"People" don't hate Franco. Your perspective is cynical. Seeking the truth takes time, but eventually the truth will come out. Check out the hundreds, hundreds, of likes in numerous postings in many facebook groups that are sharing his speech. As more and more people read it, pressure will come to bear on PSAA to release the video.Welcome to the endless civil war. People now despise Franco Harris, a relatively unassuming Hall of Fame NFL player and PSU alum a scant 4 years ago.
This is not hyperbole. I believe this is indeed the fate of Penn State, endless civil war. Neither side will win, no one will convince the other side that it was wrong, no side will prove the other side is lying, and no one will ever admit to have lied unto death. PSU, clearly, will weather the unconscionable path of having lambasted and blamed its own alumni. It has money piled to the ceiling. The loss of donations is of no consequence to Penn State, that much is blatantly obvious.
PSU has finger-wagged the alumni for four years. Tsk-tsk-tsk. Nothing has changed, the place is booming with business, and the glorious stewards of PSU (many of whom never took a class here) continue to scold and nag their own spawn. The BOT has won. As nauseating as most of them are as human beings, they meet once a quarter, ignore questions, and then disappear. This happens again and again, nesting in a well-feathered bed of inoculation from accountability. None of us can change this protocol. Indeed all of us together cannot change it, pure intentions be damned. The amount of money that PSU has at its disposal must rival many US States. I have no doubt that the PSU war chest would dwarf the annual GDP of most western countries. It is an endless money machine; a very tight bubble wrap against reality. There is a deep, wide trough for the chosen people to stuff their faces and the only indication is that there will be more, and endlessly more money to be spread around with whatever degrees of fungibility are necessary to perpetuate the motion of the machine.
Like a lot of people my age, my high school no longer exists, so I compare this to PSU. Many of my classmates are still around and we loved the place and we talk about it whenever we get together. The school had its last graduating class in 07 or something. My compatriots and I graduated over 30 years before that. It's over. We were part of a nice tradition as HS classmates but it's gone. It will never return, nor will PSU. Franco is a wonderful cheerleader. That is his role. He's a great guy and he believes in the dream we once all shared and experienced. He's tilting at windmills. The people in charge, our betters, who embody the modern incarnation of Penn State will win. We will lose. Most of us will continue to wave the flag and pay for the tickets, the hotels, the Turnpike, drinks, breakfast, and gas, which explains my previous sentence. If not, there are 30,000 new people and their connections coming through here every four months who will.
So PSU is indeed bigger than all of us who have bitched and moaned for the last 4 years. It was interesting to read and it was good to vent and commiserate but we've all been whistling Dixie. PSU will endure, as will the endless corruption that fuels it.
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I know Steeler diehard fans who are of an age to remember the Immaculate Reception who disavow and curse Franco because of his support of Paterno. (Not that he cares, nor should he.) I'm not on Facebook, I see more than enough opinion on the rest of the web but I'll certainly take your word for it. My post wasn't really about Franco though, just using him as an example. It is likely that the truth we all seek is an abstract idea which is going to change according to whoever controls the media, the courts, and Penn State's so-called governance.
Yes, I am cynical. No argument here.
Unfortunately, no video of Franco, but a reminder that PSU only broadcasts what it chooses to broadcast.
Same thing happened December 15 2014 when the Alumni Trustees called a special meeting to discuss the NCAA sanctions and Masser boycotted the meeting. PSU refused to broadcast the meeting but that didn't stop this video from getting out:
Same thing happened December 15 2014 when the Alumni Trustees called a special meeting to discuss the NCAA sanctions and Masser boycotted the meeting. PSU refused to broadcast the meeting but that didn't stop this video from getting out:
Welcome to the endless civil war. People now despise Franco Harris, a relatively unassuming Hall of Fame NFL player and PSU alum a scant 4 years ago.
This is not hyperbole. I believe this is indeed the fate of Penn State, endless civil war. Neither side will win, no one will convince the other side that it was wrong, no side will prove the other side is lying, and no one will ever admit to have lied unto death. PSU, clearly, will weather the unconscionable path of having lambasted and blamed its own alumni. It has money piled to the ceiling. The loss of donations is of no consequence to Penn State, that much is blatantly obvious.
