Anyone else smell a rat with this whole Cade McNamara demotion?

[CJFisJoePaII]

The way this has played out sure looks like Harbaugh has screwed this kid over by not being straight with him prior to the season - and screwed him over out of blatant self-interest.

There's no way Harbaugh came into the season with McNamara #1 and then just suddenly out of nowhere, just decided to make McCarthy #1 after annihilating Colorado State in week 1. This reeks of Harbaugh not being straight with McNamara such to keep him from transferring (if Harbaugh had told McNamara that he was #2 coming out of Spring Practice, McNamara almost certainly would have transferred). Given the way things work these days, Harbaugh has really screwed this kid over by lying to him and not being straight with him. Pretty clear imho, that Harbaugh did not want to lose McNamara as you can never have enough experienced depth at QB - knew he would transfer if he demoted him prior to the season, so declared him the starter knowing full well that he was going to make the switch after one-half of play in a season opening blowout win.

It really is disgraceful how Harbaugh has treated, lied to and misled this kid. Then when the kid complained about it to the press, Harbaugh has cutoff the press's access to McNamara (i.e., muted him). It really is disgraceful that none of b1g slime media has called Harbaugh out on this disgraceful behavior.

 

[Online Persona]

The way this has played out sure looks like Harbaugh has screwed this kid over by not being straight with him prior to the season - and screwed him over out of blatant self-interest.

There's no way Harbaugh came into the season with McNamara #1 and then just suddenly out of nowhere, just decided to make McCarthy #1 after annihilating Colorado State in week 1. This reeks of Harbaugh not being straight with McNamara such to keep him from transferring (if Harbaugh had told McNamara that he was #2 coming out of Spring Practice, McNamara almost certainly would have transferred). Given the way things work these days, Harbaugh has really screwed this kid over by lying to him and not being straight with him. Pretty clear imho, that Harbaugh did not want to lose McNamara as you can never have enough experienced depth at QB - knew he would transfer if he demoted him prior to the season, so declared him the starter knowing full well that he was going to make the switch after one-half of play in a season opening blowout win.

It really is disgraceful how Harbaugh has treated, lied to and misled this kid. Then when the kid complained about it to the press, Harbaugh has cutoff the press's access to McNamara (i.e., muted him). It really is disgraceful that none of b1g slime media has called Harbaugh out on this disgraceful behavior.

You have a valid point but there is a consequence to treating people that way. Harbaugh's dishonesty with a key player to that player's detriment is something that the rest of the team sees and will likely not play well in the lockeroom.

So now that Harbaugh's entire team and incoming recruits have witnessed Harbaugh dishonestly screwing a player over, they all know that it very well could be them next.

My guess is this will cost Michigan many more players in the long run than had he just been honest with McNamara.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

The way this has played out sure looks like Harbaugh has screwed this kid over by not being straight with him prior to the season - and screwed him over out of blatant self-interest.

There's no way Harbaugh came into the season with McNamara #1 and then just suddenly out of nowhere, just decided to make McCarthy #1 after annihilating Colorado State in week 1. This reeks of Harbaugh not being straight with McNamara such to keep him from transferring (if Harbaugh had told McNamara that he was #2 coming out of Spring Practice, McNamara almost certainly would have transferred). Given the way things work these days, Harbaugh has really screwed this kid over by lying to him and not being straight with him. Pretty clear imho, that Harbaugh did not want to lose McNamara as you can never have enough experienced depth at QB - knew he would transfer if he demoted him prior to the season, so declared him the starter knowing full well that he was going to make the switch after one-half of play in a season opening blowout win.

It really is disgraceful how Harbaugh has treated, lied to and misled this kid. Then when the kid complained about it to the press, Harbaugh has cutoff the press's access to McNamara (i.e., muted him). It really is disgraceful that none of b1g slime media has called Harbaugh out on this disgraceful behavior.

Why is this news... is it new behavior? Oh, well... buyer beware!

 

[LeatherHelmets]

He probably made the right decision. But everyone probably including many players have to be questioning his methodology.

