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Remember when Paul Kelly said that this could take "a couple of years" to get to trial? Well, we're past a couple already (the article I read was from June 3, 2013). Patience folks. The stakes are big here.
The stakes are big here.
Hooboy. Trolls will love this.
Wrong.I would think this is a good thing from the Paternos' POV. From the article:
"The NCAA’s filing defends the quality of the Freeh report and the legality of the now-lifted consent decree with Penn State, as well as accusing the Paterno estate of trying to rehash allegations the court has already dismissed."
The NCAA will go on-the-record (as it is) regarding the "quality of the Freeh Report" and the legality of the "consent decree." Considering this will be a 175-page report, there would be a lot of stuff for the Paternos' to respond to.
I don't know ---- I always thought the NCAA's basic position should be "why the hell are you suing us as regards the quality of the Freeh Report. Penn State University is the entity which accepted this report. Penn State University is the entity which used that as a response to the questions we asked. If it is not of high quality, go ask them and Louis Freeh as regards that. We're not the correct entity to be suing, your beef is really not with us."
I've always said that the Paternos are suing the wrong folk (the NCAA as opposed to Penn State). They're only suing the NCAA instead of Penn State because that is better from a PR POV.
Just more delays adding to the time to resolution.
Just more delays adding to the time to resolution.
I would think this is a good thing from the Paternos' POV. From the article:
"The NCAA’s filing defends the quality of the Freeh report and the legality of the now-lifted consent decree with Penn State, as well as accusing the Paterno estate of trying to rehash allegations the court has already dismissed."
The NCAA will go on-the-record (as it is) regarding the "quality of the Freeh Report" and the legality of the "consent decree." Considering this will be a 175-page report, there would be a lot of stuff for the Paternos' to respond to.
I don't know ---- I always thought the NCAA's basic position should be "why the hell are you suing us as regards the quality of the Freeh Report. Penn State University is the entity which accepted this report. Penn State University is the entity which used that as a response to the questions we asked. If it is not of high quality, go ask them and Louis Freeh as regards that. We're not the correct entity to be suing, your beef is really not with us."
I've always said that the Paternos are suing the wrong folk (the NCAA as opposed to Penn State). They're only suing the NCAA instead of Penn State because that is better from a PR POV.
sooo is this good or bad?? I don't get how the NCAA defends the freeh report
This was already discussed in detail before with respect to the NCAA and what they are doing. NCAA has money as no object in this case. THere was an article I read a few months ago that the NCAA legal bill was something like 5X normal last year. Emmert and the power brokers in NCAA cannot have the Paterno lawsuit goto trial or there will be bad things happening to them. So they hire expensive lawyers and tell them to use every tactic possible to delay this trial in perpetuity in hopes that the Paterno's run out of money or that by the time it goes to trial, they have retired. THis is unusual in the sense there is not many organizations that are OK paying multi-million dollar lawyer bills to delay a trial by years with no recourse like the NCAA is willing to do.
That's why the NCAA continues on as a "non-profit".....This was already discussed in detail before with respect to the NCAA and what they are doing. NCAA has money as no object in this case. THere was an article I read a few months ago that the NCAA legal bill was something like 5X normal last year. Emmert and the power brokers in NCAA cannot have the Paterno lawsuit goto trial or there will be bad things happening to them. So they hire expensive lawyers and tell them to use every tactic possible to delay this trial in perpetuity in hopes that the Paterno's run out of money or that by the time it goes to trial, they have retired. THis is unusual in the sense there is not many organizations that are OK paying multi-million dollar lawyer bills to delay a trial by years with no recourse like the NCAA is willing to do.
Yeah, and the vermin are bigger.
This was already discussed in detail before with respect to the NCAA and what they are doing. NCAA has money as no object in this case. THere was an article I read a few months ago that the NCAA legal bill was something like 5X normal last year. Emmert and the power brokers in NCAA cannot have the Paterno lawsuit goto trial or there will be bad things happening to them. So they hire expensive lawyers and tell them to use every tactic possible to delay this trial in perpetuity in hopes that the Paterno's run out of money or that by the time it goes to trial, they have retired. THis is unusual in the sense there is not many organizations that are OK paying multi-million dollar lawyer bills to delay a trial by years with no recourse like the NCAA is willing to do.
What are the Paternos' legal grounds for suing Penn State?
I'm sure Mark Emmert never thought his grandstanding would result in this. He is dying a slow death and it couldn't happen to a nicer fellow. Same goes for Freeh and Corbett.
I would think this is a good thing from the Paternos' POV. From the article:
"The NCAA’s filing defends the quality of the Freeh report and the legality of the now-lifted consent decree with Penn State, as well as accusing the Paterno estate of trying to rehash allegations the court has already dismissed."
