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So our new OC

Good to know - from the comments I’ve read no one has shared that - only heard he prefers the qb throwing the ball deep so a big arm qb has been a strong need in his offenses.
Pretty sure most schools run RPO including the final 4. A ton of NFL teams do it too, the Eagles used it to beat the Pats in the super bowl. Not sure why everyone is so against it here. We just don’t execute like them.
 
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Actually 24.75%, just to be an accurate jacka$$! Jk
That doesn't make him wrong. Many/most of Levis' runs were short yardage. Call it wildcat, lion or horseshit, those should not be considered QB runs IMO. If that was Cain or any RB guys here would be slobbering all over it....
 
"Hell he tried to turn Hackenberg into a dual threat qb."

That statement certainly qualifies for the Top 10 in all time BWI board stupidity. Either you never watched Penn State football during the Hackenburg era or you don't know what a dual threat qb is. Which is it?
Don't get tangled up trying to rank the all time stupid posts here. No matter how old you are, you don't have enough time left.
 
What stinks imo is that Franklin seems like he’s gonna do the same thing to Yurcich as he did to KC. He forced KC into running the qb more than he ever has in any offense he called going back almost a decade. From the comments from previous fans for Yurcich he prefers a big arm qb slinging the ball which again goes against Franklin’s desire to have a running qb as a sizeable part of the game plan. I just don’t understand why Franklin doesn’t go and get an OC who runs a system similar to what he’s forcing them to do anyway. Hell he tried to turn Hackenberg into a dual threat qb.
There are some good points here. Listening to some PSU podcasts who brought in some insiders that cover UT and who watched him while he was with Ok St, said that he prefers the big 6’4, 6’5 pocket QB with the big arm who stands back there and slings it. His QB’s will make some plays with their legs when the pocket breaks down but they are certainly not a “running” threat.
Like Franklin though it was said that Yurcich loves to throw deep and create “explosive plays” which Franklin loves.

But the new OC’s system seems to be almost the opposite of what Franklin has run going back to his time at Vanderbilt.

So what gives here? Will Franklin be almost completely hands off and let Yurcich do his own thing? And will we now be recruiting a different type of QB?

I love the hire as I have read and heard for a few years now that he’s one of the brightest young minds in the game, and I love that Franklin had the stones to make a really tough decision and make a change after only one year because he all-in on being elite....but when you take a step back and analyze, I think there are some interesting questions.
 
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The vast majority of the people here don't even know what it is. They think its zone read


I’d prefer an offensive coordinator who ran the Everybody Go Long Offense (EGLO) so I could actually figure out what was going on during a game.
 
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"Hell he tried to turn Hackenberg into a dual threat qb."

That statement certainly qualifies for the Top 10 in all time BWI board stupidity. Either you never watched Penn State football during the Hackenburg era or you don't know what a dual threat qb is. Which is it?

LOL. We ran a little bit of RPO with Hack towards the end. Some poster equate that with running the QB.
 
I’d prefer an offensive coordinator who ran the Everybody Go Long Offense (EGLO) so I could actually figure out what was going on during a game.

You are right. Life would be so much simpler if we lined up with 5 WRs and had each of them run the fly pattern just like in the back yard when we were kids.
 
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"Hell he tried to turn Hackenberg into a dual threat qb."

That statement certainly qualifies for the Top 10 in all time BWI board stupidity. Either you never watched Penn State football during the Hackenburg era or you don't know what a dual threat qb is. Which is it?
You can find the quotes from Franklin saying he wants Hack to run more. Plus if you watch the games from 2014 you’ll see how this evolved, and once again I’ll share the data.

Rushing attempts by Hack in 2013 - 49
Rushing attempts by Hack in 2014 - 93

And yes as someone else pointed out sacks are part of those numbers but I don’t care enough to sort that all out as on a read option play if the qb gets taken down behind the LOS it’s both a rushing attempt and a sack.
You don’t like what I’m saying go ahead and put me on ignore - idgaf. But the reality is that Franklin took a square peg round hole approach with Hack - and through 4 offensive coordinators the qb running the ball has been a large part of his offense at Penn State.
 
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Excited at the prospect of a coach with some ties in Texas; that said, I am not sure how Franklin has his staff recruit - are there regional leads? Or does everyone recruit a certain position?
 
Good article in The Athletic; Mike Gundy put Yurcich on the map and said he could open things up for Penn State if CJF lets him.
Athletic quote. Seems like CJF called Gundy well before the KC hire inquiring about MY.

“I told him the time before when he called me about Yurcich, I told him that’s who he needed to hire and he didn’t do it,” Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy said on Friday. “I haven’t gotten around to calling James and giving him a hard time yet because I said, ‘You just need to hire this guy. He’s from up there, he’ll be a really good coach.’ But anyway, I was just teasing him. We all gotta do what we gotta do.”

Yurcich was Gundy’s offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Oklahoma State from 2013-18. It was Gundy who made the surprising and unorthodox hire of Yurcich.
 
