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Pittsburgh media letting Tomlin have it, BIG TIME...

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I don't have the links but it is unanimous, and it is unmerciful: Ron Cook, Mark Madden, Tim Benz, Gerry Dulac, and nearly every other major sports columnist in the city, is calling for Tomlin to leave.

And they are RIGHT, REGARDLESS OF what the National media says.
 
I don't have the links but it is unanimous, and it is unmerciful: Ron Cook, Mark Madden, Tim Benz, Gerry Dulac, and nearly every other major sports columnist in the city, is calling for Tomlin to leave.

And they are RIGHT, REGARDLESS OF what the National media says.
He's been the head coach since 2007, which is an incredibly long time in pro sports. Since the 2010 season, his teams, other than never having a losing record, largely have underachieved, especially in the playoffs; he's 0-5 in his last five playoff games, and they've been blown out in all of those games in the first half. It's just time for a change, and it would do him good too for a new challenge.
 
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He's been the head coach since 2007, which is an incredibly long time in pro sports. Since the 2010 season, his teams, other than never having a losing record, largely have underachieved, especially in the playoffs; he's 0-5 in his last five playoff games, and they've been blown out in all of those games in the first half. It's just time for a change, and it would do him good too for a new challenge.
Now folks PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to the responses on this thread and compare how Steelers fans view the coach, vs how PSU fans view the coach.

Then try again and convince me how this Penn State fan base hasn't been poisoned into being terrified to criticize the head coach.
 
Now folks PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to the responses on this thread and compare how Steelers fans view the coach, vs how PSU fans view the coach.

Then try again and convince me how this Penn State fan base hasn't been poisoned into being terrified to criticize the head coach.
Comparatively speaking, Franklin has done a much better job with his program since 2014 than Tomlin has done with his.
 
He's been the head coach since 2007, which is an incredibly long time in pro sports. Since the 2010 season, his teams, other than never having a losing record, largely have underachieved, especially in the playoffs; he's 0-5 in his last five playoff games, and they've been blown out in all of those games in the first half. It's just time for a change, and it would do him good too for a new challenge.
The no losing records thing drives me crazy. He had a first ballot Hall of Fame QB 15 out of his 17 years in one of the most stable organizations in sports. Hard to lose. He took over a talented roster from the Cowher days and things have gone down hill to the point they haven’t won a playoff game for 7 years.
 
The no losing records thing drives me crazy. He had a first ballot Hall of Fame QB 15 out of his 17 years in one of the most stable organizations in sports. Hard to lose. He took over a talented roster from the Cowher days and things have gone down hill to the point they haven’t won a playoff game for 7 years.
It would've been much better if they had had two or three losing seasons in a row like Cowher did in the late 1990s and early 2000s so that they could've had much higher draft picks. With the way it is now, they're always in that mushy middle, which gets you nowhere. The Pickett draft pick has set this team back several years.
 
Now folks PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to the responses on this thread and compare how Steelers fans view the coach, vs how PSU fans view the coach.

Then try again and convince me how this Penn State fan base hasn't been poisoned into being terrified to criticize the head coach.
So THATS why you started this thread. Just wanted to keep on with your relentless ‘Franklin sucks’ mantra.
 
I’ll say the same thing for Tomlin that I’d say for James Franklin and I said for Jamie Dixon: be careful what you wish for. It’s much easier to make roster and staff changes than it is to replace a (probable) Hall of Fame head coach.
You could've said the same thing when the Steelers forced Chuck Noll to retire and replaced him with Cowher. That turned out to be the right thing to do and a great move, because Cowher breathed new life into a stale team. And Tomlin is no Chuck Noll when it comes to coaching accomplishments.
 
Anyone who trusts what Cook and Madden say is an idiot, so this probably won’t turn out how the Tomlin haters want.
Not all of us, and I dare say not most of us, who want Tomlin to go hate him. He seems to be a fine human and has done a decent job overall. However, it's just time for a change for both the team and himself, and it's so obvious. God, the Patriots just escorted a head coach out the door who won six Super Bowls for them and made it to three other Super Bowls. Why? Because it was time.
 
You could've said the same thing when the Steelers forced Chuck Noll to retire and replaced him with Cowher. That turned out to be the right thing to do and a great move, because Cowher breathed new life into a stale team. And Tomlin is no Chuck Noll when it comes to coaching accomplishments.
If there’s one organization I’d trust to make a hire in this situation, it’s the Steelers. However, I do think there’s a difference in the two situations; Noll was nearly 60 years old when he retires while Tomlin is just scratching 50. Maybe it’s his time to go like Cowher’s was around that point, though.
 
I don't have the links but it is unanimous, and it is unmerciful: Ron Cook, Mark Madden, Tim Benz, Gerry Dulac, and nearly every other major sports columnist in the city, is calling for Tomlin to leave.

And they are RIGHT, REGARDLESS OF what the National media says.
I've heard that Tomlin has been calling for all the above to be canned. He is right....
 
Tomlin is a strange case, similar to Franklin. Does some great things but has serious weaknesses. Yesterday’s game a great example.