 

[ram2020]

Can't Cade just say "f it" and transfer now? He hasn't played 4 games this year, so he retains his eligibility. Maybe Jimmy isn't being quite as mean spirited as suggested. Just trying to look at it from both sides.

 

[Wallace Breen]

Why is this news... is it new behavior? Oh, well... buyer beware!

This is Franklin in a nutshell. How many legit QB competitions have we had? Zero. He tried to replace Hack the second he set foot on campus but couldn't. He didn't give Tommy Stevens a legit chance despite winning the job outright in 2016. He didn't give him a chance in 2019 but got lucky that Clif was able to turn in the best single season a PSU QB has had since DC.

 

[marshall23]

Can't Cade just say "f it" and transfer now? He hasn't played 4 games this year, so he retains his eligibility. Maybe Jimmy isn't being quite as mean spirited as suggested. Just trying to look at it from both sides.

Most here make better decisions than the coaches. They have incredible insight. Never attended a single practice, but ....born with more football knowledge than entire division one coaching staffs. In their spare time, they advise surgeons who repair thoracic aortic aneurysms.

 

[marshall23]

This is Franklin in a nutshell. How many legit QB competitions have we had? Zero. He tried to replace Hack the second he set foot on campus but couldn't. He didn't give Tommy Stevens a legit chance despite winning the job outright in 2016. He didn't give him a chance in 2019 but got lucky that Clif was able to turn in the best single season a PSU QB has had since DC.

There you go making shit up again!

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Can't Cade just say "f it" and transfer now? He hasn't played 4 games this year, so he retains his eligibility. Maybe Jimmy isn't being quite as mean spirited as suggested. Just trying to look at it from both sides.

Riiiiightttt, yea he's just going to transfer and start playing for somebody without ever having practiced with, or understanding, their playbook. McNamara started 16 consecutive games for scUM and returned them to prominence in 2021 - and this is how Harbaugh repays him? (BTW, he was voted a Team Captain by his teammates.). He could have at least told him where he stood coming out of Spring Practice so he could have played this year. Here is a LINK - this article was published yesterday and clearly states that McNamara was completely taken by surprise by Harbaugh's announcement and that Harbaugh has made McNamara off-limits to the press.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

This is Franklin in a nutshell. How many legit QB competitions have we had? Zero. He tried to replace Hack the second he set foot on campus but couldn't. He didn't give Tommy Stevens a legit chance despite winning the job outright in 2016. He didn't give him a chance in 2019 but got lucky that Clif was able to turn in the best single season a PSU QB has had since DC.

How was this a "QB Competition" - McNamara started the last 16 games for scUM and Harbaugh had told McNamara he was the starter coming into this season (McNamara has stated publicly that he was shocked, and taken completely by surprise, by Harbaugh's announcement prior to being muted by Harbaugh forbidding the press to speak with him.). You are so full of $hit as per usual, it isn't even funny - CJF did the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE of what Harbaugh has done here. CJF told both Stevens and Levis the truth about where they stood - that they had lost the Spring QB Competition and were #2 going into the new season resulting in both making a decision to transfer.

 

[CVLion]

How was this a "QB Competition" - McNamara started the last 16 games for scUM and Harbaugh had told McNamara he was the starter coming into this season (McNamara has stated publicly that he was shocked, and taken completely by surprise, by Harbaugh's announcement prior to being muted by Harbaugh forbidding the press to speak with him. You are so full of $hit as per usual, it isn't even funny - CJF did the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE of what Harbaugh has done here. CJF told both Stevens and Levis the truth about where they stood - that they had lost the Spring QB Competition and were #2 going into the new season resulting in both making a decision to transfer.

Precisely.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Can't Cade just say "f it" and transfer now? He hasn't played 4 games this year, so he retains his eligibility. Maybe Jimmy isn't being quite as mean spirited as suggested. Just trying to look at it from both sides.

Apparently he can't, the NCAA just made this announcement: LINK (the timing of this NCAA announcement is rather interesting relative to this situation). Notice how the open windows are 45 days after CFB Playoff Teams are announced and May 1 to May 15 (i.e., directly following Spring Practice ending, which is ended with a Spring Game by most schools.). Harbaugh not telling him he was going to be #2 this year, and in fact telling him he was #1 (had started last 16 consecutive games for scUM), is a real douche move and disservice to this young man imho.

