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Franco cause of death

Wrong. They are fully approved, not EUA anymore.


Wrong. The FOI summaries indicate every reason to approve to lower severity of disease and prevent death which they are very effective, including a statistical zero on the latter. The data shows it. In addition, after actually billions of doses….the data is upheld. That people have died of Covid after having a vaccine, does not mean the data is wrong. The indication is for exactly what the data says and nothing else.


And this tech, as pointed out previously…is not new. There is long history of safety data.

Can’t believe I went down this rabbit hole again having to provide actual facts. But, hey…who am to know. Just a person who was involved on some of that phase I and II work before 2010.
You’re defending the gain of function research that killed millions to ease your conscience.
 
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Active message board viewers are conspiracy theorists at a much higher rate than the general public.
If only Ernie Holmes, Mike Webster, Steve Courson, LC Greenwood, Jim Clack, Ray Mansfield, Dwight White, Sam Davis and any other 70's Steeler I left out hadn't expired prior to Franco we could have pronounced them dead due a vaccination too....Genius!
 
JT thomas said he received a call around 2 AM with the news. So I am assuming that means the event happened earlier. No one really knows as there has been no info given as to what happened. At this point I don’t expect any and if that is their choice, that is certainly their right.
Thank you Meister,
You are always welcome in my house.
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Cmon guys stay in your freakin lane. We have the best scientists in the world telling you to take the vaccines and you think you know better, Geesh. Now you clowns are probably gonna come at me and say we really don’t have the best scientists, blah blah blah. Stop hijacking’s threads and becoming part of the problem. Its the same old boring crap.
+1000% --- thank you.
 
Perhaps I'm too old to be angry. It might have something to do with some close friends I lost in the early going.
I'm willing to accept that medical science was completely unprepared for this pandemic as were virtually all government agencies.
I'm fully vaccinated (age 72) and I had COVID in July. It was a piece of cake. I'm glad I didn't get it 2 years ago.
I don't feel the need to rally people to get vaccinated nor do I understand why those who aren't want so desperately to prove they are right.
Things were pretty crazy for awhile, but like any "revolution," things seem to be settling back to about where they should be.
IMO, people should be more upset and vigilant with the everyday behavior of congress (in particular) and how both parties piss on us at every possible opportunity. 20.30.40 years in the senate or congress and accruing vast fortunes while earning 174,000 per annum is quite an outrage.
Just for the record, I'm a lifelong registered Independent and both parties have failed the American People. To think that the last 3 candidates are the best this nation has to offer.....now, IMO, this is something to be angry about. Not me, however......I won't have long to live with the consequences.
Some of the comments on this highjacked thread provide considerable insight on how we get a Donald Trump (and others) vying for our highest office. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party represent a minority of the voters in our country, as most are moderates and neither far right OR far left.
 
Every year on Joe’s birthday, jay comes to my family’s restaurant for paterno burgers. He usually brings about 7 other people, him and his son just drove the 40 minute drive, picked the burgers up and headed home this year. I have yet to reach out, because I know how devastated the paternos are. Out of respect to a man that’s done more good things in his life, then many people combined, just show some class and respect. No need to get political from a few, here. Just keep celebrating his lifetime of achievements.
 
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Some of the comments on this highjacked thread provide considerable insight on how we get a Donald Trump (and others) vying for our highest office. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party represent a minority of the voters in our country, as most are moderates and neither far right OR far left.
Trump won because people know that both parties don’t give a damn about the people and sold us all out to China and globalists.
 
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Only with respect to altering genetics of offspring of vaxxed. I'm ok with saying the current studies claiming evidence of this require further research. Not a great sell to women of child bearing age though when their risk due to covid is infinitesimal.

However, with respect to what I wrote about those shots being mRNA that produce foreign proteins that had not previously existed in nature, that is not up for debate. It is the mechanism by which the shots purport to provide rapidly waning protection from covid.
"Infinitesimal"- So you somehow know what the impacts of Covid, even when mild, are in the long term (i.e. 5 to 10 years)? Do tell...
 
Some of the comments on this highjacked thread provide considerable insight on how we get a Donald Trump (and others) vying for our highest office. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party represent a minority of the voters in our country, as most are moderates and neither far right OR far left.
And some provide considerable insight as to how we get an Anthony Fauci funding gain of function research in a Chinese laboratory.
 
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Some of the comments on this highjacked thread provide considerable insight on how we get a Donald Trump (and others) vying for our highest office. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party represent a minority of the voters in our country, as most are moderates and neither far right OR far left.
Don't forget, the masses are asses.
 
I've lived in TN 14 years and the banjo remark has been more than earned. More meth use than anywhere I have lived. Top 10 for such dubious honors as burned down and condemned meth cooking houses, infant mortality rate, poverty, sewage in well water, residences with no septic system, short life expectancy, among highest rate of diabetes and suicide... I could go on.

