Nassar's superior at MSU has been arrested
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Sounds like these MSU folks need a little help from the NCAA and/or the B1G to de-emphasis their sports culture. Step back from sports for a few years to understand how these too many victims' lives have been impacted by such horrible crimes.
Our $60mm fine was ridiculous, but PSU allowed that to stand while all the other sanctions fell away. Glad it stayed in state; I wonder what programs benefited from it? Has there been an accounting?
What will MSU's fine be? Gotta be a few times the $60mm mark, no, in order to be proportionate? So, $120mm can't possibly be large enough. $180mm? $240mm?
That, on top of the settlements to be made to the victims.... wow.
Where will that money go? Who will benefit from it? Will at least some of it get all the way down to the victim advocate level, for training and awareness and such? I'm guessing there will be a whole lot of new and suddenly interested entities who come out of nowhere with programs to help 'prevention'. And then disappear almost as quickly.
And in the end, it still stands that reporting got people in as much trouble as not reporting. Too few outside of PSU see the absurdity of that.
What will MSU's fine be? Gotta be a few times the $60mm mark, no, in order to be proportionate? So, $120mm can't possibly be large enough. $180mm? $240mm?
That, on top of the settlements to be made to the victims.... wow.
Where will that money go? Who will benefit from it? Will at least some of it get all the way down to the victim advocate level, for training and awareness and such? I'm guessing there will be a whole lot of new and suddenly interested entities who come out of nowhere with programs to help 'prevention'. And then disappear almost as quickly.
And in the end, it still stands that reporting got people in as much trouble as not reporting. Too few outside of PSU see the absurdity of that.
I feel like I have a fairly good handle on the published facts of the Nassar case, and also the MSU "cover-ups" involving other sports. Now we see the administrators themselves engaging in criminal sexual activity.
So without any irony, I say that it appears that East Lansing is a dangerous place for young women. It honestly sounds like a city with a culture of condoning sexual violence and misconduct. The evidence is piling up. There is actual credible evidence of the high volume of sex crimes and their subsequent cover-ups.
So without any irony, I say that it appears that East Lansing is a dangerous place for young women. It honestly sounds like a city with a culture of condoning sexual violence and misconduct. The evidence is piling up. There is actual credible evidence of the high volume of sex crimes and their subsequent cover-ups.
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Having two perverts in the same department definitely points to a “culture problem.” But even more it could point to a criminal conspiracy. How did this guy get the video?
Also, how about all of the people who didn’t report the actions of these two men. Somebody had to suspect something. And it’s still early in the process. This could get really ugly for MSU and USA gymnastics.
With Russia as a precedent, maybe USA gymnastics should be banned from the next Olympics?
Also, how about all of the people who didn’t report the actions of these two men. Somebody had to suspect something. And it’s still early in the process. This could get really ugly for MSU and USA gymnastics.
With Russia as a precedent, maybe USA gymnastics should be banned from the next Olympics?
It's my belief that he was entitled to have such recordings when he was investigating Nassar. The problem is that he kept it afterward, along with all kinds of other pornographic material on his work computer.
If I'm wrong and he obtained it some other way, then there is a much deeper problem.
IMO, banning Olympic gymnastics would not hurt those responsible for the wrongdoings. The ones who would be hurt are the gymnasts themselves.
Why punish the victims?
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Possibly but it doesn’t seem right to me, he’s a dean not the police or a DA, how about the victim’s privacy. If he had that video illegally, MSU will be opening the checkbook.
They like to say this situation is not like the Sandusky scandal. They are right......... It is FAR, FAR worse.
Let’s review. IIRC there are 150 victims. 150
.At least 8 victims complained to Michigan State officials over 20 years. Nothing was done. Instead victims claimed they were mocked and intimidated by MSU representatives and told not to talk about Nassar.
At least 14 MSU employees knew about the Nassar accusations from their president Lou Anna Simon, to their AD, to trainers and coaches. Nothing was done.
There are accusations of improper handling of sexual assault cases involving their football and basketball teams.
An MSU Dean is now accused of sexually assaulting MSU students.
Now we hear that MSU Dean, (boss of Nassar), has a video of Nassar abusing a victim on his Michigan State work computer.