 

[ram2020]

Riiiiightttt, yea he's just going to transfer and start playing for somebody without ever having practiced with, or understanding, their playbook. McNamara started 16 consecutive games for scUM and returned them to prominence in 2021 - and this is how Harbaugh repays him? (BTW, he was voted a Team Captain by his teammates.). He could have at least told him where he stood coming out of Spring Practice so he could have played this year. Here is a LINK - this article was published yesterday and clearly states that McNamara was completely taken by surprise by Harbaugh's announcement and that Harbaugh has made McNamara off-limits to the press.

I never said he could play right away...insaid he can transfer and use preserve his year of eligibility. I stand by that claim. Better to tell him after 2 games than 4 that he lost his position

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I never said he could play right away...insaid he can transfer and use preserve his year of eligibility. I stand by that claim. Better to tell him after 2 games than 4 that he lost his position

By the way, the NCAA just made an announcement that you are WRONG, he cannot enter the transfer portal until after the season (portal only open for 60 days - the 45 days after the CFB Playoff Teams are selected and from May 1 - May 15).

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Most here make better decisions than the coaches. They have incredible insight. Never attended a single practice, but ....born with more football knowledge than entire division one coaching staffs. In their spare time, they advise surgeons who repair thoracic aortic aneurysms.

Breen would win 410 games in 410 attempts... and do so mindlessly! A wonder an idiot savant! No doubt!

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I never said he could play right away...insaid he can transfer and use preserve his year of eligibility. I stand by that claim. Better to tell him after 2 games than 4 that he lost his position

BTW, not sure where you're going with the "played less than 4 games" and preserve a year of eligibility.... McNamara used his redshirt already - this is his 4th year at scUM; he is a rsJR this year and will only have one year of eligibility remaining if he decides to transfer after the season. Harbaugh has really harmed this kid - he could have been a 3+ year D1A starter (he started 17 consecutive games for scUM including the scUM's first game this year), but not anymore.

 

[LandoComando]

Was it strategic by Harbaugh? Probably
Was it shady if it was strategic? Sure
Will it cost him players in the future? Highly unlikely
Was it smart if it was strategic? Absolutely
The reality is Cade doesn't currently give them the best chance to win and shouldn't be starting. He can be angry about it if he wants but there's a system in place and coaches are going to use that.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Was it strategic by Harbaugh? Probably
Was it shady if it was strategic? Sure
Will it cost him players in the future? Highly unlikely
Was it smart if it was strategic? Absolutely
The reality is Cade doesn't currently give them the best chance to win and shouldn't be starting. He can be angry about it if he wants but there's a system in place and coaches are going to use that.

There's a system in place..... blah, blah, blah.... - rinse & repeat with you and asinine commentary. What does anything you said have to do with Harbaugh lying to a 21 year old kid, whose back he is making multi-million dollars off of, out of extreme self-interest and to the kid's direct severe detriment??? Yeah, that's so "smart" and "strategic". You're such a moron.

 

[Jerry]

BTW, not sure where you're going with the "played less than 4 games" and preserve a year of eligibility.... McNamara used his redshirt already - this is his 4th year at scUM; he is a rsJR this year and will only have one year of eligibility remaining if he decides to transfer after the season. Harbaugh has really harmed this kid - he could have been a 3+ year D1A starter (he started 17 consecutive games for scUM including the scUM's first game this year), but not anymore.

Meanwhile, Michigan starts the season with three walk-over games and then gets Maryland at home to close out September. Rough month.

But yeah, that's an interesting situation at QB. I mean, McNamara appears to be very popular among the players and led the team to a conference championship plus a playoff berth last year. Now, two games in, after some erratic play against Hawaii, he's suddenly on the bench. Apparently the other guy is, like, really good.