There is much natural beauty here and areas where the state is catching up to 1980's technology. In our 14 years here along with my two sons, invested in safe municipal water lines in growing small towns. Given endless hours to grant writing for upgrading water and sewer lines, adding fiber optic lines and getting public ROW laws changed along with providing for the homeless.

So, you can call what I posted as lecturing. But they are more appropriately called facts. What do you know about Tennessee and what have you done to make it better? Franco was all about seeking facts and making other's lives better. What do all of you conspiracy perpetual motion machines make better.
 
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He never won a popular vote, won an electoral college that was due to people being against Hillary Clinton moreso than for a game show host.
Read up on the "new jersey" plan. When the framers of the constitutional convention met to get the 13 states together, the small states said that they weren't going to join. why? Because at the time, the largest states far and away were VA and NY. They knew they would have no voice. So the notion of a senate and a house was devised so that smaller states had to be heard in order to get anything done. That carried over to regional powers in relation to getting a POTUS elected.

Trump didn't campaign in NY or CA. No Republican does. It's a waste of time and money. Trump Campaigned in WI, PA, OH, MI and FL. That is where he won.

Complaining about not getting the popular vote is the same as saying your football team had more total yards yet lost the game. Total yards is meaningless in terms of the W or L.
 
See saying “game show host” defines you more than him.
Reality bites. The guy is a gameshow host, like literally. He was a President for four years too, but he was a game show host for a longer period.
Troy Aikman was a football player, then he became an announcer, but he's widely recognized for being a football player, even though most recently he is an announcer.
 
Read up on the "new jersey" plan. When the framers of the constitutional convention met to get the 13 states together, the small states said that they weren't going to join. why? Because at the time, the largest states far and away were VA and NY. They knew they would have no voice. So the notion of a senate and a house was devised so that smaller states had to be heard in order to get anything done. That carried over to regional powers in relation to getting a POTUS elected.

Trump didn't campaign in NY or CA. No Republican does. It's a waste of time and money. Trump Campaigned in WI, PA, OH, MI and FL. That is where he won.

Complaining about not getting the popular vote is the same as saying your football team had more total yards yet lost the game. Total yards is meaningless in terms of the W or L.
The total yards thing is the same analogy I use. There's not a contest to get the most total yards, there's a contest to get the most points, so saying "Yeah, but our team got more total yards" is meaningless.

If the election was decided by who got the most total votes then everyone would campaign differently and it's not clear who would get the most total votes.
 
He never won a popular vote, won an electoral college that was due to people being against Hillary Clinton moreso than for a game show host.
The people were against Hilary Clinton but they were against more than that. Hilary Clinton was clearly a terrible candidate in terms of being an effective national politician. That's saying nothing about her policies. You can like her policies if you want, but regardless of that she is plainly a terrible politician, and yet the entire media establishment holds her up as the person that should be President. That dynamic is what lots of people voted against.

ETA: I say that has someone that (regrettably) voted for someone like Hilary Clinton. I can't believe how gullible I was. Never again will I just follow establishment orders and vote for who they tell me to vote for.
 
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The total yards thing is the same analogy I use. There's not a contest to get the most total yards, there's a contest to get the most points, so saying "Yeah, but our team got more total yards" is meaningless.

If the election was decided by who got the most total votes then everyone would campaign differently and it's not clear who would get the most total votes.
agreed. When you listened to the two candidate's post mortem, most said that Hillary spent too much time in front of her adorers in CA and NY getting money. Trump spent his time in the battleground states. Hillary knew she lost the night before when she canceled her celebration party.
 
"Infinitesimal"- So you somehow know what the impacts of Covid, even when mild, are in the long term (i.e. 5 to 10 years)? Do tell...
Not sure of your point. 1. The covid shots do not prevent covid infection and they no longer even pretend that it does and 2. So you somehow know what the impacts of mRNA producing foreign proteins that didn't even exist previously in nature are in the long term (i.e. 5 to 10 years)? Do tell...
 
I've lived in TN 14 years and the banjo remark has been more than earned. More meth use than anywhere I have lived. Top 10 for such dubious honors as burned down and condemned meth cooking houses, infant mortality rate, poverty, sewage in well water, residences with no septic system, short life expectancy, among highest rate of diabetes and suicide... I could go on.

There is much natural beauty here and areas where the state is catching up to 1980's technology. In our 14 years here along with my two sons, invested in safe municipal water lines in growing small towns. Given endless hours to grant writing for upgrading water and sewer lines, adding fiber optic lines and getting public ROW laws changed along with providing for the homeless.