Most teams, with a third team QB, away playoff game, facing a top team, in brutal weather…. would have collapsed after going down 21 nothing early. Yet they stayed in the game, came back and had a chance to win.

Same with the season. Lots of injuries, backup QB sucked, some players with attitude issues….. yet they kept focus and made the playoffs. Takes a good coach to overcome all that. And he has done similar things in prior seasons.

Yet his team has terrible discipline leading to internal turmoil. He played Trubisky even though Trubisky stunk as a starter the year before. If he started Rudolph three games earlier they would have had a much better playoff bracket.

Like Franklin, he is a good coach. But is he good enough?
 
If there’s one organization I’d trust to make a hire in this situation, it’s the Steelers. However, I do think there’s a difference in the two situations; Noll was nearly 60 years old when he retires while Tomlin is just scratching 50. Maybe it’s his time to go like Cowher’s was around that point, though.
Cowher left on his own because his wife died of cancer and he had young daughters to raise. He could have stayed another five years or more.
 
Cowher left on his own because his wife died of cancer and he had young daughters to raise. He could have stayed another five years or more.
I didn’t mean to imply it was “his time” because he forgot how to coach. It’s the same with Tomlin; he’s a good coach, but he might need to step away due to burnout, more time with family, or something.
 
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"Pittsburgh media" is generally a joke.

Cook should take all the criticism he sprews and write it about himself. He's been a washed up wind bag for 30 years that just tries to get people to read the past it's time PPG.

And I'm not sure where all this talent referred to in generalizations describing Tomlin's teams was or is. Lots of things go into wins and losses, especially in the one and done playoffs including injuries, turnovers and marginal penalties. Tomlin had the banged up Steelers ready to play yesterday and the game was won and lost on turnovers and a very few key plays. If Pickens would have played a more solid game, the refs had called a couple pass interference calls and treated Allen as a runner which he is when he runs, the Steelers would have had a great chance to win and likely could have pulled it out. As much as anyone could ask of a team playing on the road that squeeked into the playoffs. Every team and every year has it's own set of circumstances and generalizations made by the media or anyone else are pretty useless.

Joe could have won a few more MNC's as well. But as Joe would explain to the uninformed, the other teams want to win too.....

And Joe did have some advantages in funding, fan support, and facilities over some of his opponents.

The NFL is designed for parity and teams coming and going in dominance with the salary cap, free agency and reverse order of the draft. ITomlin's record of no losing seasons is an accomplishment within the NFL rules. Even Belichick succumbed to it. It's much easier to stay on top in college football as we have seen from Sabin, who couldn't win anything before he got to Bama and their win at all cost support and rule bending.
 
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I won't disagree with those columnist though some of them (Madden in particular) has been writing about Tomlin's adequacies for a while. I'm glad the others have finally seen the light. Until the beat reporters start acting less like PR for the Steelers and asking the tough questions--basically being like every other city's beat reporters.

In some ways, Tomlin's Super Bowl win in his 2nd year may be the worst thing to happen because it locked him in to pseudo-lifetime contract with the Rooneys. Him never having a losing season and the national media harping on that every chance further insulates Tomlin from any real scrutiny. Be honest--do you think the Rooneys really want the national criticism for firing a head coach who's never had a losing season and by the way, got his interview opportunity based on a rule named after the owner?

As far as the similarities between Franklin and Tomlin, I can see some--bad game day coach, never seems to get his team up for the big-time opponent, his guys love him, and talks a good game. But there are clear differences between CFB and NFL when it comes to what is considered a good/bad season. I think with the 12-team playoff, those differences are reduced. But what I find odd is that the national media takes opposite approaches to each of them:
  • Franklin - He's guaranteed to win 8-9-10 games but horrible vs Mich and OSU. Can't win the big game.
  • Tomlin - Look at what he does with nothing. He never lost more than 8 games. (crickets about the post season)
 
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I’ll say the same thing for Tomlin that I’d say for James Franklin and I said for Jamie Dixon: be careful what you wish for. It’s much easier to make roster and staff changes than it is to replace a (probable) Hall of Fame head coach.
Case and point. Exhibit B. 😂
 
I won't disagree with those columnist though some of them (Madden in particular) has been writing about Tomlin's adequacies for a while. I'm glad the others have finally seen the light. Until the beat reporters start acting less like PR for the Steelers and asking the tough questions--basically being like every other city's beat reporters.

In some ways, Tomlin's Super Bowl win in his 2nd year may be the worst thing to happen because it locked him in to pseudo-lifetime contract with the Rooneys. Him never having a losing season and the national media harping on that every chance further insulates Tomlin from any real scrutiny. Be honest--do you think the Rooneys really want the national criticism for firing a head coach who's never had a losing season and by the way, got his interview opportunity based on a rule named after the owner?

As far as the similarities between Franklin and Tomlin, I can see some--bad game day coach, never seems to get his team up for the big-time opponent, his guys love him, and talks a good game. But there are clear differences between CFB and NFL when it comes to what is considered a good/bad season. I think with the 12-team playoff, those differences are reduced. But what I find odd is that the national media takes opposite approaches to each of them:
  • Franklin - He's guaranteed to win 8-9-10 games but horrible vs Mich and OSU. Can't win the big game.
  • Tomlin - Look at what he does with nothing. He never lost more than 8 games. (crickets about the post season)
Big difference….. Franklin took over a team in serious trouble. Tomlin took over a winner in great shape.

