Do I trust Barron to make the decision? No more than Donald trump (or Hillary). But like trump he is who we got.
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He is who we got, so don't pretend he will use data he does not have and won't use if you give it to him.
He will make the decision on revenues, because he takes credit for them. Costs, even if his decisions raise them, are always someone else's problem.
He will make the decision on revenues, because he takes credit for them. Costs, even if his decisions raise them, are always someone else's problem.
What relevance does that have? What I might want or whether Sandusky was in a fraternity or not has nothing to do with the two hazing lawsuits that Penn State is currently facing.
I said I was leaving this thread because it's beaten to death, but you seem to want to keep going even if you don't read your own posts.
Barron will have some data. Development officers know the affiliations, spouse's affiliations, kid's affiliations, parents' affiliations, etc. of every multimillionaire who ever went to PSU. They know how to quantify their possible contributions and how to ask for it. It is a science and it is how they make their money, not just PSU's. So, for illustration, this is one data sampling that will be given to Barron.
If you posit that Barron will base his decision on short term and short sighted numbers, maybe you are right. I don't know Barron or his goals. I don't think you do either.
I just keep raising questions in this thread without pretending to know the answers. You keep giving the same answer without listening to the questions. I know a guy with 2 PSU kids (grownup) and he accuses them of the same behavior. He named it the Penn State disease. It is comical to watch them bicker. You may have a terminal case.
You seem to be awfully impressed with Barron's sagacity. Funny that your one example is from the revenue side, just as I said Barron would view it.
Not gonna work. He ignores the cost and risk, just like those who hired him do not seem to care how much a building costs so long as Dambly gets his chunk, and Ira gets his.
I wonder if they were frat boys too?
Not gonna work. He ignores the cost and risk, just like those who hired him do not seem to care how much a building costs so long as Dambly gets his chunk, and Ira gets his.
I wonder if they were frat boys too?
Are you trolling or just having fun?
I said I don't know Barron and have no reason to trust him. But he is the president not you or me. You lost your campaign so you don't have a seat at that table.
Revenue side? Without revenue you close the doors. Feel free to explain how to quantify the risks.
You say Barron ignores the costs of building. Has he built anything yet?
Rank? If you mean am I a target for a large donation I am a nobody. Even so I have had lunch with two different development guys before they realized I wasnt worth their time.
I am neither trolling nor having fun. You have no evidence whatsoever of what Barron will or will not consider. Moreover, Barrons administration is in charge of the massive overspending for dorms at abingdon and the other campus. You follow this stuff or are you just trolling?
So these development guys know every detail, but in the only situation of which you are aware, they wasted time having lunch with you twice. Good point.
In response to Piazza, Barron has hugged the frats tighter. Let's see how that works out. Hugging them tighter costs $$. Seen any estimate of how much? No. They don't know how much, and they don't care.
So, are they just going to hold the line on donations, or will this tighter regulation make donations from frat families explode?
The perfect PSU outcome is, they spend more resources regulating frats, it causes donations to go down or stay flat, and then some frat breaking the rules kills another "brother" and it's a lose, lose, lose.
Am I alone in finding the idea that Barron will decide anything to be laughable?
I think Barron will do what Ira tells him to do.
I think Barron will do what Ira tells him to do.
No I don't know anything about Abingdon dorms. I just asked the question because I don't know about recent construction and assumed that Barron had not had time to instigate any.
I had lunch with a development guy from my major who was finalizing a donation from a guy nearby who was dying and who told this guy to give me a call. The other contact was with a guy from a branch campus. I don't think UP shares much info with the branches. Like the buzzards in WV, development guys are not afraid to get closer to verify whether that groundhog is dead yet or not.
I also ran into a guy who actually headed the development department at UP. I only spoke to him a couple minutes but I overheard some other conversations he had. I was impressed with what I heard. However, if you don't believe me, call your buddy Lubrano to see if I am mistaken about the abilities in the development department. Don't just say I don't know what I am talking about.
And why would you say they haven't gotten any estimates of how much money is involved from the risk assessment? Do you know or are you extrapolating from the Sandusky situation? If the risk management people don't have some facts and figures, they should be fired. The numbers could be wrong but their job is to figure this stuff out.
You start with "frats are bad" and don't entertain any facts or discussion which might lead to a conclusion different than yours. I have good memories from my fraternity but know things have to change. I just don't know to what extent.
I did not start with "frats are bad." I WATCHED as the news reported frat boys doing bad things, AGAIN.
