2018/19 lineup speculation

Discussion in 'The Wrestling Room' started by GogglesPaizano, Jun 23, 2018.

  1. GogglesPaizano

    GogglesPaizano Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2018
    Messages:
    437
    Likes Received:
    436
    From On the Mats - reposted as I agree 100%, my take exactly

    "With the rumor mill re: weight movements in full swing and a great class coming in to fill some gaps a lot of scenarios are on the table. I don't buy in to any of the big shirt possibilities like Nick or Mark, but have bought in to the upper weight scuttlebutt. Here is my somewhat controversial take, but on balance a good amount of change from last year.

    125: Teske (Teas too big, shirting, and we dont need his points this year)
    133: RBY (Teasdale Redshirt)
    141: Lee
    149: Berge (wins the wrestle-off vs Verk)
    157: Nolf
    165: Joseph
    174: Hall
    184: Rasheed (Slight cut no tank issues)
    197: Nickal (I'll take extra cheese on that large pizza please)
    285: Cassar (Nevills injured)"
     
    1 GogglesPaizano, Jun 23, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2018
  2. Sportfan2017

    Sportfan2017 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2017
    Messages:
    642
    Likes Received:
    859
    I believe you need to switch Rasheed and Bo around. The same person that said Cassar was huge also said Rasheed was clearly bigger as well. Doesn't sound like a descent to 184.
     
  3. Ian

    Ian Well-Known Member
    Gold Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2001
    Messages:
    4,911
    Likes Received:
    3,624
    Location:
    San Diego, California
    I’d like to see Teske, Teasdale, RBY, and NLee all redshirt. They man 125, 133, 141, 149 in 2019/20 and will be dynamite with a year to develop.

    Backups go at 125 & 133 with Verk and Berge at 141 and 149. The rest of the lineup is potentially top 3 in each weight class with a real good possibility of 4 guys winning titles.

    157-174 is locked and loaded. Not sure of the combo at 184-285 but 4 guys will battle it out. Bo is in for sure. Nevills hurt? Shak and Cassar are top notch.

    Another big score and title is very likely. Cael will be prepping for 2019/2020 as the 3 N’s and Shak will be gone. That’s champ 60 points!
     
  4. NoVa Lion

    NoVa Lion Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    Messages:
    7,578
    Likes Received:
    1,935
    I don;t see us redshirting all of those guys and I don't see Verk making 141. As to 285 if Nevills is healthy I would put the chances of Cassar beating him out at less than 1%.
     
    Cali_Nittany and D3wrestler like this.
  5. mcruny42

    mcruny42 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2013
    Messages:
    676
    Likes Received:
    435
    N Lee could redshirt after this year with Verk and Berge manning 149/157 once Nolf departs. If tOSU decides to redshirt guys and with Iowa's best team in a decade being 2019-2020, I'm not sure if RS Nick Lee will be possible from a team title perspective. RBY could maybe go 141 that year depending on development.
     
  6. El-Jefe

    El-Jefe Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    13,708
    Likes Received:
    16,679
    Moyer24 likes this.
  7. LemonPie

    LemonPie Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2016
    Messages:
    3,735
    Likes Received:
    2,964
    Lmao. I guess being a nice guy will have some PSU fans overestimating one's skillset. Cutch graduated so I guess Nick is next in line.
     
  8. NoVa Lion

    NoVa Lion Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    Messages:
    7,578
    Likes Received:
    1,935
    You mean Nick the 2X AA at 285. ROTFLMAO at you. :rolleyes:
     
    Cali_Nittany likes this.
  9. El-Jefe

    El-Jefe Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    13,708
    Likes Received:
    16,679
    Couldn't the same be said about Cassar? He lost his starting job to a guy many think should be at a lower weight, and now he's gonna dethrone a 2x AA while giving up 30+ lb ... Not inconceivable, but not compelling either.
     
  10. LemonPie

    LemonPie Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2016
    Messages:
    3,735
    Likes Received:
    2,964
    Who'd you have starting at 197 last year? The 3rd stringer?
     
  11. GogglesPaizano

    GogglesPaizano Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2018
    Messages:
    437
    Likes Received:
    436
    Me thinks Cassar had a much better chance of beating Shak for the position this year than taking out a healthy Nick. This tells me there is strength to the rumor Bo goes 197, it might also indicate the Nick injury/retirement rumors might have substance.

    Cassar has 2 more years of eligibility, seems he would have been better situated to be Bo's backup at 197 (injuries happen) than to take on a healthy Nevills as well as his big little Bro in 2019. Clearly in 2019, 197 could be Cassar's alone with Bo and Shak gone while Beard redshirts. If Cassar is indeed now walking around at 220+ something is afoot.

    Truth be told all scenarios remain rumor driven but circumstancial evidence seems to indicate there will be a big shakeup at the upper weights.
     
