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so I must have missed it- did the earth shake? did anything change?
Who or what serves as your "alarm clock?"The crew's been awakened by Zig going after Michael Jackson's accusers using similar strategies ... like family members of the accused defending him, and spurned ex girlfriends of the victims who appear all to happy to call their ex boyfriend a lying cheating money hungry dog.
so I must have missed it- did the earth shake? did anything change?
Who or what serves as your "alarm clock?"
I wonder what motivates PHPB. He seems like he might be a troll. I wonder if he even has a connection to Penn State.
Could you explain, since no one at the press conference did, what valid reason Jerry had for signing victims out of school without their parent's permission?
I would also like to know why the Second Mile and the schools permitted that to happen.Could you explain, since no one at the press conference did, what valid reason Jerry had for signing victims out of school without their parent's permission?
How do we know that parent's did not give permission? It is incumbent on the school district to have documentation on file. I did not see any school district administrators indicted....did you?Could you explain, since no one at the press conference did, what valid reason Jerry had for signing victims out of school without their parent's permission?
How do we know that parent's did not give permission? It is incumbent on the school district to have documentation on file. I did not see any school district administrators indicted....did you?
I didn't hear anybody ask that question at the press conference. Where you there?
Now let me ask you some other questions if I may.
What is your motivation in posting on virtually every development in the fiasco?
What is your connection to Penn State?
A defender of Jerry simply must have an answer to that question. Don't deflect. What valid explanation would Jerry, as an innocent man, for signing children out of school without their parent's permission?
Since you apparently don’t want to state where you are coming from, I am concluding you a troll. I don’t think it is productive to feed trolls and will not engage in a discussion with you unless and until you can show you aren’t a troll.
I'm neutral on Sandusky. But, according to your question, which you pose that Jerry is innocent, what does it matter one iota if he checked kids out of school or not? I do not know the reasons for the kids being checked out of school. Maybe he took them to the doctor/dentist. Maybe it was for a driver's test. Maybe it was to go see one of their natural/absent parents (I am assuming these kids come from broken/fractured homes). There may be dozens of legitimate reasons. I'm sure no answer will satisfy your question, so why does it matter? I do find it incredibly hard to believe, though, that he checked them out of school to abuse them sexually.A defender of Jerry simply must have an answer to that question. Don't deflect. What valid explanation would Jerry, as an innocent man, for signing children out of school without their parent's permission?
So, you have no valid explanation. Jerry doesn't either, that's clear.
I'm neutral on Sandusky. But, according to your question, which you pose that Jerry is innocent, what does it matter one iota if he checked kids out of school or not? I do not know the reasons for the kids being checked out of school. Maybe he took them to the doctor/dentist. Maybe it was for a driver's test. Maybe it was to go see one of their natural/absent parents (I am assuming these kids come from broken/fractured homes). There may be dozens of legitimate reasons. I'm sure no answer will satisfy your question, so why does it matter? I do find it incredibly hard to believe, though, that he checked them out of school to abuse them sexually.
A couple Q's back to you:
1. Is it certain that this was permitted without Parent's permission?
2. Regardless of that answer above, why was the school permitting a child to be checked out from school to a non-guardian? That answer may be that Sandusky was listed as an authorized person. I don't know. Jerry saw himself a a Foster parent/pseudo-Foster parent to many of the troubled youths and this could have been part of his foster-parenting.
I believe there was testimony that these were without parent's permission. As such, there's no valid reason. Not a dentist appointment, not working out, not a driver's test.
The fact that the schools permitted this is a separate issue, and not pertinent to Jerry.
There's no such thing as a pseudo foster parent.
source? I dont care what you believe.I believe there was testimony that these were without parent's permission. As such, there's no valid reason. Not a dentist appointment, not working out, not a driver's test.
The fact that the schools permitted this is a separate issue, and not pertinent to Jerry.
There's no such thing as a pseudo foster parent.
source? I dont care what you believe.
Took kids out of school multiple times per week.
source?Took kids out of school multiple times per week.
Interesting comeback. You proved my point. I gave you three possible reasons for a child being taken out of school by Sandusky. Yet, you claim that there is no valid reason. Ummmm, ok. Then why ask the question since you have locked down that there isn't a valid reason?I believe there was testimony that these were without parent's permission. As such, there's no valid reason. Not a dentist appointment, not working out, not a driver's test.