PSU has finger-wagged the alumni for four years. Tsk-tsk-tsk. Nothing has changed, the place is booming with business, and the glorious stewards of PSU (many of whom never took a class here) continue to scold and nag their own spawn. The BOT has won. As nauseating as most of them are as human beings, they meet once a quarter, ignore questions, and then disappear. This happens again and again, nesting in a well-feathered bed of inoculation from accountability. None of us can change this protocol. Indeed all of us together cannot change it, pure intentions be damned. The amount of money that PSU has at its disposal must rival many US States. I have no doubt that the PSU war chest would dwarf the annual GDP of most western countries. It is an endless money machine; a very tight bubble wrap against reality. There is a deep, wide trough for the chosen people to stuff their faces and the only indication is that there will be more, and endlessly more money to be spread around with whatever degrees of fungibility are necessary to perpetuate the motion of the machine.
Like a lot of people my age, my high school no longer exists, so I compare this to PSU. Many of my classmates are still around and we loved the place and we talk about it whenever we get together. The school had its last graduating class in 07 or something. My compatriots and I graduated over 30 years before that. It's over. We were part of a nice tradition as HS classmates but it's gone. It will never return, nor will PSU. Franco is a wonderful cheerleader. That is his role. He's a great guy and he believes in the dream we once all shared and experienced. He's tilting at windmills. The people in charge, our betters, who embody the modern incarnation of Penn State will win. We will lose. Most of us will continue to wave the flag and pay for the tickets, the hotels, the Turnpike, drinks, breakfast, and gas, which explains my previous sentence. If not, there are 30,000 new people and their connections coming through here every four months who will.
So PSU is indeed bigger than all of us who have bitched and moaned for the last 4 years. It was interesting to read and it was good to vent and commiserate but we've all been whistling Dixie. PSU will endure, as will the endless corruption that fuels it.
Unfortunately, your post speaks the absolute truth. The Penn State I knew is gone. Whatever happens with respect to the new Penn State means absolutely nothing to me. Since 2011 I have driven by University Park a handful of times on my way to New York. I have about the same emotional attachment toward that place as I would a Holiday Inn. Complete emptiness.
Welcome to the endless civil war. People now despise Franco Harris, a relatively unassuming Hall of Fame NFL player and PSU alum a scant 4 years ago.
This is not hyperbole. I believe this is indeed the fate of Penn State, endless civil war. Neither side will win, no one will convince the other side that it was wrong, no side will prove the other side is lying, and no one will ever admit to have lied unto death. PSU, clearly, will weather the unconscionable path of having lambasted and blamed its own alumni. It has money piled to the ceiling. The loss of donations is of no consequence to Penn State, that much is blatantly obvious.
PSU has finger-wagged the alumni for four years. Tsk-tsk-tsk. Nothing has changed, the place is booming with business, and the glorious stewards of PSU (many of whom never took a class here) continue to scold and nag their own spawn. The BOT has won. As nauseating as most of them are as human beings, they meet once a quarter, ignore questions, and then disappear. This happens again and again, nesting in a well-feathered bed of inoculation from accountability. None of us can change this protocol. Indeed all of us together cannot change it, pure intentions be damned. The amount of money that PSU has at its disposal must rival many US States. I have no doubt that the PSU war chest would dwarf the annual GDP of most western countries. It is an endless money machine; a very tight bubble wrap against reality. There is a deep, wide trough for the chosen people to stuff their faces and the only indication is that there will be more, and endlessly more money to be spread around with whatever degrees of fungibility are necessary to perpetuate the motion of the machine.
Like a lot of people my age, my high school no longer exists, so I compare this to PSU. Many of my classmates are still around and we loved the place and we talk about it whenever we get together. The school had its last graduating class in 07 or something. My compatriots and I graduated over 30 years before that. It's over. We were part of a nice tradition as HS classmates but it's gone. It will never return, nor will PSU. Franco is a wonderful cheerleader. That is his role. He's a great guy and he believes in the dream we once all shared and experienced. He's tilting at windmills. The people in charge, our betters, who embody the modern incarnation of Penn State will win. We will lose. Most of us will continue to wave the flag and pay for the tickets, the hotels, the Turnpike, drinks, breakfast, and gas, which explains my previous sentence. If not, there are 30,000 new people and their connections coming through here every four months who will.
So PSU is indeed bigger than all of us who have bitched and moaned for the last 4 years. It was interesting to read and it was good to vent and commiserate but we've all been whistling Dixie. PSU will endure, as will the endless corruption that fuels it.
For the stooges from Old Main & PSAA that are most surely reading this thread.
Franco spoke of unchecked power and lies.
Your problems are NOT the Alumni - the genesis of all this rancor, ugliness and divisiveness springs from a singular lie.
A singular lie placed in a document.
A document crafted by a prosecutor.