That said, according to the link below, McNamara actually has two years of eligibility left after this season. That's because he red-shirted in 2019, and 2020 doesn't count due to Covid. Can't see him transferring before the end of this season, but he could probably go to 10 different programs and start next year if that's how things break.

What’s next for Cade McNamara? Michigan’s backup QB has options

J.J. McCarthy won the starting job, relegating Cade McNamara to backup duties.

www.mlive.com

 

[LandoComando]

There's a system in place..... blah, blah, blah.... - rinse & repeat with you and asinine commentary. What does anything you said have to do with Harbaugh lying to a 21 year old kid, whose back he is making multi-million dollars off of, out of extreme self-interest and to the kid's direct severe detriment??? Yeah, that's so "smart" and "strategic". You're such a moron.

How was it not smart or strategic? You can claim something is inappropriate or wrong while acknowledging the strategy in it. Harbaugh and Michigan are better with both QBs on the roster. It's not even debatable.

You also can't prove he lied to them. Which QB played better in their first two games? Or did you not watch and have no clue?

 

[ram2020]

BTW, not sure where you're going with the "played less than 4 games" and preserve a year of eligibility.... McNamara used his redshirt already - this is his 4th year at scUM; he is a rsJR this year and will only have one year of eligibility remaining if he decides to transfer after the season. Harbaugh has really harmed this kid - he could have been a 3+ year D1A starter (he started 17 consecutive games for scUM including the scUM's first game this year), but not anymore.

Fine. I'm certainly happy to get behind the Harbaugh is a bad guy claim. Just wonder of there is another side to the story.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Meanwhile, Michigan starts the season with three walk-over games and then gets Maryland at home to close out September. Rough month.

But yeah, that's an interesting situation at QB. I mean, McNamara appears to be very popular among the players and led the team to a conference championship plus a playoff berth last year. Now, two games in, after some erratic play against Hawaii, he's suddenly on the bench. Apparently the other guy is, like, really good.

That said, according to the link below, McNamara actually has two years of eligibility left after this season. That's because he red-shirted in 2019, and 2020 doesn't count due to Covid. Can't see him transferring before the end of this season, but he could probably go to 10 different programs and start next year if that's how things break.

What’s next for Cade McNamara? Michigan’s backup QB has options

J.J. McCarthy won the starting job, relegating Cade McNamara to backup duties.

www.mlive.com

McCarthy was named the starter for the Hawaii game - McNamara was not replaced after 2 games, he was replaced after the first game (Colorado State) and he didn't struggle - McNamara started and only played the first half I believe in a complete blowout (scUM beat CSU 51-7). Then out of nowhere, Harbaugh announced that McCarthy would start against Hawaii in his game-week Press Conference which completely surprised McNamara.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Was it strategic by Harbaugh? Probably
Was it shady if it was strategic? Sure
Will it cost him players in the future? Highly unlikely
Was it smart if it was strategic? Absolutely
The reality is Cade doesn't currently give them the best chance to win and shouldn't be starting. He can be angry about it if he wants but there's a system in place and coaches are going to use that.

Yep Bait and Switch the norm in in every sector of our society why should college football be any different? In actuality, the kid was beat out.. so be it.

 

[CbusLion10]

I believe it was published prior to the season the McNamara would start game 1, mccarthy game 2. Whoever looked better would start game 3. Giving them both a chance to showcase in-season and let the chips fall where they may. I have no problem with competition.

Or maybe the competition was settled in the spring and Harbaugh is an asshat, wouldn't surprise me. It is both strategic and prickish, like a politician.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I believe it was published prior to the season the McNamara would start game 1, mccarthy game 2. Whoever looked better would start game 3. Giving them both a chance to showcase in-season and let the chips fall where they may. I have no problem with competition.

Or maybe the competition was settled in the spring and Harbaugh is an asshat, wouldn't surprise me. It is both strategic and prickish, like a politician.

Yes, it's true that Harbaugh announced a week before the season that returning starter McNamara would start game 1 and McCarthy would start game 2, but it's also true that McNamara stated that he was completely surprised and taken off-guard by that announcement. He said this was especially true when he was voted by his teammates, and named by Harbaugh, as a Captain of the team during season prep period. He basically said the statement by Harbaugh on August 27 a week before the first game was completely out of left field for him.