I sent my daughter to PSU in 2010, and she was there when Sandusky hit. Until they show even a scintilla of evidence that they are more capable now than they were then, not having any.
I have watched news reports of lawyers stealing money, lying, defending child molestors, utilizing repressed memory therapy, emailing porn, misstating evidence. Lawyers being lawyers. Shakespeare said kill them but they are still here. Including you.
Dunno why you include Sandusky and your daughter in the discussion.
My daughter was a victim of the BOT's selfish and poor handling of the Sandusky matter. She had to be asked questions in job interviews about their bullshit. These losers made up that narrative and have supported it nonstop, locking it down with a quarter billion of OPM. She was specifically asked how it felt to be labeled a pedophile enabler.
As for lawyers, you cannot hate them any more than I do, and I did not do any of those things. More importantly I am not asking this University to protect them like you want to protect the frat boys. There comes a point where one hazing death is one too many. But your way and Barron's way will be to fake-try again, until the next rape or hazing death, then you will call for personal responsibility. Got it. Not having any.
Did they or did they not formulate and execute a plan to have alcohol in the frat house for this party? And how many times had they agreed NEVER to do so? LOL.
Privilege only takes you so far. Then you have to face up to what you did.
Well, here we go! The lurker/Lafayette response team. Some say this one might issue a report before being disbanded!
http://wjactv.com/news/local/penn-state-president-appoints-new-greek-life-response-team
http://wjactv.com/news/local/penn-states-greek-life-response-team-advisory-group-intact
http://wjactv.com/news/local/penn-state-president-appoints-new-greek-life-response-team
http://wjactv.com/news/local/penn-states-greek-life-response-team-advisory-group-intact
btw, this is a 14 member advisory panel to advise a 5 member response team!
Wow, they are really serious now!
What relevance? The $250 million was not because of fraternities.
Has PSU ever paid a claim on a fraternity lawsuit?????
Since you are so concerned with payouts and lawsuits how about we eliminate the biggest risk/payouts first.
Look, I am not interested in whitewashing what the Beta kids did that night. But I AM interested in their receiving a fair trial, in a courtroom rather than the press. The fact that they received at least one death threat suggests to me that perhaps the media campaign by Stacy Parks Miller went a little too far. As a lawyer, you would presumably concur with that.
I can also appreciate your desire that the University not end up incurring significant expense as a result of recognizing fraternities. I think that concern is a tad overstated, given that every fraternity which is recognized has a significant liability insurance policy on which the University is (as a condition of such recognition) named as an additional insured. Thus, the University's liability, even should it be established in a given case (which is a bit more difficult than your prior posts suggest), is secondary rather than primary, and the University would only have to come out of pocket (or utlilize its liability coverage).in cases where the liability exceeds the fraternity's coverage limits. Those limits are typically substantial.
Finally, although your point that the University should not be assuming potential liability for risks the fraternities create is a good one, your many posts on the Piazza incident, and fraternities in general, routinely include negative and stereotypical potshots at fraternities. Your post above, although milder than most of your posts on this subject, is a good example. Your reference to "privilege" simply assumes that all members of Beta (and other fraternities) are entitled, lazy white kids. That is simply not true.
Who is betting on the current leadership? They are doing their job whether or not we like the procedures or results. This is a stupid message board. I simply don't equate Sandusky with any other challenge this or any other university may ever face. You have a friend on the board so I guess you have more input than the rest of us, except your only input is "frats are bad."
By the way, you speak of privilege as if it's a proven fact. I was in a fraternity which had that rep back in the day. However there was exactly one kid who had a trust fund. Just about everyone was middle to upper middle class from the suburbs. There were probably more kids below middle class than upper middle class. Everyone was willing to work for the good of the house and most kids did well after graduation because they were not "privileged and lazy."
I feel for your daughter and all the other students who went through a similar experience. I hope she got past that and is doing well in her profession.
As for the lawyer/frat boy thing, I am not asking anybody to protect anybody. Things have to change whether it is your way, Barron's way or who knows what. Similarly, I assume that you are active in disbarring any attorneys who break the rules since their sins are visited upon you, your reputation, and your profession even though you did not do anything wrong. Which of course means that all is good in WV since Larry is on the case.
Not sure what makes you think I'm concerned about payouts and lawsuits. You asked a question and I responded with a FACTUAL answer. The university is currently involved in TWO lawsuits (other than the Piazza family's) that involve fraternities and hazing. You asked a question, I provided an answer - and the answer remains accurate regardless of Sandusky situation or my motivation (which was actually just to provide a factual response to a question that you apparently didn't know the answer to).
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