So, you can call what I posted as lecturing. But they are more appropriately called facts. What do you know about Tennessee and what have you done to make it better? Franco was all about seeking facts and making other's lives better. What do all of you conspiracy perpetual motion machines make better.
This is pure BS to say your prejudices against all people of Tennessee that you have denigrated fit your stereotype.

What would you say to another poster if they rattled off murder and crime rates, looting and property destruction data, children born out of wedlock, etc. of minorities in cities run by democrats for the last 50 to 100 years and then claimed it justified them using slurs against those minorities?

That's the same thing you are doing painting with a broad brush to attack people who simply vote differently than you do. It's disgusting.
 
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I've lived in TN 14 years and the banjo remark has been more than earned. More meth use than anywhere I have lived. Top 10 for such dubious honors as burned down and condemned meth cooking houses, infant mortality rate, poverty, sewage in well water, residences with no septic system, short life expectancy, among highest rate of diabetes and suicide... I could go on.

There is much natural beauty here and areas where the state is catching up to 1980's technology. In our 14 years here along with my two sons, invested in safe municipal water lines in growing small towns. Given endless hours to grant writing for upgrading water and sewer lines, adding fiber optic lines and getting public ROW laws changed along with providing for the homeless.

So, you can call what I posted as lecturing. But they are more appropriately called facts. What do you know about Tennessee and what have you done to make it better? Franco was all about seeking facts and making other's lives better. What do all of you conspiracy perpetual motion machines make better.

Where you live was our original target area for retirement. We did not wind up there, but in our current location (outside our gates) I would not doubt that some of the problems you describe do exist, though I think not as bad. I won't specify, but my state is conservative, for now.

So where are you going to avoid America's decadent decline? Big liberal cities? I would think not. Crowded Florida? Probably not. The West? Being overrun by fleeing Californians.

My guess is that you wind up in one of the Carolinas, in the western part of the state, and not too far from your current location.

These states are turning purple as northerners flee their own tyranny. You may be in for another disappointment.

You can take the person out of a state but you can't take the politics out of the person.
 
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Same. We lost a legend. No idea if he is a victim of the millions undiagnosed during covid-only health care policies or if the vaccine had an impact or if it was just his time. It did seem odd how great he seemed and said he felt in the interview the day prior.
What???? Why would you even think that a vaccine played into a sudden death of a 72 year old? Paranoia runs rampant. Oh wait, I see that I'm suddenly sprouting a second head. Nevermind, maybe you have a point.
 
Reality bites. The guy is a gameshow host, like literally. He was a President for four years too, but he was a game show host for a longer period.
Troy Aikman was a football player, then he became an announcer, but he's widely recognized for being a football player, even though most recently he is an announcer.
So the fact that he was a major real estate developer in NYC for decades doesn’t count. Or that he is a national developer of real estate and golf courses. Or that he has real estate developments world wide. And other business interest’s.

You attempts of diminish him actually greatly diminish you. It shows you as a political hack. Wear it proudly.
 
You’re defending the gain of function research that killed millions to ease your conscience.
Gain of Function is nonsense

Dr. Saeed Qureshi, 40 years’ experience as scientist- 30 years with Health Canada as scientist, looks at Gain of Function
https://bioanalyticx.com/gain-of-function-research-as-fake-as-the-virus/

It’s Gain of Fiction Story Time
https://viroliegy.com/2022/10/24/its-gain-of-fiction-story-time-with-rfk-jr-and-friends/

Mike goes through exactly they’re doing in these gain of fiction experiments.
https://drtomcowan.com/blogs/podcasts/57-mike-stone

Bioweapon BS
https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/viruses-unplugged/bioweapons-bs/

Gain of Function or Science Fiction? with Dr. Sam Bailey
https://unitelive.earth/the-way-forward/health-freedom-for-humanity?recording_id=1272

Gain of function garbage
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/gain-of-function-garbage:c

The “Gain of Function” false narrative. Let’s have a look at some of the “fear-porn” promoters of these stories and why they are leading people astray with pseudoscience.
https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/germ-theory/virologie-nights/

Cowan GAIN OF FICTION: DISCUSSING LAB-CREATED "VIRUSES" WEBINAR
 
Gain of Function is nonsense

Dr. Saeed Qureshi, 40 years’ experience as scientist- 30 years with Health Canada as scientist, looks at Gain of Function
https://bioanalyticx.com/gain-of-function-research-as-fake-as-the-virus/

It’s Gain of Fiction Story Time
https://viroliegy.com/2022/10/24/its-gain-of-fiction-story-time-with-rfk-jr-and-friends/

Mike goes through exactly they’re doing in these gain of fiction experiments.
https://drtomcowan.com/blogs/podcasts/57-mike-stone

Bioweapon BS
https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/viruses-unplugged/bioweapons-bs/

Gain of Function or Science Fiction? with Dr. Sam Bailey
https://unitelive.earth/the-way-forward/health-freedom-for-humanity?recording_id=1272

Gain of function garbage
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/gain-of-function-garbage:c

The “Gain of Function” false narrative. Let’s have a look at some of the “fear-porn” promoters of these stories and why they are leading people astray with pseudoscience.
https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/germ-theory/virologie-nights/

Cowan GAIN OF FICTION: DISCUSSING LAB-CREATED "VIRUSES" WEBINAR
It was created in a lab. The patents exist to prove it. So does the money trail between Fauci/DARPA and, first, UNC Chapel Hill, then Wuhan. And now, so do the deaths.

