Ziegler claims to have tapes of Shubin manipulating accuser testimony

[francofan]

In the final segment of the John and Leah show (the last ~10 minutes of hour 3), Ziegler goes over why he knows the 70s accusations are false. He states that he sent a person who had been associated wth The Second Mile and a friend of the Sandusky family to Andrew Shubin to make false accusations of CSA. He said that the false accuser made hours and hours of tapes and provided them to Ziegler of Shubin manipulating his testimony to meet the requirements that Penn State needed for a settlement by indicting Joe Paterno/Penn State because the accusation was outside of the statute of limitations. He said that Shubin had referred the false accuser to a therapist to receive repressed memory therapy, the same therapist that had worked with other Shubin clients such as Matt Sandusky, v3, v6, and possibly others. I believe that this therapist is not Michael Gillum, but rather a women based in State College. Ziegler would not say if the accuser was awarded a settlement by Penn State.

If these tapes are ever released, I don't believe it would be good news for Andrew Shubin.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-john-and-leah-show/id1084615174?mt=2

 

[Grant Green]

In the final segment of the John and Leah show (the last ~10 minutes of hour 3), Ziegler goes over why he knows the 70s accusations are false. He states that he sent a person who had been associated wth The Second Mile and a friend of the Sandusky family to Andrew Shubin to make false accusations of CSA. He said that the false accuser made hours and hours of tapes and provided them to Ziegler of Shubin manipulating his testimony to meet the requirements that Penn State needed for a settlement by indicting Joe Paterno/Penn State because the accusation was outside of the statute of limitations. He said that Shubin had referred the false accuser to a therapist to receive repressed memory therapy, the same therapist that had worked with other Shubin clients such as Matt Sandusky, v3, v6, and possibly others. I believe that this therapist is not Michael Gillum, but rather a women based in State College. Ziegler would not say if the accuser was awarded a settlement by Penn State.

If these tapes are ever released, I don't believe it would be good news for Andrew Shubin.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-john-and-leah-show/id1084615174?mt=2

Key word. Zeigler "claims"

 

[Class of 67]

Can an audio made without taped person's permission be used as evidence?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

In the final segment of the John and Leah show (the last ~10 minutes of hour 3), Ziegler goes over why he knows the 70s accusations are false. He states that he sent a person who had been associated wth The Second Mile and a friend of the Sandusky family to Andrew Shubin to make false accusations of CSA. He said that the false accuser made hours and hours of tapes and provided them to Ziegler of Shubin manipulating his testimony to meet the requirements that Penn State needed for a settlement by indicting Joe Paterno/Penn State because the accusation was outside of the statute of limitations. He said that Shubin had referred the false accuser to a therapist to receive repressed memory therapy, the same therapist that had worked with other Shubin clients such as Matt Sandusky, v3, v6, and possibly others. I believe that this therapist is not Michael Gillum, but rather a women based in State College. Ziegler would not say if the accuser was awarded a settlement by Penn State.

If these tapes are ever released, I don't believe it would be good news for Andrew Shubin.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-john-and-leah-show/id1084615174?mt=2

If he does indeed have such tapes, is there any legal issue that would preclude him from sharing the tapes with JS's Defense Team and the Paterno et al Team?

 

[lionlurker]

Seems like these sort of tapes should have been used a long time ago. Why now?

 

[thecoolestfish]

"Ziegler claims to have...[x]"

LOL

If I had a nickle for ever time I've read that line, with [x] never appearing, I'd be a very rich man.

 

[83wuzme]

Can an audio made without taped person's permission be used as evidence?

My attorney wife says generally no, outside of an investigation by the authorites, i.e. a sting operation.

 

[thecoolestfish]

Seems like these sort of tapes should have been used a long time ago. Why now?

Come on, man. Simply put, they don't exist.

 

[lionlurker]

Well, of course. That was my point.

 

[Chris92]

Seems like these sort of tapes should have been used a long time ago. Why now?

Can you imagine the circus if JZ is subpoenaed to appear at a hearing before Cleland to testify about this? You know he's going to leverage this for maximum exposure.

 

[thecoolestfish]

Well, of course. That was my point.

Ahhh... gotcha!

 

[Chris92]

Come on, man. Simply put, they don't exist.

He would have to be even more insane than we think he is to make a claim like this against Shubin.

 

[JeannieNeedsAShooter]

Shubin is one of the worst people in this whole affair.

Ziegler's theories make a hell of a lot more sense than the accepted narrative and have far more logic and evidence. Unfortunately it's not the "truth" people want.

 

[Schizophrenic_MackDaddy]

Can an audio made without taped person's permission be used as evidence?

No. But Howard Stern would pay money to air it.

Then, it's a personal lawsuit.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

Can an audio made without taped person's permission be used as evidence?

How do 60 Minutes and Dateline do it?

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

I thought Ziggy quit a few months ago in disgust?

 

[Misder2]

Ziegler, I thought he was through with this. Crackpot carnival barker.

 

[Art]

How do 60 Minutes and Dateline do it?

Might not have any legal basis, but imagine if a lawyer is caught on tape trying to fabricate testimony and said tape is made public. That said, I'll believe Zeigler has such a tape when I hear it, and even then I'll be skeptical.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

How do 60 Minutes and Dateline do it?

I don't believe there is anything that would prevent the party from testifying to the contents of the tapes...

