Bow and Arrow
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Molinaro & McIntosh both used it a lot. Not everyone uses the same moves. Nick Lee has also used it. Probably others too that I don't remember.
Did Molinaro ever use the bow and arrow? The turk was his go-to move on top, but I don't recall him ever grabbing the foot.
McIntosh racked up a number of pins with it -- including Bonaccorsi here:
Did Molinaro ever use the bow and arrow? The turk was his go-to move on top, but I don't recall him ever grabbing the foot.
McIntosh racked up a number of pins with it -- including Bonaccorsi here:
Tank did use the turk, which is different but most don't notice the difference. Frank would grab the foot to put his opponent's leg in the right position but then turk him over instead of pulling on the foot. Only jefe and those who know more about wrestling than I do would notice this distinction.
Why it's so infrequently used:
1. It's illegal in folkstyle prior to college -- so it's not taught until they arrive in college. By then, they are all comfortable with other top techniques.
2. It works best when the opponent is fully bellied out. Not everyone can break down a D1 opponent and keep him flat that long.
3. Reaching back for the foot is counter-intuitive to forward pressure. Zain's ankle scoop is unique -- pretty much everyone else reaches back. Plus, reaching back gives bottom the opportunity to at least get his chest off the mat (elbows on the mat with back arched), which makes the move harder to execute.
4. If the move isn't executed perfectly, it gets stopped as potentially dangerous.
Should also note that it was a perfect complement to Zain's existing top techniques. Could not have created a more fitting technique for him.
Best bow and arrow in my opinion was against Sorenson at Nationals. You know the one painful kind lol
Did Molinaro ever use the bow and arrow? The turk was his go-to move on top, but I don't recall him ever grabbing the foot.
McIntosh racked up a number of pins with it -- including Bonaccorsi here:
I was at that match and thought McIntosh was going to snap Bonaccorsi in half.
As to technique, no one is/was as good as Zain in scooping up the leg. He rarely missed it. Once he had it, lights out.
True story: I remembered S’Mac’s senior year after writing my post. I thought about editing it, and thought “Naw, Jefe will say set the record straight.”Did Molinaro ever use the bow and arrow? The turk was his go-to move on top, but I don't recall him ever grabbing the foot.
McIntosh racked up a number of pins with it -- including Bonaccorsi here:
Cenzo ran it on Ethan Smith this year I think but lost the grip and almost got reversed (ended up only being an escape) but he got 2NF.
Terry tried it late in his match vs Iran's Alireza Dabir. Semis 2000 Olympics with Terry losing 6-4. Dont understand how thats pot dangerous.
This is the only full vid of the match I could find on YouTube. No broadcast, the one with us announcers used too be up.
Dabir is 4 inches taller, about 9 years younger and looked huge for 58 KG. I watched alot of his matches online he had a slick single leg.
Also imagine if the pushout point was in play. That would of changed any Brands match.
This is the only full vid of the match I could find on YouTube. No broadcast, the one with us announcers used too be up.
Dabir is 4 inches taller, about 9 years younger and looked huge for 58 KG. I watched alot of his matches online he had a slick single leg.
Also imagine if the pushout point was in play. That would of changed any Brands match.
Watch Kenny Monday vs Schultz. Schultz had Monday's soul of his foot on his head lol. Then Monday would do it back. Crazy.
My favorite thing about the bow and arrow is when Zain started winning with it, it was declared illegal on HR.
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