The NCAA will go on-the-record (as it is) regarding the "quality of the Freeh Report" and the legality of the "consent decree." Considering this will be a 175-page report, there would be a lot of stuff for the Paternos' to respond to.
I don't know ---- I always thought the NCAA's basic position should be "why the hell are you suing us as regards the quality of the Freeh Report. Penn State University is the entity which accepted this report. Penn State University is the entity which used that as a response to the questions we asked. If it is not of high quality, go ask them and Louis Freeh as regards that. We're not the correct entity to be suing, your beef is really not with us."
I've always said that the Paternos are suing the wrong folk (the NCAA as opposed to Penn State). They're only suing the NCAA instead of Penn State because that is better from a PR POV.
You wrongly presume that the NCAA did not have a hand in the drafting of the Freeh Report.
The Paternos have a net worth of around 42 million. As stated above, they will be given help if needed, but they aren't going to spend 42 million on this.
Ok Mich......So, let's assume you are correct.If you believe some of the folk here ----- the Board of Trustees TOLD Louis Freeh to frame Joe Paterno. In part, to cover up sins committed by the Board of Trustees.
If that's true, it certainly seems like there are legal grounds for the Paterno Estate to sue Penn State.
Of course, you need some tangible proof that this framing occurred. That's the challenge (and something the likes of John Ziegler don't necessarily like to address): there is a lot of talk about this "framing" having occurred, but little in terms of tangible proof.
Why, then, do the powers that be at PSU spend hundreds of millions of dollars to prevent anyone from looking behind the curtain?
How does suing the NCAA help to answer that question?
Conversely, how would suing Louis Freeh and Penn State University help answer that question?
Graham Spanier is suing the right entities. The Paterno estate is not. They're making the "easier play" of suing the NCAA. And hoping that this "back door lawsuit" gets results without the risk of a headline of "Paterno heirs sue University that employed their father for 50+ years."
Now, maybe this does work. But I continue to say ----- the Paterno estate should "walk the walk" and directly sue Penn State. It's more direct and also more intellectually honest.
If you believe some of the folk here ----- the Board of Trustees TOLD Louis Freeh to frame Joe Paterno. In part, to cover up sins committed by the Board of Trustees.
If that's true, it certainly seems like there are legal grounds for the Paterno Estate to sue Penn State.
Of course, you need some tangible proof that this framing occurred. That's the challenge (and something the likes of John Ziegler don't necessarily like to address): there is a lot of talk about this "framing" having occurred, but little in terms of tangible proof.
How does suing the NCAA help to answer that question?
Conversely, how would suing Louis Freeh and Penn State University help answer that question?
Graham Spanier is suing the right entities. The Paterno estate is not. They're making the "easier play" of suing the NCAA. And hoping that this "back door lawsuit" gets results without the risk of a headline of "Paterno heirs sue University that employed their father for 50+ years."
Now, maybe this does work. But I continue to say ----- the Paterno estate should "walk the walk" and directly sue Penn State. It's more direct and also more intellectually honest.
The NCAA specifically named Joe Paterno in the consent decree. Mark Emmert's spiteful grandstanding earned the NCAA this lawsuit. The Paternos are suing the right parties.
How about being "intellectually honest" and either:
Addressing the question: "Why would these upstanding citizens take such actions? And then form a blockade to prevent ANYONE from searching for the truth?"
Or, failing that, at least have the "honesty" to not respond at all......rather than with just another irrelevant and unrelated diversion to the question?
LOL.Because accepting the Freeh Report --- AFTER it became the news story of the day on that Thursday in July and everybody in America was talking about it --- was the 100% correct play.
You gotta look at things from where they stood at 12 Noon on Thursday 12-July-2012. From that perspective, they made the right play.
Where the BOT really screwed up is this: the Freeh Report should have been for internal consumption only. It should have never seen the light of day. If Freeh said that was unacceptable to him, you don't take on his services.
The real mistake by PSU BOT members was made in November 2011, in the weeks immediately following this story blowing up. November 2011. Not July 2012.
LOL.
"If the thinkin' cap don't fit........you must remain a Mich Nitt Wit"
I'm not a revisionist historian --- the world was it was at 12 Noon on 12-July-2012 and I don't forget the way that the world was at that time.
You can only play the cards as they stood at that time.
Fighting the NCAA in July 2012 would have been suicide. S-U-I-C-I-D-E.
Yep. That was the first and only moment in the history of time. NOTHING happened before that moment......or since.I'm not a revisionist historian --- the world was it was at 12 Noon on 12-July-2012 and I don't forget the way that the world was at that time.
You can only play the cards as they stood at that time.
Fighting the NCAA in July 2012 would have been suicide. S-U-I-C-I-D-E.