A prosecutor with a license to lie and unchecked power.
That prosecutor is Frank Fina.
Old Main & the PSAA can easily fix this.
1. Apologize to Sue Paterno
2. Demand Frank Fina and his fellow OAG gunslingers own up to their lies and the damage those lies inflicted on the citizens across the commonwealth and their constitutional rights they were sworn to uphold.
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Let's be honest - if you only followed "votes and public speaking at the BOT meetings".....there wouldn't be much to differentiate them from the sheeple
I trust that these folks - the elected folks - are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better people than the Scoundrels (MUCH.....did I say that?)......
But, I will also say that I have - in fairness - gone WAY out of my way to learn as much as possible. For the more casual observer, in particular, communications have been disgracefully lacking (from all but one TTEE)
While important (the communication stuff, that is), that issue is a distant second to the lack of opposition - public, vocal opposition - to the Scoundrels - - - - and the lack of "presentment of proactive solutions" to the issues facing the University
Aside from the JVP/Statue/Freeh File stuff......the lack of proactive work from the elected folks wrt significant governance issues IS embarrassing. Horrendous, really
Feel free to check out wherever you want.....you certainly are under no obligationWelcome to the endless civil war. People now despise Franco Harris, a relatively unassuming Hall of Fame NFL player and PSU alum a scant 4 years ago.
This is not hyperbole. I believe this is indeed the fate of Penn State, endless civil war. Neither side will win, no one will convince the other side that it was wrong, no side will prove the other side is lying, and no one will ever admit to have lied unto death. PSU, clearly, will weather the unconscionable path of having lambasted and blamed its own alumni. It has money piled to the ceiling. The loss of donations is of no consequence to Penn State, that much is blatantly obvious.
PSU has finger-wagged the alumni for four years. Tsk-tsk-tsk. Nothing has changed, the place is booming with business, and the glorious stewards of PSU (many of whom never took a class here) continue to scold and nag their own spawn. The BOT has won. As nauseating as most of them are as human beings, they meet once a quarter, ignore questions, and then disappear. This happens again and again, nesting in a well-feathered bed of inoculation from accountability. None of us can change this protocol. Indeed all of us together cannot change it, pure intentions be damned. The amount of money that PSU has at its disposal must rival many US States. I have no doubt that the PSU war chest would dwarf the annual GDP of most western countries. It is an endless money machine; a very tight bubble wrap against reality. There is a deep, wide trough for the chosen people to stuff their faces and the only indication is that there will be more, and endlessly more money to be spread around with whatever degrees of fungibility are necessary to perpetuate the motion of the machine.
Like a lot of people my age, my high school no longer exists, so I compare this to PSU. Many of my classmates are still around and we loved the place and we talk about it whenever we get together. The school had its last graduating class in 07 or something. My compatriots and I graduated over 30 years before that. It's over. We were part of a nice tradition as HS classmates but it's gone. It will never return, nor will PSU. Franco is a wonderful cheerleader. That is his role. He's a great guy and he believes in the dream we once all shared and experienced. He's tilting at windmills. The people in charge, our betters, who embody the modern incarnation of Penn State will win. We will lose. Most of us will continue to wave the flag and pay for the tickets, the hotels, the Turnpike, drinks, breakfast, and gas, which explains my previous sentence. If not, there are 30,000 new people and their connections coming through here every four months who will.
So PSU is indeed bigger than all of us who have bitched and moaned for the last 4 years. It was interesting to read and it was good to vent and commiserate but we've all been whistling Dixie. PSU will endure, as will the endless corruption that fuels it.
Other than that though.......STFU
No
You can check out, and STFU..... Or, you can do what you can to have a positive impact,and bitch all you want
Who am I kidding? Do what you will. LOL.
One problem the member elected Alumni Council members are running into is that the staff of the Alumni Association have their fingers in their ears so they can't hear membership dissatisfaction. If you complain to the poor student getting $10/hr to call you for a donation they won't be forwarding your message. No one is reading the 'any other issues?' responses on the surveys. We need to go to the top, or at least the person who's making over a quarter of a million dollars a year to make these decisions.
So if you have a moment, email Penn State Alumni Association CEO Paul Clifford at pjc37@psu.edu and let him know you want the tape released. At the least, please educate him about the respect Penn State alumni have for Franco because he might not be aware - it seems Bloomsburg alumni don't share the same feelings.
If you'd rather call his number is 814-865-6516.
Paul asked us to judge him by his actions. He needs to see the judges scores.