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Info from the new OC on his philosophy. In summary he wants to use tempo, and believes in formation and personnel variation to get his best play makers on the field. I shall warn everyone don’t expect to see the QB under center.

I watched the highlights of TX vs, OK St, Baylor and Colo. from what I saw and the novice I am. His offense at TX was pretty similar to ours. But I see more motion out of the WR's, I saw a few old style QB options (kind of like that) and Screen passes to the RB, ( I really like). It also looked like there were some really nice WR' routes and schemes.
The caveat of all this is how much was Herman and how much was Mike.
I don't remember seeing what I would call "Tempo" but they did seem to play faster than us or at least decide on a play and run it rather than making a lot of calls up until the snap.
 
What stinks imo is that Franklin seems like he’s gonna do the same thing to Yurcich as he did to KC. He forced KC into running the qb more than he ever has in any offense he called going back almost a decade. From the comments from previous fans for Yurcich he prefers a big arm qb slinging the ball which again goes against Franklin’s desire to have a running qb as a sizeable part of the game plan. I just don’t understand why Franklin doesn’t go and get an OC who runs a system similar to what he’s forcing them to do anyway. Hell he tried to turn Hackenberg into a dual threat qb.
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You can find the quotes from Franklin saying he wants Hack to run more. Plus if you watch the games from 2014 you’ll see how this evolved, and once again I’ll share the data.

Rushing attempts by Hack in 2013 - 49
Rushing attempts by Hack in 2014 - 93

And yes as someone else pointed out sacks are part of those numbers but I don’t care enough to sort that all out as on a read option play if the qb gets taken down behind the LOS it’s both a rushing attempt and a sack.
You don’t like what I’m saying go ahead and put me on ignore - idgaf. But the reality is that Franklin took a square peg round hole approach with Hack - and through 4 offensive coordinators the qb running the ball has been a large part of his offense at Penn State.

To count as a sack, there needs to be an intent to pass. Designed runs for the QB don’t count as sacks, just TFLs.
 
From what I've read from other social media fan posts (could be worthless so take it FWIW), they seem to feel he's generally a solid OC hire that favors pocket passing strong armed QBs. They've said that with QB talent and a good WR at his disposal he can put up big numbers. The flaw seems to be that he's boom/bust. They've said he'll rack up some points and explosive plays but will also have a lot of frustrating drives with punts, and isn't known for being able to grind out long TOP drives. They also seem to say he does have some creative "trick" playcalls, but sometimes uses them at strange times during a game and doesn't always set them up effectively, limiting their success.
Sounds like another JoMo.
 
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What is your proof that Franklin forced Ciarrocca to do anything. I keep reading that but I’ve never seen anything supporting it. Ciarrocca doesn’t strike me as a guy who would be forced to call any plays he didn’t think would work
Not proof, but when Franklin hired him, he didn't want much change in offense, esp. with terminology, and was against a new offensive system being installed. KC said he would do that.

Franklin said that the offense they had planned changed with the loss of Brown and Cain. Whether he thought KC was too slow to adapt, who knows, but the offense changed later in the season. It is also strange that Franklin said after last season that the QBs needed to run less and then they ran more. A matter of circumstance or design, don't know, but KC seemed to call more QB runs than he did at MN.

Maybe Franklin wasn't all the happy with the QB development. Clifford still has mechanical issues and they weren't trusting Levis to throw. Franklin mentioned several times that Levis needed to throw more.

Franklin obviously had reasons for the change, so hope it works out and hope KC finds a landing spot. Maybe Harbaugh will hire him.
 
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To count as a sack, there needs to be an intent to pass. Designed runs for the QB don’t count as sacks, just TFLs.

something I always wondered. When you see stats for a defensive player that has both sacks and TFLs, are they independent? For instance, does a sack count as both a sack and TFL?
 
Franklin has no clue offensively. He is deficient. He held JoMo back with all that talent. That’s why he left. I remember being at the 2017 MSU lighting storm delay debacle and was shocked how detached Franklin was on the sideline in the first half. He stood at the end of the bench and just watched. Arms folded. Very little interaction other than through the headset I suppose. If you didn’t know it, JoMo was the head coach. I had never seen a HC act that way. Unfortunately I’ve seen it a lot since then. Hope this new guy is able to do what he is hired to do. Score, score, score! That’s what elite teams do.
That’s funny I thought JoMo left to be head coach at MSU? I guess he would have said no thank you to that job and the millions more it paid him if Franklin would not have held him back. You can make arguments about Franklin and his coaching style without putting stuff out there that is flat out dumb.
 
Bottom line is this was CJF's first choice for a couple of years now.....he got him. Good luck to him, hopefully he can elevate the offense and attract great talent.

Great, now every time I read one of your posts I hear Ted Lasso's voice.
 