 

[LandoComando]

Yes, it's true that Harbaugh announced a week before the season that returning starter McNamara would start game 1 and McCarthy would start game 2, but it's also true that McNamara stated that he was completely surprised and taken off-guard by that announcement. He said this was especially true when he was voted by his teammates, and named by Harbaugh, as a Captain of the team during season prep period. He basically said the statement by Harbaugh on August 27 a week before the first game was completely out of left field for him.

No one is ever guaranteed to start or remain a starter--if they are that's a problem
Harbaugh is garbage as a person but you're making a big deal out of nothing. The best QB should play. Just like the best person at ever position regardless of captain status or veteran status. Cade isn't their best QB. And anyone that has watched them knows that. Feel for Cade but that's life. Balls in his court to do what he wants next.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I believe it was published prior to the season the McNamara would start game 1, mccarthy game 2. Whoever looked better would start game 3. Giving them both a chance to showcase in-season and let the chips fall where they may. I have no problem with competition.

Or maybe the competition was settled in the spring and Harbaugh is an asshat, wouldn't surprise me. It is both strategic and prickish, like a politician.

Additionally, it's absurd imho for Harbaugh to claim he didn't know he was going to name McCarthy after game 2 - McNamara only played the first half of scUM's first game. scUM was beating CSU 30-0 when McCarthy entered the game. So based essentially on one-half of football in a complete blowout, Harbaugh decided to replace the incumbent starter over the prior 17 games and a guy just named Team Captain a couple weeks earlier???

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

No one is ever guaranteed to start or remain a starter--if they are that's a problem
Harbaugh is garbage as a person but you're making a big deal out of nothing. The best QB should play. Just like the best person at ever position regardless of captain status or veteran status. Cade isn't their best QB. And anyone that has watched them knows that. Feel for Cade but that's life. Balls in his court to do what he wants next.

Wrong, nothing wrong with naming McCarthy the starter, but he should have been straight with McNamara coming out of Spring Practice so McNamara could do what was best for him. Complete bullshit that Harbaugh had no idea he was going to do exactly what he did (name McCarthy the starter) until very recently.... and made this decision only after allowing McNamara to be the starter for one-half of football in a blowout where McNamara left the game with scUM leading 30-0????

 

[HazletonLion]

Poach the Line recruits, i say.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Wrong, nothing wrong with naming McCarthy the starter, but he should have been straight with McNamara coming out of Spring Practice so McNamara could do what was best for him. Complete bullshit that Harbaugh had no idea he was going to do exactly what he did (name McCarthy the starter) until very recently.... and made this decision only after allowing McNamara to be the starter for one-half of football in a blowout where McNamara left the game with scUM leading 30-0????

lol. McCarthy was injured and didn't participate in Spring ball.

And through the first two games, JJ (15/16 259 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Interceptions, 4 runs for 66 yards) has easily outplayed Cade (13/24, 162 yards, 1 TD 1 interception, 3 runs for -25 yards).

To keep a divided locker room from forming, Harbaugh allowed the competition to be as open as possible. McCarthy has won and football is a meritocracy. If the production numbers were reversed, then JJ would be the backup. Cade McNamara is free to transfer next season if he so wishes. He would have two full seasons to play elsewhere, so he has plenty of time to start at a less competitive program.

And your attempts to stir up shit are pathetic.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

lol. McCarthy was injured and didn't participate in Spring ball.

And through the first two games, JJ (15/16 259 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Interceptions, 4 runs for 66 yards) has easily outplayed Cade (13/24, 162 yards, 1 TD 1 interception, 3 runs for -25 yards).

To keep a divided locker room from forming, Harbaugh allowed the competition to be as open as possible. McCarthy has won and football is a meritocracy. If the production numbers were reversed, then JJ would be the backup. Cade McNamara is free to transfer next season if he so wishes. He would have two full seasons to play elsewhere, so he has plenty of time to start at a less competitive program.

And your attempts to stir up shit are pathetic.