The fact that the schools permitted this is a separate issue, and not pertinent to Jerry.
There's no such thing as a pseudo foster parent.
Was this testimony as truthful as the "excited utterance" of the crying janitor? God only knows. Is the photo someone who sees around corners?
I believe there was testimony that these were without parent's permission. As such, there's no valid reason. Not a dentist appointment, not working out, not a driver's test.
The fact that the schools permitted this is a separate issue, and not pertinent to Jerry.
There's no such thing as a pseudo foster parent.
Interesting comeback. You proved my point. I gave you three possible reasons for a child being taken out of school by Sandusky. Yet, you claim that there is no valid reason. Ummmm, ok. Then why ask the question since you have locked down that there isn't a valid reason?
Exactly what point are you trying to make?
Don't like pseudo foster parent? OK. How about responsible, caring adult. Tomayto/Tomahto.
Were these model parents and stable families and did they serve the needs of the child? Evidence suggests that maybe mom and/or dad were not June and Ward Cleaver.. The boys themselves weren't Wally and the Beav either.
Was Jerry on the assigned roster to be able to take the kids? You don't know and neither do I. If he was not on the list, then the school absolutely bears responsibility and should be punished for it. After all, Mr Shapiro told me that noone is above the law.
Aren't you the least bit curious why the school would allow the early dismissal IF Jerry was not on the roster? Don't you think someone should be help responsible from the schools. Could it have been that the youths themselves forged their parent's signature and early dismissal to allow them to leave school with Jerry? Given the alleged reputation of the kids, that may very well be what happened if parent(s) did not know.
absolve Jerry of what?That buck stops at Steve Turchetta, who admitted Jerry took kids out without permission. But that doesn't absolve Jerry.
This is part of why Jerry didn't take ther stand. He'd have been shredded.
Of taking kids out of school with out permission, against his own charities guidelines, for purposes of grooming them for CSA or for actual CSA.absolve Jerry of what?
SourceOf taking kids out of school with out permission, against his own charities guidelines, for purposes of grooming them for CSA or for actual CSA.
Yet the parents, kids, nor the school administrators ever attempted to put a stop to it. Why would a kid want to leave the safe haven of a school to go with a sexual predator to be molested? Can you answer that question?
So I've seen reports that an "influential" member of the community (not Sandusky) was questioned by PSUPD regarding his interaction(on campus) with a 13 years old in 1988. The individual in question was advised to leave campus and cease such interaction. Five years later, it appears the individual was arrested for the same sort of behavior. Yet allegedly, the person in question had access to the campus unrestricted until 2016. Does anyone know who this influential person might be? Could this be the key to Freeh's fantasy report? It might explain why so many are nervous every time someone supports a review of circumstances surrounding TSM scandal or a new trial for Sandusky?
or Trustees who championed their access (Emeritus).Wouldn't surprise me if there is something lurking. We certainly have no shortage of "people" who fall all over themselves making excuses for Piller of the Community abusers.
That buck stops at Steve Turchetta, who admitted Jerry took kids out without permission. But that doesn't absolve Jerry.
This is part of why Jerry didn't take ther stand. He'd have been shredded.
You have to be kidding.I would also like to know why the Second Mile and the schools permitted that to happen.
Wouldn't surprise me if there is something lurking. We certainly have no shortage of "people" who fall all over themselves making excuses for Piller of the Community abusers.
So I've seen reports that an "influential" member of the community (not Sandusky) was questioned by PSUPD regarding his interaction(on campus) with a 13 years old in 1988. The individual in question was advised to leave campus and cease such interaction. Five years later, it appears the individual was arrested for the same sort of behavior. Yet allegedly, the person in question had access to the campus unrestricted until 2016. Does anyone know who this influential person might be? Could this be the key to Freeh's fantasy report? It might explain why so many are nervous every time someone supports a review of circumstances surrounding TSM scandal or a new trial for Sandusky?
Or for those who wish to blame Penn State and Paterno for something they had no hand in.
Like you and the rest of your PL entourage.