Franklin has no clue offensively. He is deficient. He held JoMo back with all that talent. That’s why he left. I remember being at the 2017 MSU lighting storm delay debacle and was shocked how detached Franklin was on the sideline in the first half. He stood at the end of the bench and just watched. Arms folded. Very little interaction other than through the headset I suppose. If you didn’t know it, JoMo was the head coach. I had never seen a HC act that way. Unfortunately I’ve seen it a lot since then. Hope this new guy is able to do what he is hired to do. Score, score, score! That’s what elite teams do.
Franklin climbed to the top of his profession coming from the offensive side of the ball, but he has no clue offensively, really? Think before you post. And if you think he has no clue, why would you want him actively involved? Keep your criticisms straight, will you?
 
Obviously never a fly on a wall but look at the circumstantial evidence. Going back to 2013 all the way to 2019 the QB’s in his offenses never had more than roughly 30% of the carries his RB’s did. Highest total running attempts was in 2016 when their QB’s had 80. Now at Penn State you mean to tell me he just up and decided to have his qb’s run the ball 181 times and ~65% of total rushing attempts on the team?
Plus as I shared Franklin has said multiple times over the years that having the qb running the ball is wants in his offenses to the point he tried to turn Hackenberg into a dual threat. Put all that together and it’s obvious he strongly influenced the offensive game plans this year.
Look at Ciarrocca with Seth Green as his wildcat QB in 2018. Levis played that role this season.

Seth Green
Was utilized as a wildcat quarterback and receiver
rushed 76 times for 282 yards (had only one negative rush all season) and eight touchdowns
• completed 4-of-5 passes for 36 yards and two touchdowns and also threw for a successful 2-point conversion
• caught two passes for 37 yards
 
What stinks imo is that Franklin seems like he’s gonna do the same thing to Yurcich as he did to KC. He forced KC into running the qb more than he ever has in any offense he called going back almost a decade. From the comments from previous fans for Yurcich he prefers a big arm qb slinging the ball which again goes against Franklin’s desire to have a running qb as a sizeable part of the game plan. I just don’t understand why Franklin doesn’t go and get an OC who runs a system similar to what he’s forcing them to do anyway. Hell he tried to turn Hackenberg into a dual threat qb.
What dual threat, passing over someone’s head or passing into the ground? He certainly didn’t run the ball.
 
You can find the quotes from Franklin saying he wants Hack to run more. Plus if you watch the games from 2014 you’ll see how this evolved, and once again I’ll share the data.

Rushing attempts by Hack in 2013 - 49
Rushing attempts by Hack in 2014 - 93

And yes as someone else pointed out sacks are part of those numbers but I don’t care enough to sort that all out as on a read option play if the qb gets taken down behind the LOS it’s both a rushing attempt and a sack.
You don’t like what I’m saying go ahead and put me on ignore - idgaf. But the reality is that Franklin took a square peg round hole approach with Hack - and through 4 offensive coordinators the qb running the ball has been a large part of his offense at Penn State.
44 of those rush attempts in 2014 were sacks.
 
Don't get tangled up trying to rank the all time stupid posts here. No matter how old you are, you don't have enough time left.

LOL. That reminded me of a conversation I just had with my buddy. He works for Comcast and was chuckling at how often old ladies will call in about their bill only to be told how many porn movies were rented at $5.99 each. I laughed at him and said "I don't care how old you are, there is more free porn available than there is time left in your life. Why would anyone pay for porn?"
 
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Not proof, but when Franklin hired him, he didn't want much change in offense, esp. with terminology, and was against a new offensive system being installed. KC said he would do that.

Franklin said that the offense they had planned changed with the loss of Brown and Cain. Whether he thought KC was too slow to adapt, who knows, but the offense changed later in the season. It is also strange that Franklin said after last season that the QBs needed to run less and then they ran more. A matter of circumstance or design, don't know, but KC seemed to call more QB runs than he did at MN.

Maybe Franklin wasn't all the happy with the QB development. Clifford still has mechanical issues and they weren't trusting Levis to throw. Franklin mentioned several times that Levis needed to throw more.

Franklin obviously had reasons for the change, so hope it works out and hope KC finds a landing spot. Maybe Harbaugh will hire him.

I think that was the rub. Yes, we were putting Levis in multiple times a game down the stretch, but when the head coach has to tell you he needs to throw it more, that doesn’t speak much about the vision and adaptability of the OC.
 
CJF loves explosive plays and I don't think he and Kirk were ever gonna be on the same page there. Big plays happen in his offense but it's the way they are set up and that's not Franklins style
Bingo! Franklin is big on analytics and mentions explosive plays in pretty much every single press conference. They rarely hit the metric % that he wanted this year. I will bet the house this was a major influence in his decision.
 
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Pretty sure Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day handled the bulk of the duties. In fact per some OSU comments I’ve read he left as he was unhappy not being able to have more input on the play calling.

I thought he was QB coach and passing coordinator at OSU not OC.
 
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