember when Kijana Carter, Brady , and Collins opted out to protect draft status? I don't. But they had a chance at a title you say??
A meaningless title compared to the potential loss of millions? Yeah, I liked the old days better.
 
Not sure, read Lion Kings if you can find it. He mentions how they fell apart in 1992 after losing at home to Miami. Everyone went in their own direction.
Playing soft and I'd guess trying to stay healthy for the draft . The younger guys called them those 7-5 guys.
After the orange bowl loss to OU the seniors decided to come back for a fifth year. 17 of them . Our history is different if these rules were in place then. Hell, we wouldn't have a history .
They want your loyalty , they want your support , but in the end it's all about the individual. Things are different, I don't like ot, so I'm moving on. Next year Franklin can ask for 11 million after winning 8 games.
I read it. Not the same situation at all. These games are…as consistently noted by coaches for years…prep for next year. Chances to get young guys time and experience to be ready to vie for a championship next year.

The message has been for years…”for next year”

Sure, they want to win. But backups are looking at vying for time next year. And the ones playing behind an opt out player are jazzed about it.

And….a player like Miega is thinking this is his chance to play before Tinsley shows up.

As to Franklin renegotiating, that will happen in year three when the buyout for another team to pay PSU would be $6m. But that’s a whole unrelated discussion.

When the CFP exec group turns the invitational into a an actual playoff, where champions of leagues are automatically in and others vie for at large type inclusion….then the opt outs will stop for those games.
 
I blasted Parsons repeatedly on this board. He is worse than the others. He sat on his a$$ taking the scholarship money for a year while the team languished. Last season was the worst in decades and I blame Parsons almost completely.
I didn't blow up over that because I didn't know if and when the games would be held. But yeah. Glad it worked so well for him.
Remember his example when the next blue chip breaks out.
Before we know it we'll have NCAA basketball. Two years and out.
 
I blasted Parsons repeatedly on this board. He is worse than the others. He sat on his a$$ taking the scholarship money for a year while the team languished.
Yet he’ll be welcomed back by the staff. He went on to be a high pick, is setup well and thriving. His new employer seems just fine with him. Did you blast Arrington for leaving a year early too? Or is it just bowl game guys and Parsons? It’s an odd mentality to think other humans owe their future decisions to you. What did you do to raise any of them?
 
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I read it. Not the same situation at all. These games are…as consistently noted by coaches for years…prep for next year. Chances to get young guys time and experience to be ready to vie for a championship next year.

The message has been for years…”for next year”

Sure, they want to win. But backups are looking at vying for time next year. And the ones playing behind an opt out player are jazzed about it.

And….a player like Miega is thinking this is his chance to play before Tinsley shows up.

As to Franklin renegotiating, that will happen in year three when the buyout for another team to pay PSU would be $6m. But that’s a whole unrelated discussion.

When the CFP exec group turns the invitational into a an actual playoff, where champions of leagues are automatically in and others vie for at large type inclusion….then the opt outs will stop for those games.
The opt outs will never stop. It's a pro league now.
 
Yep. You got it. I think Parsons, Smith, Dotson, Brisker, and the other opt outers are selfish, disingenuous people who took money to provide a service and then didn't complete their part of the bargain. The money they took came from fans and taxpayers. They took the free education, tons of perks, nice campus living conditions, etc. without providing the service for which they were paid. I don't care that they are taking a risk of getting hurt in the bowl game. They knew that was possible when they agreed to take the hundreds of thousands of dollars from the rest of us to be a scholarship player. If they didn't want to take this risk then they should have gone to college and become school teachers or accountants and paid for the education themselves.
They didn’t take a thing. They were begged to go to PSU and all had options because it’s a business. They earned the ship. Go after their money, see how that plays out in recruiting. The NCAA has been a farm league for the NFL for decades. Old powerful men in suits used to keep them in line with the amateur BS talk. The kids call their bluff a decade back at NW and now the narrative isn’t owned by the NCAA. You watch how none of the schools ask for money back as they know it would be bad for business. Because it is a business and some just don’t want to see it as they want to pretend it’s still Camelot.
 
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Let's go back over the years. Remember Curtis Enid? Took a suit, was suspended for the bowl game. Psu could've used him.
Let's go back to the orange bowl loss to OU when 17 seniors came back to win a ncaa title the next year.
Remember when Kijana Carter, Brady , and Collins opted out to protect draft status? I don't. But they had a chance at a title you say??
A meaningless title compared to the potential loss of millions? Yeah, I liked the old days better.
You may like the old days better, and so do I since I’m stuck with this BS CFP. But…if the argument is they will play if the games actually mean something then you just made the point.
The 1985 players all came back for 1986 because they had a title to play for….and well..they won all the marbles.

KJC, Kerry etc didn’t opt out because they were playing for all the marbles and they won….but were butt-effed by voting and “sympathy” for Tom Osbourne.

Enis….we weren’t playing for a championship. And he didn’t think anyone would notice the suit.

The first two examples were playing for a championship. The latter and like todays non-CfP bowl games are playing for next year. It’s sad compared to bowl glory of yesteryear. But yesteryear also had waaaayyy fewer bowl games and no corporate names on them. Way cooler. I was even in the nationally televised Orange Bowl Parade. Do they even have them anymore??
 
I keep hearing this as it pertains to the bowl game....meaningless game. For those who feel this way, what defines a "meaningless game"? Which games, if any, have meaning? Because to me, if you are a player and a competitor, and you are representing your school, ALL games have meaning. Apparently I'm wrong!
I think once they made they moved the playoffs to four teams they made all the bowl games meaningless. Might as well expand the playoffs and get rid of the bowl games
 
Yet he’ll be welcomed back by the staff. He went on to be a high pick, is setup well and thriving. His new employer seems just fine with him. Did you blast Arrington for leaving a year early too? Or is it just bowl game guys and Parsons? It’s an odd mentality to think other humans owe their future decisions to you. What did you do to raise any of them?
Parsons is being welcomed back by the staff. The staff didn't put up the money that Parsons took and then didn't deliver the service for which he was paid. I bet if Franklin paid Parsons out of his pocket, he would look at the situation differently.

I think it's an "odd mentality" to think that people are paid (by taxpayers and donors) for a service and then don't deliver the service but still get the money. This seems unique to college athletics. It doesn't happen in business.

Anyway, it appears that you and I view this issue very differently. That is OK. It's good that people have different points of view.
 
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And we're footing the bill as fans. You want loyalty , show some. The whole thing has changed and I don't really like it.
My kids were regular students . They paid their loans , they have their careers.
If the team wants me to be loyal , I want something in return . I'm not getting it.
Then stop donating to NLC, buying tix, etc. Problem solved for you since you feel you are owed something, need a ROI.
 
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