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Big difference between political/legal toleration (Bill of Rights) and societal/cultural toleration.Originally posted by massimoManca II:
"Unbelievable that that flag and the Nazi flag are tolerated in this country"
Actually - the fact that these despicable icons are "tolerated" in this country is what makes this country so great...
If you're familiar with p90x and p90x2, it's very similar, but more condensed workouts. It's a lot easier for someone who doesn't want to have to commit to an hour every day (though I'd recommend doing warmup before the 30 min vids in p90x3). I've been a pretty big fan of the series since the start, and with having a lot more responsibilities today than I did with the previous iterations, I certainly appreciate that the vids are that much shorter. I'd recommend it just as much as I would've p90x and p90x2.Originally posted by lattydaddy:
Wbcincy...what's your take on p90x3? Thinking about getting it for a relative and know you have experience with it
The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the States; and in uniting together they have not forfeited their nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the States chooses to withdraw from the compact, it would be difficult to disprove its right of doing so, and the Federal Government would have no means of maintaining its claims directly either by force or right.17
There is not, as with us, a government only and its subjects to be regarded; but a number of Governments, of States having each a separate and substantive, and even independent existence originally thirteen, now six and twenty and each having a legislature of its own, with laws differing from those of the other States. It is plainly impossible to consider the Constitution which professes to govern this Union, this Federacy of States, as any thing other than a treaty.18
The Federal Government exists on sufferance only. Any state may at any time constitutionally withdraw from the Union and thus virtually dissolve it. It was not certainly created with the idea that the states, or several of them, would desire a separation; but whenever they choose to do it, they have no obstacle in the Constitution.19
As a free city, with but nominal duty on imports, the local Government could be supported without taxation upon her people. Thus we could live free from taxes, and have cheap goods nearly duty free.21
We have repeatedly said ... that the great principle embodied by Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, that governments derive their powers from the consent of the governed, is sound and just; and that if the slave States, the cotton States, or the gulf States only, choose to form an independent nation, They have a clear moral right to do so. Whenever it shall be clear that the great body of Southern people have become conclusively alienated from the Union, and anxious to escape from it, we will do our best to forward their views.23
The indissoluble link of union between the people of the several states of this confederated nation is, after all, not in the right but in the heart. If the day should ever come (may Heaven avert it!) when the affections of the people of these States shall be alienated from each other; when the fraternal spirit shall give way to cold indifference, or collision of interests shall fester into hatred, the bands of political associations will not long hold together parties no longer attracted by the magnetism of conciliated interests and kindly sympathies; and far better will it be for the people of the disunited states to part in friendship from each other, than to be held together by constraint. Then will be the time for reverting to the precedents which occurred at the formation and adoption of the Constitution, to form again a more perfect Union by dissolving that which could no longer bind, and to leave the separated parts to be reunited by the law of political gravitation to the center.24"
You don't have to be from the south and/or a redneck to favor state's rights.Originally posted by NittPicker:
The racism debate aside, I always shake my head when I see some northern redneck wannabe flying the confederate flag. Southerners claim it's part of their heritage, blah, blah, etc. You can agree with that or not but what's the northern redneck wannabe's excuse? Why not fly the union jack? It would make as much sense.
I certainly understand the pride he has in his heritage and the fact he had relatives who fought in the Civil War. I wonder what he would think if someone parked beside his tailgate and hoisted a Nazi swasika flag? I'm sure he'd tell his new neighbor to take down that symbol of hatred and mass murder. But how would he respond if his new neighbor explained that his grandfather was a highly decorated member of the Wehrmacht during WWII? After the war his grandfather moved to the United States to start a new life and escape the devastation of Germany. Furthermore, his grandfather became a proud U.S. citizen but also took pride in his German heritage. This same pride was then passed down to the guy at the tailgate who wanted to honor his heritage by flying the flag under which his grandfather fought.Originally posted by fairgambit:
I don't want to get into the center of this debate, but I do know a guy that relocated to Pennsylvania from Virginia due to an employment opportunity and he often flies the Confederate flag as a symbol of pride in his heritage. He had relatives that fought in the Civil War.Originally posted by NittPicker:
The racism debate aside, I always shake my head when I see some northern redneck wannabe flying the confederate flag. Southerners claim it's part of their heritage, blah, blah, etc. You can agree with that or not but what's the northern redneck wannabe's excuse? Why not fly the union jack? It would make as much sense.
Where did I say you had to be?Originally posted by indynittany:
You don't have to be from the south and/or a redneck to favor state's rights.Originally posted by NittPicker:
The racism debate aside, I always shake my head when I see some northern redneck wannabe flying the confederate flag. Southerners claim it's part of their heritage, blah, blah, etc. You can agree with that or not but what's the northern redneck wannabe's excuse? Why not fly the union jack? It would make as much sense.
They wouldn't make them if people didn't buy them.Originally posted by TPSU_Lion:
How about the manufacturer and the store that makes/sells them?
Good post as well. I didn't post this because people could say, "That was just his opinion," but when whole secession conventions put it in their documents it becomes hard to refute. But, as the VP of the Confederacy, his words did carry much weight (he was also a key player in the drafting and passing of the Georgia document I posted).Originally posted by Raffycorn:
If we're talking about primary source documents rebuking the revisionist notion that the Civil War was fought and the south seceded for any reason other than slavery, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens' "Cornerstone Speech" should be mentioned: http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1861stephens.asp. Particularly, this passage:
"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."[/I]