I'm just not surprised by this anymore.
I sincerely hope you find out who considered this too "divisive" and refused to release the video. I assume Clifford (??) had a large part in making the call (or agreeing to follow orders rather than represent the alumni as he's been bragging.......for months now......that he was going to do if we just gave him a chance.......).
I hope you ask the AA magisterium if they would also ban a speech and consider it too "divisive" if someone got up there and praised the BoT for their behavior over the last 5 years? Since that would greatly anger the alumni (who the AA supposedly represent) would that be considered too "divisive" and be banned too??? (We all know, only too well, that their definition of "divisive" only cuts 1 way).
Once AGAIN, the PSU AA shows it does not represent the alumni.
Penn State is full of people who don't listen, can't admit error, and continue to resort to a blatant deception and lying campaign with alumni while under the pretense of 'reaching out'
We've heard Silvis was telling alumni and donors that they wanted to put the statue up but Scott Paterno wouldn't allow it. Total lie.
We've heard Paul Clifford (??) saying the AA were now listening and concerned with mending fences with the alumni.........,until forced with actually having to do something rather than just speak of theoretical "change". They continue to censor opposing views as "divisive". Another lie.
I'm sorry but the place is as rigged and broken as any I've ever seen. Anyone who sends a penny to Penn State (in any form) is feeding the problem- good intentions notwithstanding. The way the PSU administration plays the shell game with internal "loans"- no money is protected for any specific program ..........especially with the recent PMA insurance court decision.
The alumni reps are reviewing Freeh but reality is they are gagged by the court and while they may find inappropriate use of power and poor decision making, etc- they aren't going to find a 'smoking gun'. Anything improper they do find will be discussed in places like this but get zero coverage from PA (and other) media. Most PSU alums won't know the details and the alumni reps will certainly never be granted the AA contact info/ emails to communicate their case directly to all alumni. As a result, the status quo will continue.
I've reached my breaking point. It's like trying to fix a drunk or drug addict- nothing you do will work until the addict actually wants to change. Penn State administrators are in more denial right now than Johnny Manziel.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always." Mahatma GhandiWelcome to the endless civil war. People now despise Franco Harris, a relatively unassuming Hall of Fame NFL player and PSU alum a scant 4 years ago.
This is not hyperbole. I believe this is indeed the fate of Penn State, endless civil war. Neither side will win, no one will convince the other side that it was wrong, no side will prove the other side is lying, and no one will ever admit to have lied unto death. PSU, clearly, will weather the unconscionable path of having lambasted and blamed its own alumni. It has money piled to the ceiling. The loss of donations is of no consequence to Penn State, that much is blatantly obvious.
PSU has finger-wagged the alumni for four years. Tsk-tsk-tsk. Nothing has changed, the place is booming with business, and the glorious stewards of PSU (many of whom never took a class here) continue to scold and nag their own spawn. The BOT has won. As nauseating as most of them are as human beings, they meet once a quarter, ignore questions, and then disappear. This happens again and again, nesting in a well-feathered bed of inoculation from accountability. None of us can change this protocol. Indeed all of us together cannot change it, pure intentions be damned. The amount of money that PSU has at its disposal must rival many US States. I have no doubt that the PSU war chest would dwarf the annual GDP of most western countries. It is an endless money machine; a very tight bubble wrap against reality. There is a deep, wide trough for the chosen people to stuff their faces and the only indication is that there will be more, and endlessly more money to be spread around with whatever degrees of fungibility are necessary to perpetuate the motion of the machine.
Like a lot of people my age, my high school no longer exists, so I compare this to PSU. Many of my classmates are still around and we loved the place and we talk about it whenever we get together. The school had its last graduating class in 07 or something. My compatriots and I graduated over 30 years before that. It's over. We were part of a nice tradition as HS classmates but it's gone. It will never return, nor will PSU. Franco is a wonderful cheerleader. That is his role. He's a great guy and he believes in the dream we once all shared and experienced. He's tilting at windmills. The people in charge, our betters, who embody the modern incarnation of Penn State will win. We will lose. Most of us will continue to wave the flag and pay for the tickets, the hotels, the Turnpike, drinks, breakfast, and gas, which explains my previous sentence. If not, there are 30,000 new people and their connections coming through here every four months who will.
So PSU is indeed bigger than all of us who have bitched and moaned for the last 4 years. It was interesting to read and it was good to vent and commiserate but we've all been whistling Dixie. PSU will endure, as will the endless corruption that fuels it.