There’s video proof on an MSU work computer and the crack MSU IT staff didn’t find on their ‘comprehensive review’. Lou Anna assured everyone, repeatedly, that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by anyone at MSU.
Why (and how) is there a camera in an exam room to tape Nassar’s abuse? Who put it there? Are there other cameras in exam rooms at MSU? Who else was taped?
Holy God, this Michigan State scandal just keeps getting worse with every article revealing new depths to the scandal.
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This whole thing is just f'in unbelievable. Our BOT must really know how to destroy evidence.
Didn’t MSU have a past ‘kick out of the B1G’ standard? If so, how close are they?
This is the tip of the iceberg. They failed to disclose Nassar to the feds in the midst of a Title IX investigation. If they failed to list Nassar, you know they certainly didn't mention Strampel and his sexual harassment allegations. A clerical error, I'm sure.They like to say this situation is not like the Sandusky scandal. They are right......... It is FAR, FAR worse.
Let’s review. IIRC there are 150 victims. 150
What the hell is Delaney hiding that he is keeping so quiet?
I am sure you've seen the pictures of the shredder trucks outside TSM, no?
Nasser pulled Delaney's head out of his ass, so Delaney could put his foot in his mouth
It is time for MSU to be dissolved and disbanded as a University. Their Land Grant should be revoked and the property of the university put up for auction and the funds from the auction returned to the US Treasury.
Yes, I'd do all of that. AND, I'd also invalidate all degrees issued by that pervert enabling university during the period of the abuse and cover up. The admin at MSU, their Board, all of their coaches, their entire faculty, their alumni and the student body OBVIOUSLY ALL KNEW what was happening and cared more about their protecting their sports programs than the protecting the poor victims.
Anyone now or in the future associated with MSU is a sex abuse enabler and believes in (and most likely practices) this kind of abuse themselves. What a despicable culture.....I want to vomit when I think of anything related to MSU. They can NEVER be forgiven.
Since I'm only paraphrasing what the MSU idiots said about Ped State, they ought to be quite willing to have the same accusations and suggested punishments given right back to them.
Maybe a good nickname for them would be the "Nassars"......short but sweet....
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Were any of the vagina photos Lou Anna Simon's???? If so, they deserve The Death Penalty for all sports.
MSU spent $500K in January to monitor social media accounts of Nassar victims, others
Matt Mencarini, Lansing State JournalPublished 11:22 a.m. ET March 28, 2018
EAST LANSING - A public relations firm billed MSU for more than $500,000 for January as it tracked social media activity surrounding the Larry Nassar case, which often included victims and their families, journalists, celebrities and politicians.
The work, which also included collecting and evaluating news articles, had previously been done by members of Michigan State University's Office of Communication and Brand Strategy, some of whom continued to do so in January.
The work by Weber Shandwick, a New York-based firm, totaled $517,343 for more than 1,440 hours of work, according to documents obtained through a public records request. The firm billed for work done by 18 different employees, whose hourly rates ranged from $200 to $600 per hour. Five of those employees billed MSU for more than $50,000, including one who billed for $96,900 and another who billed for $120,893.
Weber Shandwick no longer works with the university, an MSU spokeswoman said. She did not provide a reason and referred comment to the firm. A message seeking comment from Weber Shandwick wasn't immediately returned.
As of March 2, the university had been billed for $9.69 million by outside law firms and consulting firms in connection with work on lawsuits or communications strategy related to Nassar's criminal case and related fallout. Nassar, a former university doctor, sexually abused hundreds of women and girls over his 20-year career.
Nearly all of that sum — $9 million — has been billed by six different law firms, according to records obtained by the State Journal.
However, that total doesn't include any work performed by Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom this year. As of early March, the New York-based law firm has billed MSU for $5.4 million, more than any other law firm. It also doesn't include work by Los Angeles-based law firm Latham & Watkins LLC, which is handling insurance matters related to Nassar and has billed the university for $2 million. It has two attorneys billing at least $1,100 an hour.
More than 250 people are suing MSU and USA Gymnastics in federal court, saying Nassar sexually abused them and the organizations didn't do enough to protect them. Those lawsuits will return to mediation, which could lead to a settlement. A previous mediation phase was unsuccessful.
