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Dumpster fire continues to burn at MSU [Update: MasterCard pulls $45 million sponsorship]

No. Other way around. Counsel talking without counsel present is prohibited.
Try again, big fella.
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I am not in any way absolving MSU of guilt. However, I am from the older generation and I sometimes fail to understand the world today. Is there anyone else who wonders where the parents were here? The argument in the Sandusky case was understandable. His victims were without stable homes and often without adult guidance and structure.
These little girls and young ladies did not come from disadvantaged back rounds. Club gymnastics is not an inexpensive activity. If a child was injured so severely that she needed a specialist.....wouldn't you insist (a mother in this case) being present? I'd like to think if I had a daughter, I'd draw the line on Olympic dreams, if it meant that sort of treatment. It's hard for me to fathom that at least some of these parents didn't know about the nature of the treatment and only recently it has "dawned" on them that it was criminal.
Some of them were in the room when Nasser was fingering their daughter.
 
Interim President Engler: Statement on survivor discussion, April 13, 2018
I met with Kaylee and Lisa Lorincz’s on March 28. Also in the meeting were Carol Viventi and Emily Guerrant. We felt it was important to hear her experience as a survivor first-hand, as well as her ideas on how to improve our processes and culture. Given the current litigation, opportunities to speak with survivors are rare.

Our memories and interpretations of the March 28 meeting are different than hers. I am sorry if anything said during the meeting was misunderstood. Regardless, since mediation of all claims begins on April 25, there will be an appropriate place for discussions concerning what would be a fair and equitable resolution.

We, too, hope for a joint resolution to these heinous crimes. We’ll be working for an equitable settlement to allow all the survivors to move forward in their process of healing.

--John Engler, MSU Interim President
So Engler and troops met with them to dip their foot in the water by asking them if $250,000 would be enough to settle with victims given the current litigation and their first hand experiences. No denial in the statement. More like we didn't offer $250,000 but were wondering if that amount would be reasonable. Geez. That doesn't look bad at all.
 
I don’t think it was as much as trying to hide anything... the BOT was just so... out of their league... amateurs... if PSU was somehow a Publically Traded Company... a Corporation... the idiots would have been fired a long time ago... Peetz...Ericcson...Surma... Frazier...add Baldwin...will never forget how awful they were...
I'd buy that, but Frazier is no amateur - he brutalized Vioxx victims and saved Merck billions. We know Surma's brother was out to get Joe. Erickson acted publicly like he was saving us from the death penalty with the consent decree, while behind closed doors he was practically telling the NCAA how to punish us when he had signed off on Sandusky's emeritus status giving him access to University Facilities (granted that may have come from above). For a career academic he was surprisingly duplicitous and power hungry. Peetz and Baldwin may be incompetent, but Baldwin is also dishonest and should have been disbarred for making Spanier, Schultz and Curley think she was representing them in front of the grand jury while she was representing Penn State.
 
“In a press release, Manly, Stewart & Finaldi, the law firm representing Lorincz in a civil suit against MSU, noted that the $250,000 Lorincz said Engler offered her ‘was less than 10% of the average amount that Penn State University paid to the male victims of Jerry Sandusky.’"
Proof-positive that the reach and scope of this board travels deep and far.

Exhibit A: Manly's quote was pretty much copied and pasted from the OP here from 3 hours earlier.
Board meeting is becoming chaos: Kaylee Lorincz, Nassar survivor, says she and mom met with Engler, who asked her "If I wrote you a check for $250k, would that be enough?"

Interesting to see MSU trying to settle with Nassar's victims for less than 1/10th of what Penn State averaged per payout.
 
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    This board has been an embarrassment over the past few weeks. Look, everyone hates trial by media, everyone hates unsubstantiated claims, everyone hates rushing to judgment. Everyone hates that the decisions of very few people have put this proud university in a very bad spot.

    But guys even in a light taken most favorable to MSU, the university clearly has major problems and continues to make them worse at every mind-numbing turn. We've drifted past the point of MSU having much, if any, benefit of the doubt. There's just too much smoke. And just when shit can't seem to get any worse, it does. That's where we're at.

    Does it mean MSU needs to be shut down? No. Does it mean everyone attached to MSU is bad? No. Does it mean MSU will never recover? No.

    But PLEASE....Stop defending stupid fvcking decisions. Stop the hostility towards victims. Stop the bullshit justifications. Stop.

    We are better than this.
 
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    This board has been an embarrassment over the past few weeks. Look, everyone hates trial by media, everyone hates unsubstantiated claims, everyone hates rushing to judgment. Everyone hates that the decisions of very few people have put this proud university in a very bad spot.