That's not all of what Ghandi said...... the gist was that tyrants (and lies) will inevitably fall - WHEN righteousness stands up to oppose them..... But, obviously, not until then
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Thanks for the info Mary.
Everyone should call him.
I have been on record - after meeting w P Clifford, as saying I don't think he is a "bad guy"....but just a functionary in a no-win situation.
I may have been overly gracious.
Between his unwillingness to stand for even the most basic principals of proper governance (wrt the functioning of Alumni Council), along with this current fiasco (assuming that what Mary is inferring - that it was Paul C's call to "ban the video"......and that would seem to be a reasonable inference, given that he is the AA CEO).......it would appear that Paul C is, indeed, one of the' "bad guys".
If so, mea culpa.
The PSAA is probably looking for a way to rescind the medal. If it were in their possession, it would be stored with the JoePa statue.
I just wrote Paul asking him to release the video. To my surprise, I was respectful (
). Should I receive a response from Paul, I will post it here.
Here is my letter to Mr. Clifford:
Good Morning Mr. Clifford,
I as a PSU alum, I have been made aware of the PSAA’s decision to not publicly release Franco Harris’ acceptance speech. I believe the excuse was it is too “divisive.” Too divisive for who? Why not let the alumni decide and discuss and come to that decision ourselves? I have a word for you……TRANSPARENCY. How about that word? Haven’t we all had enough of the Lies, Secrets, and NON-TRANSPARENCY the last four years to last us a lifetime? If you are truly a man of your word, you will listen to, and respect the wishes of the alumni of which you claim to serve and represent. If not, stand down and join the ranks of the PSAA’s real masters. We all know who they are. You have a choice. It’s time for you to show your true colors……
Sincerely,
Seems that NOT releasing the video is rather divisive.
I just wrote Paul asking him to release the video. To my surprise, I was respectful (
Oh sure to him you're respectful, to us you're outraged. We all should be outraged at him.
If you've ever met Franco in real life, the most obvious thing you notice is how genuine and down to earth he is. My God, you think - this man is in the Football Hall of Fame, and he's sitting here chatting with me, being gracious and humble and as normal as my next-door neighbor.
Whether that's JoePa's values - Franco learned to be that way from his time at Penn State or Joe just recruited guys like that, it makes me very proud to have Franco as a fellow alum. Here's a guy who is famous for what he did as a Pittsburgh Steeler, but who still has some amazing love for who he is as a Penn Stater.
I bet the time at PSU was part of it, but I think that was the way he was raised. I was acquainted with Pete back in the day. That's the way he was, too.
+1. Pete was a very nice guy. I had a photo journ class with him in '84. Not sure why he was taking the class then but I don't think he ever finished his degree so maybe thats why. IIRC he was working at an Italian restaurant downtown. He died waayy too young.
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got the links for those documents zipay?
CR666, for total transparency please delineate the amount of time,effort , and advice that Guion Bluford expended VIs-a-VIs SITF. Or did your copious document review miss the "Bluford Figurehead Engagement" email?
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Did someone at Penn State give you -- a non-trustee who had no right to see those documents -- access to documents that Penn State repeatedly claimed were privileged in legal filings?
Boy, that would really call into question the integrity of Penn State's legal team, now wouldn't it?
On the other hand, maybe you are just lying again.
Don't you know? CR666 is PSU outside legal. Explains the crapfest we've been involved in for 5 years.
I worked for companies with multiple legal subsidiaries that had requirements for periodic member meetings. Nobody was going to travel for these and I'm not even sure we had conference capability on our phone system in the early days. I would draw up the "minutes" necessary to meet the legal requirements and send mail them to the required signatories. My point is that the documents you speak of could have been prepared without ever having an in person or telephonic meeting. I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm just saying it's possible.
Yes, how WOULD Zippy know that??
Unless someone PAID him to say it?
Lubert still signing those checks to Troll social media??
Its a Golden Oldie, but what the hell:
Zippity-doo-dah!!
Zippity-doo-dah!!
This post got me thinking about when Pete was suspended for poor grades. I did a google search and found this article. It's off topic but it's still a great article from back in 1980. I thought you guys might enjoy it. It's a pretty good article even though the author doesn't know PSU is in State College.
http://www.si.com/vault/1980/03/17/...his-14th-year-as-football-coach-at-penn-state
Its a Golden Oldie, but what the hell:
Zippity-doo-dah!!
That looks like it was taken last week.
give the turd a break. he's having a hard time finding those IP addresses that prove he DID NOT harass multiple women on twitter with fake handles
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