    11 GogglesPaizano, Jun 24, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2018
  12. matter7172

    matter7172 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2012
    Messages:
    2,149
    Likes Received:
    1,987
    I think it's probably close to a toss-up if both are healthy. Cassar's weakness would be the bottom position. But neutral would be an edge for him.
     
  13. El-Jefe

    El-Jefe Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    13,708
    Likes Received:
    16,679
    When was it announced that Cassar has received or even will seek a 6th year?

    Until proven otherwise, that is still speculation.
     
  14. El-Jefe

    El-Jefe Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    13,708
    Likes Received:
    16,679
    Just so NoVa knows how to answer: which 3rd stringer do you mean? The guy who began as the starter and ended up 3rd string? Or the guy who began as 3rd string and ended up the postseason starter?
     
    Cali_Nittany likes this.
  15. jack66

    jack66 Well-Known Member
    Gold Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    Messages:
    4,404
    Likes Received:
    3,462
    Isn't most everything in this thread speculation?
     
  16. jack66

    jack66 Well-Known Member
    Gold Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    Messages:
    4,404
    Likes Received:
    3,462
  17. El-Jefe

    El-Jefe Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    13,708
    Likes Received:
    16,679
    So he was able to suck down to 143 lb for a single event with different weigh-in rules.

    Hardly evidence that he can drop to and maintain 141 for a season.
     
  18. jack66

    jack66 Well-Known Member
    Gold Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    Messages:
    4,404
    Likes Received:
    3,462
    I didn't say it was evidence of anything. Since you're not into speculation I just thought I would state a fact.
     
    18 jack66, Jun 24, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2018
    Dogwelder likes this.
  19. nitlion6

    nitlion6 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2012
    Messages:
    7,155
    Likes Received:
    5,388
    It isn't evidence. Jarod isn't going to beat out Berge and if there is a desire to give Nick Lee a RS if possible - it is not a stretch to believe the FS weight/competition was a let's see how he does test.

    As someone posted - summer time speculation is nothing more than summer time speculation. However, I have heard it is something under consideration.

    Nick wrestling 141 with Brady at 149 is not going to shock me, but neither is Jarod at 141 and Brady at 149.
     
  20. GogglesPaizano

    GogglesPaizano Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2018
    Messages:
    437
    Likes Received:
    436
    You must have some real challenges reading this board if you filter out speculation and opinion. For me during the summer months, that's why I am here, to combat the boredome, think about what ifs, and get entertained.

    His bio lists him as a sophomore, which reflects his end of year status last season http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-wrestl/mtt/anthony_cassar_921791.html and wrestlestat lists him as a Jr. and Shak as a Sr. https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/wrestler
    197. Far from 'official' but I expect we are 4 months from anything guaranteed, as isthe case with 90% of the summer PSU relevant content here.

    So chill out my bro. I 'speculate' you are far too up tight
     
    20 GogglesPaizano, Jun 24, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2018
  21. Notsofastmyfriend21

    Notsofastmyfriend21 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2018
    Messages:
    579
    Likes Received:
    525
    I'm going with Teasdale at 125, RBY at 133, Shak at 184, AND Bo at 197. I'll take NN at Hwy by the slimmest of margins over AC, but that battle WILL go back and forth during the year and Cael may have to make a hard decision again come post season tourney time.
     
  22. andegre

    andegre Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 18, 2004
    Messages:
    3,891
    Likes Received:
    301
  23. GogglesPaizano

    GogglesPaizano Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2018
    Messages:
    437
    Likes Received:
    436
    125 will definitely be interesting. The only thing about HWT is I just can't see Cassar going up unless #1 Bo is definitely going 197, but also if either Nick is indeed hurt or Cassar has had past success against Nick in practices while still at 197. It seems unlikely Cassar can beat out a healthy Nevills - which includes Seth the following year. The NN retirement rumor might have some legs, but clearly is pretty wild speculation at this time (fbo El Jefe). I haven't heard a peep on that since a couple of weeks after Nationals. 2019 is a long time to wait but 197 would have been his for the taking otherwise, if he goes HWT, there is no turning back, he'll never get down to 197 again.
     
  24. billrag

    billrag Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    184
    Likes Received:
    158
    I have no idea if Verkleeren is able to make and maintain 141 or not, but I'd love to see it. It would allow Lee a RS year and would give PSU nearly as strong a lineup as last year in the middle-weights (and no, I'm not suggesting that Berge's going to win 3 titles, or even that Jarod will AA at 141 (although I think he would)). Keep in mind that almost zero high school wrestlers really know how to cut weight, and he wouldn't be the first kid to wrestle at a lower weight in college than in high school (I think he was a 145 for his junior and senior years in high school if I'm not mistaken, but others will surely know).
     