Since the day after the Indianapolis Star first made public sexual assault allegations against Nassar, MSU communications staff have been monitoring and analyzing news stories about Nassar, his criminal cases and USA Gymnastics.
Summaries of articles and social media activity, including how much attention certain tweets or stories were getting online, were emailed to other MSU spokespeople or to top university officials. Later, once Weber Shandwick took over, emails were sent to MSU's outside attorneys for the lawsuits related to Nassar.
Media summaries recapping the previous day's coverage were sent to then MSU President Lou Anna Simon, the members of the Board of Trustees, the university's in-house attorneys and others.
"Conversation around the upcoming sentencing and MSU's role in the matter continues to be driven by victims of Nassar, their families and regional journalists," a Weber Shandwick employee emailed on the morning on Jan. 16, the first day of Nassar's Ingham County sentencing. She then detailed tweets byJacob Denhollander, the husband of Rachael Denhollander who was the first woman to make public allegations against Nassar, as well as U.S. Olympian Aly Raisman and her mother.
The firm detailed local and national coverage, and how much engagement (retweets and likes) tweets from victims, celebrities or journalists were getting.
It recapped media stories about Simon's attendance at the second day of Nassar's Ingham County sentencing, the speculation around Simon's resignation and her letter doing so hours after Nassar was sentenced after the seventh day of the sentencing hearing.
The firm tracked news stories that appeared to drive coverage in January, including those from ESPN, The Detroit News and the Lansing State Journal. Weber Shandwick tracked the number of stories and mentions of Nassar and MSU, occasionally weighing in whether the sentiments against the university were positive or negative.
"While unrelated to the victim impact statements, we have observed conversations that are critical of MSU related to the news that Richard Spencer will speak at the university," a Weber Shandwick employee wrote on the morning of Jan. 19, the fourth day of Nassar's Ingham County sentencing. "Much of the negative conversation ties MSU's actions around Nassar and Spencer together, criticizing MSU for allowing both men on campus."
MSU had previously been sued for denying white nationalist Richard Spencer the chance to speak on campus. The lawsuit was resolved and it was announced as Nassar's sentencing was going on that Spencer would speak on campus.
As the first week of Nassar's sentencing hearing wrapped up, the firm detailed to MSU communications staff some of the new development that were driving conversation, including victim impact statements by Raisman and fellow Olympic medalist Jordyn Wieber, the news that the Attorney General's Office would open an investigation into the university's handle of the Nassar matter and the MSU trustees "affirmation of support for President Simon, which was largely met by disbelief and anger on social media."
On the morning of Jan. 25, the day after Nassar was sentenced and Simon resigned, a Weber Shandwick employee emailed MSU communications staff to say that social media conversation had increased by 17 times in the past 24 hours, with 381,000 mentions of MSU and Nassar together. There were more than 45,000 tweets mentioning Nassar's sentence as it happened, according to the email.
Nassar, 54, of Holt, is serving a 60-year federal prison sentence for three child pornography convictions. He's also been sentenced to decades in prison for 10 state sexual assault charges.
On Tuesday, William Strampel, Nassar's former boss, was charged with misconduct in office, sexual assault and two counts of willful neglect of duty as part of an Attorney General's Office investigation of sexual misconduct at MSU. The willful neglect of duty charges relate to Strampel's actions during and after a 2014 Title IX investigation of Nassar.
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Unfortunately the outrage by the general public just does not seem to exist as a whole. Perhaps if more people are implicated it may change some but as there is not a big name like Paterno for the general public to associate and there does not seem to be as much outrage about females being molested by a male as there seems to be male on male, many people continue to ignore what is going on at MSU. I have access to a non-Penn State board through a friend and when the Sandusky thing was going on the thread must have gotten to 40+ pages. The Nassar thread has barely made it to three pages.
Please take this opportunity to remember that michigan state covered up the worst sexual abuse scandal in history.
Good point OL........starting to make me wonder why my doctor scheduled me for a prostate exam every six months!
MSU spent $500K in January to monitor social media accounts of Nassar victims, others
Matt Mencarini, Lansing State JournalPublished 11:22 a.m. ET March 28, 2018
EAST LANSING - A public relations firm billed MSU for more than $500,000 for January as it tracked social media activity surrounding the Larry Nassar case, which often included victims and their families, journalists, celebrities and politicians.