 

[marshall23]

Have not given this a great deal of thought. Zig says he has tape of Shubin being a fabulist. I choose to believe Zigler.

 

[Grant Green]

"Ziegler claims to have...[x]"

LOL

If I had a nickle for ever time I've read that line, with [x] never appearing, I'd be a very rich man.

He also stumbled upon a cure for cancer. Just waiting for the right time to let us know what it is. He will post an hour long video - the first 5 minutes will give us the cure and the last 55 will be a rant on the media and Scott Paterno

 

[Keyser Soze 16801]

This tape will be released the same day that the long-promised arrest of Rodney Erickson arrives

 

[Cvilleguy12]

This tape will be released the same day that the long-promised arrest of Rodney Erickson arrives

That was Ray Blehar saying that Erickson would be arrested not Ziegler & why do think Sandusky's attorney is asking for victims therapy records. Coincidence?

 

[CDW3333]

How do 60 Minutes and Dateline do it?

Most states are "one party" states so only one party has to consent to the taping (obviously the one doing the taping). Pennsylvania's a "two party" state, so everybody has agree to be recorded.

 

[lubrano]

I do believe the tapes exist. Personally, I hope John releases them.

 

[MtNittany]

Heh...

 

[marshall23]

I do believe the tapes exist. Personally, I hope John releases them.

I'd be interested to see a transcript of the tapes.

 

[Keyser Soze 16801]

I do believe the tapes exist. Personally, I hope John releases them.

Shouldn't Sandusky's attorneys put JZ on the stand and ask him about the tapes? I think we'd all like to see any and all misdeeds by Shubin exposed

 

[francofan]

Shouldn't Sandusky's attorneys put JZ on the stand and ask him about the tapes? I think we'd all like to see any and all misdeeds by Shubin exposed

While I would love to see that, I don't believe it relates to any of the PCRA issues that Sandusky's lawyers have identified.

 

[Nashville Lion]

Can an audio made without taped person's permission be used as evidence?

Yes...the govt does it all the time. How do you think undercover dope deals or FBI stings happen???

 

[francofan]

In the final segment of the John and Leah show (the last ~10 minutes of hour 3), Ziegler goes over why he knows the 70s accusations are false. He states that he sent a person who had been associated wth The Second Mile and a friend of the Sandusky family to Andrew Shubin to make false accusations of CSA. He said that the false accuser made hours and hours of tapes and provided them to Ziegler of Shubin manipulating his testimony to meet the requirements that Penn State needed for a settlement by indicting Joe Paterno/Penn State because the accusation was outside of the statute of limitations. He said that Shubin had referred the false accuser to a therapist to receive repressed memory therapy, the same therapist that had worked with other Shubin clients such as Matt Sandusky, v3, v6, and possibly others. I believe that this therapist is not Michael Gillum, but rather a women based in State College. Ziegler would not say if the accuser was awarded a settlement by Penn State.

If these tapes are ever released, I don't believe it would be good news for Andrew Shubin.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-john-and-leah-show/id1084615174?mt=2

I have been told that Shubin's goto therapist for repressed memory therapy is Cindy McNab. Has anybody ever heard of McNab?

 

[NittPicker]

Can an audio made without taped person's permission be used as evidence?

PA has one of the most restrictive wiretap laws in the country. It's only been a few years since police have been allowed to record audio during a traffic stop without notifying the motorist. Even at that, the officer can't roam around and record random conversations without permission. Court orders are needed to record conversations in which one of the parties reasonably feels they have an expectation of privacy. That rule also applies to undercover operations and telephone calls. Maybe there have been court rulings in the past couple years which have made it easier.

Anyway, as for a private party I'd say it's illegal to record what one person feels is a private conversation. All you attorneys out there can read Chapter 57 of Title 18 (Pa Crimes Code) and let us know your learned opinion.

 

[bdgan]

Might not have any legal basis, but imagine if a lawyer is caught on tape trying to fabricate testimony and said tape is made public. That said, I'll believe Zeigler has such a tape when I hear it, and even then I'll be skeptical.

Define manipulating testimony. "Encouraging" your client by asking him if this or that happened is one thing. Maybe even repeatedly asking him if he's sure certain things didn't happen and suggesting therapy to help him remember. Of course altering a client's testimony is completely different. It's quite possible that JZ's allegations are more of the former and less of the latter.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Shouldn't Sandusky's attorneys put JZ on the stand and ask him about the tapes?

You'd probably need to have some kind of trial taking place - - before you could "put someone on the stand"

Just sayin'.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

I do believe the tapes exist. Personally, I hope John releases them.

Well that will change the opinions of a few people on this board.

 

[PSUEngineerx2]

Haha, a message from Zeigler.

 

[wensilver]

Haha, a message from Zeigler.

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Wait - so now it's extortion? Bahahaa

 

[PSUEngineerx2]

Wait - so now it's extortion? Bahahaa

Extortion? Interesting choice of words. Is he forcing or threatening anyone?

 

[manatree]

So Mr. 'It's all about the truth' Ziegler, who has long claimed that victims said what people wanted to hear in exchange for money, is now himself offering to say what people want to hear in exchange for money.......

 

[PSU-Knocker]

Wait - so now it's extortion? Bahahaa

No, that's not extortion. If you want to claim doubt of JZ, put your money out there. There is no reason he can't profit from the nay sayers.