It would seem that Cade McNamara disagrees with you about how he was communicated with by Harbaugh. The locker room isn't divided - the players elected McNamara Team Captain, not McCarthy. BTW, who said anything about whether Harbaugh
Is fully entitled to start whoever he deems to be the starter, but he shouldn't lie to McNamara about his intentions to make McCarthy the Starter, and play silly games with him as he did to start the season, just to keep McNamara on campus out of pure self-interest -- for depth and an insurance policy -- so he wouldn't transfer prior to the start of the season. It's just wrong for Harbaugh to have intentionally misled this kid as to where he really stood in Harbaugh's depth-chart and to burn a year of his eligibility when he could be starting somewhere else this year.

 

[ivan brunetti]

It would seem that Cade McNamara disagrees with you about how he was communicated with by Harbaugh. The locker room isn't divided - the players elected McNamara Team Captain, not McCarthy. BTW, who said anything about whether Harbaugh
Is fully entitled to start whoever he deems to be the starter, but he shouldn't lie to McNamara about his intentions to make McCarthy the Starter, and play silly games with him as he did to start the season, just to keep McNamara on campus out of pure self-interest -- for depth and an insurance policy -- so he wouldn't transfer prior to the start of the season. It's just wrong for Harbaugh to have intentionally misled this kid as to where he really stood in Harbaugh's depth-chart and to burn a year of his eligibility when he could be starting somewhere else this year.

Prior to Fall camp, Cade was the starter but there would be competition (as there is at every position at Michigan). If Cade had won the job in Fall camp, he would have stayed the starter. If Cade had won the job in the first two games, he would have been the starter.

If you don't believe in competition, fine. Let's see what happens if Allar starts to obviously outplay Clifford and Franklin feels he needs to start Allar to give Penn St the best shot at winning.

I can hear you now: "OH, NOOO! CJF lied to Sean Clifford!!!".

 

[ram2020]

Wrong, nothing wrong with naming McCarthy the starter, but he should have been straight with McNamara coming out of Spring Practice so McNamara could do what was best for him. Complete bullshit that Harbaugh had no idea he was going to do exactly what he did (name McCarthy the starter) until very recently.... and made this decision only after allowing McNamara to be the starter for one-half of football in a blowout where McNamara left the game with scUM leading 30-0????

Did I read somewhere that McCarthy was injured during spring ball? So he couldn't adequately be measured or formally selected the starter in Spring anyway.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Did I read somewhere that McCarthy was injured during spring ball? So he couldn't adequately be measured or formally selected the starter in Spring anyway.

Yes, McCarthy missed Spring ball. He has a better arm than Cade, and he is a much greater threat to run. He has now caught up to Cade as far as understanding the entire offense. That was the final hurdle.

 

[Jerry]

Yes, McCarthy missed Spring ball. He has a better arm than Cade, and he is a much greater threat to run. He has now caught up to Cade as far as understanding the entire offense. That was the final hurdle.

I for one am not scandalized. In fact, I'm a lot more worried about Auburn than about who starts as QB in Michigan's 3rd consecutive walk-over game of the season.

Also, though I take second place to nobody in my hatred for Michigan, I don't think Harbaugh is a bad guy or a bad coach. I was very impressed by that move he made last year to give all his bonus money ($1.5 million) to athletic department staffers who'd taken a cut in pay because of the pandemic.

That said, it seems more likely than not that the way this is going down, Michigan will end up having to deal with the dreaded "quarterback controversy" at some point this year. McNamara was classlessly booed by the crowd last week, which didn't go down well in the locker room. All it will take is one off day on the part of McCarthy when they play real games as opposed to glorified scrimmages.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Prior to Fall camp, Cade was the starter but there would be competition (as there is at every position at Michigan). If Cade had won the job in Fall camp, he would have stayed the starter. If Cade had won the job in the first two games, he would have been the starter.

If you don't believe in competition, fine. Let's see what happens if Allar starts to obviously outplay Clifford and Franklin feels he needs to start Allar to give Penn St the best shot at winning.

I can hear you now: "OH, NOOO! CJF lied to Sean Clifford!!!".