    But guys even in a light taken most favorable to MSU, the university clearly has major problems and continues to make them worse at every mind-numbing turn. We've drifted past the point of MSU having much, if any, benefit of the doubt. There's just too much smoke. And just when shit can't seem to get any worse, it does. That's where we're at.

    Does it mean MSU needs to be shut down? No. Does it mean everyone attached to MSU is bad? No. Does it mean MSU will never recover? No.

    But PLEASE....Stop defending stupid fvcking decisions. Stop the hostility towards victims. Stop the bullshit justifications. Stop.

    We are better than this.
Wow. That sure looks familiar.
 
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    This board has been an embarrassment over the past few weeks. Look, everyone hates trial by media, everyone hates unsubstantiated claims, everyone hates rushing to judgment. Everyone hates that the decisions of very few people have put this proud university in a very bad spot.

    But guys even in a light taken most favorable to MSU, the university clearly has major problems and continues to make them worse at every mind-numbing turn. We've drifted past the point of MSU having much, if any, benefit of the doubt. There's just too much smoke. And just when shit can't seem to get any worse, it does. That's where we're at.

    Does it mean MSU needs to be shut down? No. Does it mean everyone attached to MSU is bad? No. Does it mean MSU will never recover? No.

    But PLEASE....Stop defending stupid fvcking decisions. Stop the hostility towards victims. Stop the bullshit justifications. Stop.

    We are better than this.
Punisher99 18625 posts
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Also for those comparing this to Penn State I am really getting tired of that as well.

Penn State had a guy on their football staff who multiple people (parents/coaches etc) physically saw committing horrible acts on a child or at the very least doing very suspicious things with children (showering, "horseplay" etc)

Penn State's football coach, president, and athletic director all actively worked together to cover-up what was going on at the university.

Nassar was a DOCTOR, not a football coach. He was considered to be one of the best at what he did in the country by a lot of people. Its a lot harder to call a doctor out who is doing procedures than it is to deal with a situation like Sandusky. I think by the time MSU realized exactly what was going on it was way way too late.

Not to say they haven't royally ****ed this up in how they have handled it, but I spent five years in East Lansing and I'm sorry I don't believe it is this bastion of evil that everyone is now making it out to be. Horrible mistakes were made but I think it was a lot harder to prevent the Nassar situation than it was Sandusky. If that makes me a bad guy I guess I'll have to own it
 
Punisher99 18625 posts
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Also for those comparing this to Penn State I am really getting tired of that as well.

Penn State had a guy on their football staff who multiple people (parents/coaches etc) physically saw committing horrible acts on a child or at the very least doing very suspicious things with children (showering, "horseplay" etc)

Penn State's football coach, president, and athletic director all actively worked together to cover-up what was going on at the university.

Nassar was a DOCTOR, not a football coach. He was considered to be one of the best at what he did in the country by a lot of people. Its a lot harder to call a doctor out who is doing procedures than it is to deal with a situation like Sandusky. I think by the time MSU realized exactly what was going on it was way way too late.

Not to say they haven't royally ****ed this up in how they have handled it, but I spent five years in East Lansing and I'm sorry I don't believe it is this bastion of evil that everyone is now making it out to be. Horrible mistakes were made but I think it was a lot harder to prevent the Nassar situation than it was Sandusky. If that makes me a bad guy I guess I'll have to own it
That poor, stupid, deluded sonofabitch actually believes it, too. I wonder what he would say about the notion that all his facts are wrong, and they covered up Nassar KNOWING FULL WELL about Jerry?

Everybody's going to get their time in the box, Sparty. This is yours.
 
Punisher99 18625 posts
21 hours ago
Also for those comparing this to Penn State I am really getting tired of that as well.

Penn State had a guy on their football staff who multiple people (parents/coaches etc) physically saw committing horrible acts on a child or at the very least doing very suspicious things with children (showering, "horseplay" etc)

Penn State's football coach, president, and athletic director all actively worked together to cover-up what was going on at the university.

Nassar was a DOCTOR, not a football coach. He was considered to be one of the best at what he did in the country by a lot of people. Its a lot harder to call a doctor out who is doing procedures than it is to deal with a situation like Sandusky. I think by the time MSU realized exactly what was going on it was way way too late.

Not to say they haven't royally ****ed this up in how they have handled it, but I spent five years in East Lansing and I'm sorry I don't believe it is this bastion of evil that everyone is now making it out to be. Horrible mistakes were made but I think it was a lot harder to prevent the Nassar situation than it was Sandusky. If that makes me a bad guy I guess I'll have to own it
Well he spelled "Penn State" correctly at least.
 
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Yep, a litany of parents and coaches saw Sandusky raping kids in the shower.

Parents watched their daughters get molested by Nassar

it is amazing the contortions he goes through to try and deflect SOME amount of the crap pile hitting MSU right now

Sadly, this type of tribalism undermines what we now know about Nice Guy Predators . . .
 