The work, which also included collecting and evaluating news articles, had previously been done by members of Michigan State University's Office of Communication and Brand Strategy, some of whom continued to do so in January.
The work by Weber Shandwick, a New York-based firm, totaled $517,343 for more than 1,440 hours of work, according to documents obtained through a public records request. The firm billed for work done by 18 different employees, whose hourly rates ranged from $200 to $600 per hour. Five of those employees billed MSU for more than $50,000, including one who billed for $96,900 and another who billed for $120,893.
Weber Shandwick no longer works with the university, an MSU spokeswoman said. She did not provide a reason and referred comment to the firm. A message seeking comment from Weber Shandwick wasn't immediately returned.
As of March 2, the university had been billed for $9.69 million by outside law firms and consulting firms in connection with work on lawsuits or communications strategy related to Nassar's criminal case and related fallout. Nassar, a former university doctor, sexually abused hundreds of women and girls over his 20-year career.
Nearly all of that sum — $9 million — has been billed by six different law firms, according to records obtained by the State Journal.
However, that total doesn't include any work performed by Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom this year. As of early March, the New York-based law firm has billed MSU for $5.4 million, more than any other law firm. It also doesn't include work by Los Angeles-based law firm Latham & Watkins LLC, which is handling insurance matters related to Nassar and has billed the university for $2 million. It has two attorneys billing at least $1,100 an hour.
More than 250 people are suing MSU and USA Gymnastics in federal court, saying Nassar sexually abused them and the organizations didn't do enough to protect them. Those lawsuits will return to mediation, which could lead to a settlement. A previous mediation phase was unsuccessful.
Since the day after the Indianapolis Star first made public sexual assault allegations against Nassar, MSU communications staff have been monitoring and analyzing news stories about Nassar, his criminal cases and USA Gymnastics.
Summaries of articles and social media activity, including how much attention certain tweets or stories were getting online, were emailed to other MSU spokespeople or to top university officials. Later, once Weber Shandwick took over, emails were sent to MSU's outside attorneys for the lawsuits related to Nassar.
Media summaries recapping the previous day's coverage were sent to then MSU President Lou Anna Simon, the members of the Board of Trustees, the university's in-house attorneys and others.
"Conversation around the upcoming sentencing and MSU's role in the matter continues to be driven by victims of Nassar, their families and regional journalists," a Weber Shandwick employee emailed on the morning on Jan. 16, the first day of Nassar's Ingham County sentencing. She then detailed tweets byJacob Denhollander, the husband of Rachael Denhollander who was the first woman to make public allegations against Nassar, as well as U.S. Olympian Aly Raisman and her mother.
The firm detailed local and national coverage, and how much engagement (retweets and likes) tweets from victims, celebrities or journalists were getting.
It recapped media stories about Simon's attendance at the second day of Nassar's Ingham County sentencing, the speculation around Simon's resignation and her letter doing so hours after Nassar was sentenced after the seventh day of the sentencing hearing.
The firm tracked news stories that appeared to drive coverage in January, including those from ESPN, The Detroit News and the Lansing State Journal. Weber Shandwick tracked the number of stories and mentions of Nassar and MSU, occasionally weighing in whether the sentiments against the university were positive or negative.
"While unrelated to the victim impact statements, we have observed conversations that are critical of MSU related to the news that Richard Spencer will speak at the university," a Weber Shandwick employee wrote on the morning of Jan. 19, the fourth day of Nassar's Ingham County sentencing. "Much of the negative conversation ties MSU's actions around Nassar and Spencer together, criticizing MSU for allowing both men on campus."
MSU had previously been sued for denying white nationalist Richard Spencer the chance to speak on campus. The lawsuit was resolved and it was announced as Nassar's sentencing was going on that Spencer would speak on campus.
As the first week of Nassar's sentencing hearing wrapped up, the firm detailed to MSU communications staff some of the new development that were driving conversation, including victim impact statements by Raisman and fellow Olympic medalist Jordyn Wieber, the news that the Attorney General's Office would open an investigation into the university's handle of the Nassar matter and the MSU trustees "affirmation of support for President Simon, which was largely met by disbelief and anger on social media."