Again, that's complete bullshit. McNamara has said that he was led to believe he was the starting QB going into pre-season practice and through the preseason (including being voted Team Captain by his peers and officially being named a Team Captain by the staff). It wasn't until the week of the first game (8/27) that Harbaugh publically announced that McNamara was the starter for the opener, but McCarthy would start the 2nd game against Hawaii. McNamara has already publically stated that this announcement caught him totally by surprise and was the first he was hearing of this plan and that he was not QB1 (he was clearly told he was the named starter for the Season Opener, but what he wasn't told is that he would lose his starting position before the Season Opener was even played! He didn't find out this information from his coach until the in-week Press Conference for the Season Opener - the same way everyone else found out, via Harbaugh's PC announcement!). If you really believe that Harbaugh didn't plan to do exactly what he did long before Aug 27th and misled McNamara the entire off-season and pre-season (having McNamara believe he was QB1) you're diluting yourself - just utterly laughable to claim that Harbaugh just decided to go with McCarthy based on one-half of football in the Season-Opener in a blowout where McNamara stopped playing after scUM was winning 30-0! And again, McNamara has publically stated that he was never told that he was in a ridiculous 2-game QB Competition that Harbaugh announced on Aug 27th during the PC for the Season Opener and that he was led to believe he was QB1 the entire pre-season before that Aug 27th pre-game1 PC Announcement.

Just simply absurd to sit here and say that Harbaugh wasn't lying to McNamara and misleading him the entire pre-season when he led him to believe he was QB1 and that he didn't plan all along to do exactly what he did (i.e., make McCarthy the starter, but have created a situation where McNamara was stuck in Ann Arbor for the 2022 Season backing up McCarthy rather than being on the field for someone else.).

 

[ivan brunetti]

I for one am not scandalized. In fact, I'm a lot more worried about Auburn than about who starts as QB in Michigan's 3rd consecutive walk-over game of the season.

Also, though I take second place to nobody in my hatred for Michigan, I don't think Harbaugh is a bad guy or a bad coach. I was very impressed by that move he made last year to give all his bonus money ($1.5 million) to athletic department staffers who'd taken a cut in pay because of the pandemic.

That said, it seems more likely than not that the way this is going down, Michigan will end up having to deal with the dreaded "quarterback controversy" at some point this year. McNamara was classlessly booed by the crowd last week, which didn't go down well in the locker room. All it will take is one off day on the part of McCarthy when they play real games as opposed to glorified scrimmages.

The booing was bad, but when you have over 100K, there are bound to be a few jerks. And those booing would probably claim they were booing the coaches.

Michigan may lose a game or two due to McCarthy miscues, but it won't lead to any QB controversy. Most of the fans (2/3rds?) wanted JJ before this year started. After watching Cade for two games, what was once a controversy is now a landslide in favor of JJ.

Yes, we won't face a real defense until we go to Iowa in half a month. We will just have to see if the offense is ready.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Again, that's complete bullshit. McNamara has said that he was led to believe he was the starting QB going into pre-season practice and through the preseason (including being voted Team Captain by his peers and officially being named a Team Captain by the staff). It wasn't until the week of the first game (8/27) that Harbaugh publically announced that McNamara was the starter for the opener, but McCarthy would start the 2nd game against Hawaii. McNamara has already publically stated that this announcement caught him totally by surprise and was the first he was hearing of this plan and that he was not QB1 (he was clearly told he was the named starter for the Season Opener, but what he wasn't told is that he would lose his starting position before the Season Opener was even played! He didn't find out this information from his coach until the in-week Press Conference for the Season Opener - the same way everyone else found out, via Harbaugh's PC announcement!). If you really believe that Harbaugh didn't plan to do exactly what he did long before Aug 27th and misled McNamara the entire off-season and pre-season (having McNamara believe he was QB1) you're diluting yourself - just utterly laughable to claim that Harbaugh just decided to go with McCarthy based on one-half of football in the Season-Opener in a blowout where McNamara stopped playing after scUM was winning 30-0! And again, McNamara has publically stated that he was never told that he was in a ridiculous 2-game QB Competition that Harbaugh announced on Aug 27th during the PC for the Season Opener and that he was led to believe he was QB1 the entire pre-season before that Aug 27th pre-game1 PC Announcement.