Punisher99 18625 posts
21 hours ago
Also for those comparing this to Penn State I am really getting tired of that as well.

Penn State had a guy on their football staff who multiple people (parents/coaches etc) physically saw committing horrible acts on a child or at the very least doing very suspicious things with children (showering, "horseplay" etc)

Penn State's football coach, president, and athletic director all actively worked together to cover-up what was going on at the university.

Nassar was a DOCTOR, not a football coach. He was considered to be one of the best at what he did in the country by a lot of people. Its a lot harder to call a doctor out who is doing procedures than it is to deal with a situation like Sandusky. I think by the time MSU realized exactly what was going on it was way way too late.

Not to say they haven't royally ****ed this up in how they have handled it, but I spent five years in East Lansing and I'm sorry I don't believe it is this bastion of evil that everyone is now making it out to be. Horrible mistakes were made but I think it was a lot harder to prevent the Nassar situation than it was Sandusky. If that makes me a bad guy I guess I'll have to own it
GhostofJohnGoss said... (original post)
I actually totally agree. I think there was an active cover-up at PSU that involved many higher ups, and I don't really think anyone at MSU (maybe outside of Strampel) covered anything up. I think the PSU situation is much, much worse than what's gone down at MSU, which at its core involves substantial and pervasive incompetence compounded by horrible, horrible strategic responses. But to hear some people on here bend over backwards to continue to defend these things is baffling. That's the comparison.

https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/Board/Michigan-State-Spartans-Message-Board-Forum-93
 
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I'm still aggravated that nobody, absolutely nobody, in our administration ever corrects the record. For some reason they are perfectly satisfied that many people out there believe this drivel, and they don't care one bit.
you really don't understand why? look at the outrage over Engler; that is why no one at PSU speaks out
 
GhostofJohnGoss said... (original post)
I actually totally agree. I think there was an active cover-up at PSU that involved many higher ups, and I don't really think anyone at MSU (maybe outside of Strampel) covered anything up. I think the PSU situation is much, much worse than what's gone down at MSU, which at its core involves substantial and pervasive incompetence compounded by horrible, horrible strategic responses. But to hear some people on here bend over backwards to continue to defend these things is baffling. That's the comparison.

https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/Board/Michigan-State-Spartans-Message-Board-Forum-93
Remarkable blindness.
 
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Can we please act better than the Penn State nutjobs?

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  1. GhostofJohnGoss 1989 posts
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    This board has been an embarrassment over the past few weeks. Look, everyone hates trial by media, everyone hates unsubstantiated claims, everyone hates rushing to judgment. Everyone hates that the decisions of very few people have put this proud university in a very bad spot.

    But guys even in a light taken most favorable to MSU, the university clearly has major problems and continues to make them worse at every mind-numbing turn. We've drifted past the point of MSU having much, if any, benefit of the doubt. There's just too much smoke. And just when shit can't seem to get any worse, it does. That's where we're at.

    Does it mean MSU needs to be shut down? No. Does it mean everyone attached to MSU is bad? No. Does it mean MSU will never recover? No.

    But PLEASE....Stop defending stupid fvcking decisions. Stop the hostility towards victims. Stop the bullshit justifications. Stop.

    We are better than this.

Since when is michigan state a “proud university”?
 
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Punisher99 18625 posts
21 hours ago
Also for those comparing this to Penn State I am really getting tired of that as well.

Penn State had a guy on their football staff who multiple people (parents/coaches etc) physically saw committing horrible acts on a child or at the very least doing very suspicious things with children (showering, "horseplay" etc)

Penn State's football coach, president, and athletic director all actively worked together to cover-up what was going on at the university.

Nassar was a DOCTOR, not a football coach. He was considered to be one of the best at what he did in the country by a lot of people. Its a lot harder to call a doctor out who is doing procedures than it is to deal with a situation like Sandusky. I think by the time MSU realized exactly what was going on it was way way too late.

Not to say they haven't royally ****ed this up in how they have handled it, but I spent five years in East Lansing and I'm sorry I don't believe it is this bastion of evil that everyone is now making it out to be. Horrible mistakes were made but I think it was a lot harder to prevent the Nassar situation than it was Sandusky. If that makes me a bad guy I guess I'll have to own it
That's a whole lot of stupid. It sounds like something you'd see posted by one of the morons on the Pitt board. My guess is they know it isn't true but they post it anyway with hopes it'll gain traction. Astroturfing at its worst.
 
That's a whole lot of stupid. It sounds like something you'd see posted by one of the morons on the Pitt board. My guess is they know it isn't true but they post it anyway with hopes it'll gain traction. Astroturfing at its worst.
they 100% believe what they say to be true, don't doubt that
 
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