Why else would that research have been moved from UNC to the Wuhan lab right after Obama signed a moratorium on gain of function research?

You can't hide the truth forever.
 
What???? Why would you even think that a vaccine played into a sudden death of a 72 year old? Paranoia runs rampant. Oh wait, I see that I'm suddenly sprouting a second head. Nevermind, maybe you have a point.
I didn't say it did. I said it could be a contributing factor and that's accurate. I also said it could be a number of other things including just age. It did seem odd that he was fine and doing an interview earlier that day.

Lots of blood clot issues with the vaccine. A friend of mine from high school just told me the other day that they discovered a huge unexplained clot in her during back surgery @ age 49. She's convinced it was due to the vaccine. The doctors had no other explanation for her. Another friend I played baseball with died at 49 from a sudden heart attack earlier this year and he was healthy and active but vaxxed. Another guy a year ahead of him at our same HS also died suddenly at 50. The husband of a really close friend growing up died last year suddenly as well at 52.

Now maybe it's all coincidence or that happens as you approach the big 5 0, but it seems odd to me. There is something that changed in the past couple of years that may or may not be contributing. But statistically speaking, I doubt that so many around that age should be all passing suddenly without any real warning in the same year or so.
 
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I didn't say it did. I said it could be a contributing factor and that's accurate. I also said it could be a number of other things including just age. It did seem odd that he was fine and doing an interview earlier that day.

Lots of blood clot issues with the vaccine. A friend of mine from high school just told me the other day that they discovered a huge unexplained clot in her during back surgery @ age 49. She's convinced it was due to the vaccine. The doctors had no other explanation for her. Another friend I played baseball with died at 49 from a sudden heart attack earlier this year and he was healthy and active but vaxxed. Another guy a year ahead of him at our same HS also died suddenly at 50. The husband of a really close friend growing up died last year suddenly as well at 52.

Now maybe it's all coincidence or that happens as you approach the big 5 0, but it seems odd to me. There is something that changed in the past couple of years that may or may not be contributing. But statistically speaking, I doubt that so many around that age should be all passing suddenly without any real warning in the same year or so.
Sadly, it is common in 45-55 age group. Knew several people that died of sudden heart attacks in the age group plus a couple that survived. Well before the Wuhan and the vaccine hit. And with our terrible diets, sedentary lifestyles and obesity it is getting more common.
 
I didn't say it did. I said it could be a contributing factor and that's accurate. I also said it could be a number of other things including just age. It did seem odd that he was fine and doing an interview earlier that day.

Lots of blood clot issues with the vaccine. A friend of mine from high school just told me the other day that they discovered a huge unexplained clot in her during back surgery @ age 49. She's convinced it was due to the vaccine. The doctors had no other explanation for her. Another friend I played baseball with died at 49 from a sudden heart attack earlier this year and he was healthy and active but vaxxed. Another guy a year ahead of him at our same HS also died suddenly at 50. The husband of a really close friend growing up died last year suddenly as well at 52.

Now maybe it's all coincidence or that happens as you approach the big 5 0, but it seems odd to me. There is something that changed in the past couple of years that may or may not be contributing. But statistically speaking, I doubt that so many around that age should be all passing suddenly without any real warning in the same year or so.
So, after all the chatter about covid, Trump, Hillary, etc. Has anyone seen a cause of death?
 
Let us please have this discussion on the Covid thread.

Franco was a great man. Very rare.

Let him and his memory Rest In Peace.

No harshness intended.
This thread began to discuss Franco’s cause of death. Are you objecting to that topic in general, or just the vaccine speculation in particular?
 
This thread began to discuss Franco’s cause of death. Are you objecting to that topic in general, or just the vaccine speculation in particular?
I object to extending the cause of his death to any political jihad.

As many know, I’m as political as they come.

But I think that trying to score vaxx or anti vaxx points off of this sad occcurence isn’t good.
 
This thread began to discuss Franco’s cause of death. Are you objecting to that topic in general, or just the vaccine speculation in particular?
He’s telling you go back to test board with your group of conspiracy loons bioweapon db
 
There are a lot of wack jobs on this board. I would like to think they are NOT Psu grads.
 
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