On the morning of Jan. 25, the day after Nassar was sentenced and Simon resigned, a Weber Shandwick employee emailed MSU communications staff to say that social media conversation had increased by 17 times in the past 24 hours, with 381,000 mentions of MSU and Nassar together. There were more than 45,000 tweets mentioning Nassar's sentence as it happened, according to the email.
Nassar, 54, of Holt, is serving a 60-year federal prison sentence for three child pornography convictions. He's also been sentenced to decades in prison for 10 state sexual assault charges.
On Tuesday, William Strampel, Nassar's former boss, was charged with misconduct in office, sexual assault and two counts of willful neglect of duty as part of an Attorney General's Office investigation of sexual misconduct at MSU. The willful neglect of duty charges relate to Strampel's actions during and after a 2014 Title IX investigation of Nassar.
Fight the victims, but happily pay the attorneys.
This is not a good look for MSU (from the FREEP article):
The first thing Forsyth did was ask MSU to provide Strampel's computer, cell phone, work-issued calendar and documents, he told journalists Tuesday at a packed news conference in Lansing.
"Before Michigan State was able to respond, ... we received a credible tip with respect to Dean Strampel, which we felt to be time-sensitive," Forsyth said. "In response to that, we issued a search warrant and took them."
There was another statement that mentioned that there were indications that someone had attempted to delete these materials. Guess someone on the inside was trying to scrub the evidence?
The first thing Forsyth did was ask MSU to provide Strampel's computer, cell phone, work-issued calendar and documents, he told journalists Tuesday at a packed news conference in Lansing.
"Before Michigan State was able to respond, ... we received a credible tip with respect to Dean Strampel, which we felt to be time-sensitive," Forsyth said. "In response to that, we issued a search warrant and took them."
There was another statement that mentioned that there were indications that someone had attempted to delete these materials. Guess someone on the inside was trying to scrub the evidence?
They should have put them in a secret file.
If Strampel coerced 50 MSU coeds into sending him pictures of their bare vaginas, you can be sure their stories are about to hit headlines. Hell, 50 is probably "just the tip" of Strampel's abuse. Pandora's "box," if you will.
You know @wensilver has to be mentioned in at least one of those reports from the PR firm.
So you're saying Lanny Davis wasn't doing the PR work for MSU?
And there was much rejoicing in the halls of east lansing.
I swear there was a poster who stopped by in the last month or two and said, matter of fact, that the target of public scorn was shifting from MSU to USA Gymnastics and the Karolys (sp), or something. Sounded like someone who might have access to these reports.
MSU spent $500K in January to monitor social media accounts of Nassar victims, others
Matt Mencarini, Lansing State JournalPublished 11:22 a.m. ET March 28, 2018
EAST LANSING - A public relations firm billed MSU for more than $500,000 for January as it tracked social media activity surrounding the Larry Nassar case, which often included victims and their families, journalists, celebrities and politicians.
The work, which also included collecting and evaluating news articles, had previously been done by members of Michigan State University's Office of Communication and Brand Strategy, some of whom continued to do so in January.
The work by Weber Shandwick, a New York-based firm, totaled $517,343 for more than 1,440 hours of work, according to documents obtained through a public records request. The firm billed for work done by 18 different employees, whose hourly rates ranged from $200 to $600 per hour. Five of those employees billed MSU for more than $50,000, including one who billed for $96,900 and another who billed for $120,893.
Weber Shandwick no longer works with the university, an MSU spokeswoman said. She did not provide a reason and referred comment to the firm. A message seeking comment from Weber Shandwick wasn't immediately returned.
As of March 2, the university had been billed for $9.69 million by outside law firms and consulting firms in connection with work on lawsuits or communications strategy related to Nassar's criminal case and related fallout. Nassar, a former university doctor, sexually abused hundreds of women and girls over his 20-year career.
Nearly all of that sum — $9 million — has been billed by six different law firms, according to records obtained by the State Journal.