  25. NoVa Lion

    NoVa Lion Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    Messages:
    7,578
    Likes Received:
    1,935
    True re the weight. He wrestled 152 as a junior and was 4th and then dropped to 145 as a senior and was AAA champ that year.
     
    billrag likes this.
  26. Notsofastmyfriend21

    Notsofastmyfriend21 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2018
    Messages:
    579
    Likes Received:
    525
    Well, ask yourself: Could Anthony Cassar finish in 7th place at this years' Nationals? My first answer would be, "yes, he can". We already know, that Nick also can, since that's where he finished in March. I expect a good, close wrestle off, both guys competing during the season in dual meets, both guys in the tourneys, and another Cael decision come next March. With that said, I'm hoping for a finish a bit higher on the podium from either man, at Heavy.
     
  27. tomsc

    tomsc Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Messages:
    715
    Likes Received:
    575
    It would be a challenge to get back to 197 again, but not impossible. Ira Lubert weighed around 250 as I recall in the Dave Joyner Hwt days, and pulled down to 190 for his senior year! Now, I have to admit, he looked VERY different at 190, but he made it and wrestled.
     
  28. Sullivan

    Sullivan Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2001
    Messages:
    9,537
    Likes Received:
    2,269
    If I recall, he was a legit 145 pounder his junior year. But there was a mix-up late in the season with his decent plan.
     
    28 Sullivan, Jun 25, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2018
    Dogwelder likes this.
  29. NoVa Lion

    NoVa Lion Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    Messages:
    7,578
    Likes Received:
    1,935
    People seem to forget Nevills before the injury. The one that beat Stoll in the dual and at BIGs. If he comes back fully healthy I expect he will compete with Stoll for the top spot at NCAAs at 285. Stevenson too if he goes. When is the last time a 5th year senior bumped up to 285 and made AA? Has it EVER happened? Probably has but I can't think of anyone.
     
    Cali_Nittany likes this.
  30. RoarLions1

    RoarLions1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 11, 2012
    Messages:
    5,587
    Likes Received:
    6,324
    Interesting question...can't think of one either. There were 2 true sophomores I can think of that won NCAA Titles at heavyweight, after wrestling 190/197 as true freshmen.
     
  31. matter7172

    matter7172 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2012
    Messages:
    2,149
    Likes Received:
    1,987
    It involved his brother going at 145, iirc, and his coaches messed something up.
     
  32. ZepGraffiti

    ZepGraffiti Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2015
    Messages:
    219
    Likes Received:
    209
    1 got outta Maryland, 1 went there willingly;)
     
    nerfstate likes this.
  33. NoVa Lion

    NoVa Lion Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    Messages:
    7,578
    Likes Received:
    1,935
    IMHO, McCoy took the MD job to be closer to PSU in hopes of eventually landing the PSU head coach job. He was actually my first choice before Cael threw his hat in the ring.
     
  34. mrh1645

    mrh1645 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2014
    Messages:
    149
    Likes Received:
    116
    Bryan Stout, Clarion. 3x AA at 190 (94-96); 4th at Hvy in 97.
     
  35. tomsc

    tomsc Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Messages:
    715
    Likes Received:
    575
    Any of them ever wear blue & white?;)
     
    nitlion6 likes this.
  36. PerryLion1997

    PerryLion1997 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2016
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    19
    Location:
    Landisburg Pennsylvania
    I'm not saying he could make 141, but he is one of those guys who peaked very early in physical maturity. 141 may not be as far away from his naturalnatural as it may still seem.
     
    Dogwelder likes this.
  37. jschrantz

    jschrantz Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2004
    Messages:
    3,119
    Likes Received:
    1,310
    Peaked physically early or the simple fact that Verk is 20 years old?
     
    Dogwelder likes this.
  38. Dogwelder

    Dogwelder Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    2,272
    Likes Received:
    3,054
    20? I heard Verk is 40. :)
     
    pawrest01 and jschrantz like this.
  39. jrd23psu

    jrd23psu Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2012
    Messages:
    2,794
    Likes Received:
    2,692
    I think Cael is a much simpler strategist and this seems like overthinking the lineup. We'll likely see

    125: Teske/Teasdale
    133: RBY
    141: Nick Lee
    149: Berge/Verk
    157: Nolf
    165: Cenzo
    174: Hall
    184: Nickal
    197: Rasheed/Cassar platoon
    HWT: Nevills
     
    Locolion and midniteride like this.
  40. jrd23psu

    jrd23psu Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2012
    Messages:
    2,794
    Likes Received:
    2,692
    Wasn't his junior year the year that his coaches goofed up his descent plan (when he bumped for a dual) and he was not allowed to wrestle at 145lbs and he chose to not wrestle off for the 152lbs spot and was out in the post season?
     

Share This Page