Just simply absurd to sit here and say that Harbaugh wasn't lying to McNamara and misleading him the entire pre-season when he led him to believe he was QB1 and that he didn't plan all along to do exactly what he did (i.e., make McCarthy the starter, but have created a situation where McNamara was stuck in Ann Arbor for the 2022 Season backing up McCarthy rather than being on the field for someone else.).

lol. Whatever you say, nutsy.

 

[ram2020]

Again, that's complete bullshit. McNamara has said that he was led to believe he was the starting QB going into pre-season practice and through the preseason (including being voted Team Captain by his peers and officially being named a Team Captain by the staff). It wasn't until the week of the first game (8/27) that Harbaugh publically announced that McNamara was the starter for the opener, but McCarthy would start the 2nd game against Hawaii. McNamara has already publically stated that this announcement caught him totally by surprise and was the first he was hearing of this plan and that he was not QB1 (he was clearly told he was the named starter for the Season Opener, but what he wasn't told is that he would lose his starting position before the Season Opener was even played! He didn't find out this information from his coach until the in-week Press Conference for the Season Opener - the same way everyone else found out, via Harbaugh's PC announcement!). If you really believe that Harbaugh didn't plan to do exactly what he did long before Aug 27th and misled McNamara the entire off-season and pre-season (having McNamara believe he was QB1) you're diluting yourself - just utterly laughable to claim that Harbaugh just decided to go with McCarthy based on one-half of football in the Season-Opener in a blowout where McNamara stopped playing after scUM was winning 30-0! And again, McNamara has publically stated that he was never told that he was in a ridiculous 2-game QB Competition that Harbaugh announced on Aug 27th during the PC for the Season Opener and that he was led to believe he was QB1 the entire pre-season before that Aug 27th pre-game1 PC Announcement.

Just simply absurd to sit here and say that Harbaugh wasn't lying to McNamara and misleading him the entire pre-season when he led him to believe he was QB1 and that he didn't plan all along to do exactly what he did (i.e., make McCarthy the starter, but have created a situation where McNamara was stuck in Ann Arbor for the 2022 Season backing up McCarthy rather than being on the field for someone else.).

Boy, you are really stroked about a guy losing his job during a less than honest evaluation process. This type of thing happens everyday in every walk of life. Not condoning it, but it is part of reality. Harb's gets paid an enormous sum of money to do one thing and one thing only.....win. While "doing the right thing" is always preferred, you're right, having two talented QBs on the team is only going to help Harbs to that aim. In a world in which football players receive big money for NIL and can transfer on a whim(presumably for more money), prepare yourself to see more and more of these ethically questionable situations in college football. Just is was it is unfortunately. Coaches operating as though they don't owe players anything is likely going to become commonplace and the other way around.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

The booing was bad, but when you have over 100K, there are bound to be a few jerks. And those booing would probably claim they were booing the coaches.

Michigan may lose a game or two due to McCarthy miscues, but it won't lead to any QB controversy. Most of the fans (2/3rds?) wanted JJ before this year started. After watching Cade for two games, what was once a controversy is now a landslide in favor of JJ.

Yes, we won't face a real defense until we go to Iowa in half a month. We will just have to see if the offense is ready.

LMFAO, you're quite the apologist and excuse-maker.... Yea, the entire crowd audibly being heard to boo McNamara (which apparently he deserved because he had the nerve to publicly state that he was not pleased with being misled, and gamed, by Harbaugh to his own personal detriment) was just a couple jerks... lol. Yea, and it was clearly directed at the coaching staff, not McNamara - that's why the crowd only started booing after McNamara's first series in the game after the starter, McCarthy, was pulled in a complete blowout (the score was 42-0 after first half and McNamara was inserted first series of 2nd half and the crowd immediately started booing him)... but yea, it was just a couple jerks booing the coaching staff.... yeah, that's it - that's the ticket!!!