However, that total doesn't include any work performed by Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom this year. As of early March, the New York-based law firm has billed MSU for $5.4 million, more than any other law firm. It also doesn't include work by Los Angeles-based law firm Latham & Watkins LLC, which is handling insurance matters related to Nassar and has billed the university for $2 million. It has two attorneys billing at least $1,100 an hour.
More than 250 people are suing MSU and USA Gymnastics in federal court, saying Nassar sexually abused them and the organizations didn't do enough to protect them. Those lawsuits will return to mediation, which could lead to a settlement. A previous mediation phase was unsuccessful.
Since the day after the Indianapolis Star first made public sexual assault allegations against Nassar, MSU communications staff have been monitoring and analyzing news stories about Nassar, his criminal cases and USA Gymnastics.
Summaries of articles and social media activity, including how much attention certain tweets or stories were getting online, were emailed to other MSU spokespeople or to top university officials. Later, once Weber Shandwick took over, emails were sent to MSU's outside attorneys for the lawsuits related to Nassar.
Media summaries recapping the previous day's coverage were sent to then MSU President Lou Anna Simon, the members of the Board of Trustees, the university's in-house attorneys and others.
"Conversation around the upcoming sentencing and MSU's role in the matter continues to be driven by victims of Nassar, their families and regional journalists," a Weber Shandwick employee emailed on the morning on Jan. 16, the first day of Nassar's Ingham County sentencing. She then detailed tweets byJacob Denhollander, the husband of Rachael Denhollander who was the first woman to make public allegations against Nassar, as well as U.S. Olympian Aly Raisman and her mother.
The firm detailed local and national coverage, and how much engagement (retweets and likes) tweets from victims, celebrities or journalists were getting.
It recapped media stories about Simon's attendance at the second day of Nassar's Ingham County sentencing, the speculation around Simon's resignation and her letter doing so hours after Nassar was sentenced after the seventh day of the sentencing hearing.
The firm tracked news stories that appeared to drive coverage in January, including those from ESPN, The Detroit News and the Lansing State Journal. Weber Shandwick tracked the number of stories and mentions of Nassar and MSU, occasionally weighing in whether the sentiments against the university were positive or negative.
"While unrelated to the victim impact statements, we have observed conversations that are critical of MSU related to the news that Richard Spencer will speak at the university," a Weber Shandwick employee wrote on the morning of Jan. 19, the fourth day of Nassar's Ingham County sentencing. "Much of the negative conversation ties MSU's actions around Nassar and Spencer together, criticizing MSU for allowing both men on campus."
MSU had previously been sued for denying white nationalist Richard Spencer the chance to speak on campus. The lawsuit was resolved and it was announced as Nassar's sentencing was going on that Spencer would speak on campus.
As the first week of Nassar's sentencing hearing wrapped up, the firm detailed to MSU communications staff some of the new development that were driving conversation, including victim impact statements by Raisman and fellow Olympic medalist Jordyn Wieber, the news that the Attorney General's Office would open an investigation into the university's handle of the Nassar matter and the MSU trustees "affirmation of support for President Simon, which was largely met by disbelief and anger on social media."
On the morning of Jan. 25, the day after Nassar was sentenced and Simon resigned, a Weber Shandwick employee emailed MSU communications staff to say that social media conversation had increased by 17 times in the past 24 hours, with 381,000 mentions of MSU and Nassar together. There were more than 45,000 tweets mentioning Nassar's sentence as it happened, according to the email.
Nassar, 54, of Holt, is serving a 60-year federal prison sentence for three child pornography convictions. He's also been sentenced to decades in prison for 10 state sexual assault charges.
On Tuesday, William Strampel, Nassar's former boss, was charged with misconduct in office, sexual assault and two counts of willful neglect of duty as part of an Attorney General's Office investigation of sexual misconduct at MSU. The willful neglect of duty charges relate to Strampel's actions during and after a 2014 Title IX investigation of Nassar.
Kick the out of the BIG-TEN!!!
Could be. msu is still getting plenty of media attention in this mess, though. Also Chi, I know you won’t let them off the hook on Twitter.
How many of his acquaintances have the videos?Good point OL........starting to make me wonder why my doctor scheduled me for a prostate exam every six months!
I don't know, but during the session, I tell the Doc to gradually increase the insertion rhythm.How many of his acquaintances have the videos?