Going forward from here….. which one can lead his team to the top? That’s what should really matter.
 
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Tomlin has lost 5 straight playoff games and given up an average of 38 points in those 5 losses. His last win in a playoff game was 2016. Tomlin is 8-10 in the playoffs. That's a losing record. All of his success took place with the team that Bill Cowherd had already built for him. There are very few people in Pittsburgh who want him back, and the fan base AND the media are not afraid to make that crystal clear and it is NOT limited to Cook and Madden. Perhaps you dislike all of the media in Pittsburgh? Well, good for you, but you are going to have a hard time finding anyone else to defend him.

Unlike James Franklin, he is held accountable for his work by his fan base, which doesn't suffer from the syndrome brought about by an ancient dictator who held his own program and fan base hostage by staying 20 years too long, and because of that, was part of a horrible tragedy that his program still has not fully recovered from yet.
 
Big difference….. Franklin took over a team in serious trouble. Tomlin took over a winner in great shape.

Going forward from here….. which one can lead his team to the top? That’s what should really matter.
What do you think the Steelers fan base would say if Mike Tomlin had gone 4-16 against the Browns and the Ravens in his first ten years?
 
What do you think the Steelers fan base would say if Mike Tomlin had gone 4-16 against the Browns and the Ravens in his first ten years?
Not much if they had been restricted to two thirds of a rooster and told they couldn’t draft in the first two rounds for three years. And any player was free to leave if they wanted to,
 
Who are
I don't have the links but it is unanimous, and it is unmerciful: Ron Cook, Mark Madden, Tim Benz, Gerry Dulac, and nearly every other major sports columnist in the city, is calling for Tomlin to leave.

And they are RIGHT, REGARDLESS OF what the National media says.
WHO are they saying that they could get that will be better?
 
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Not much if they had been restricted to two thirds of a rooster and told they couldn’t draft in the first two rounds for three years. And any player was free to leave if they wanted to,
See, we don't play that crap in Pittsburgh dude. We hold our coaches accountable, we don't make excuses, wr are not apologists, and we are the normal, not the exception, like you, the typical PSU coaching apologist.
 
Tomlin's safe unless he wants to leave--we all know that.
And who could be better is a question people have to stop asking. Tons of people COULD be better. I'd take Vrabel in a heartbeat. Who knew DeMeco Ryans would be great immediately? Coaching hires are always risky.
Firing Reid worked out for Philly and KC for example. No reason that can't be true in Pittsburgh
 
Tomlin's safe unless he wants to leave--we all know that.
And who could be better is a question people have to stop asking. Tons of people COULD be better. I'd take Vrabel in a heartbeat. Who knew DeMeco Ryans would be great immediately? Coaching hires are always risky.
Firing Reid worked out for Philly and KC for example. No reason that can't be true in Pittsburgh
Sadly, every damn thing you just said is true. Even an a$$hole like you, when correct, is correct. Another difference between me and my glorious group of haters(that includes one of our mods lol), I give credit when someone is right whether I like them or not.

And, unlike the typical PSU fan, I am not a coaches apologist.
 
How long do you think it will take Tomlin to find another NFL job if he leaves Pittsburgh?
Tomlin would find a new job as soon as he wants one
Should NE not have fire Belichick? Tennessee Vrabel?
The worst reason for not firing a coach is that someone else would hire them. Coaches almost always get another job
 
From ESPN--I think there's more we don't know and Najee gave us a glimpse of it--probably regarding the man-child named George Pickens

While the team wholeheartedly lobbied for Tomlin, Harris also hinted at some discourse behind the scenes. Harris emphasized the coaches weren't the problem, but Harris said he wants to see changes to the team's structure and discipline.

"Obviously, this is my third year," Harris said. "I have my opinions on things, but I'm just a player. But if we want to elevate and get where we're at, there's got to be some in-house things that need to change. I feel like Coach T always tells me, 'Just play running back' -- and that's some little inside thing that we have, too. But if we want to elevate and get where we are and achieve those goals that we want, we have to change some in-house stuff."

"It's just the rules that are in the building," Harris said. "We got to be more disciplined. We got to be more committed. I'm not saying that we're not, but just coming from a place that has structure and just seeing we probably could get help in these areas. It might make a change. I think that that's something we could help. I'm not saying nothing about coaches or anything like that. I'm just saying more of just in-house rules.

"I'm just a player, but the guys in that building know what I'm talking about."
 
Tomlin would find a new job as soon as he wants one
Should NE not have fire Belichick? Tennessee Vrabel?
The worst reason for not firing a coach is that someone else would hire them. Coaches almost always get another job
I really could care less one way or the other. I stopped being a diehard Steeler/NFL fan years ago.

But I don’t think the reason the Steelers lost yesterday was Tomlin’s fault. Early Turnovers and Defensive injuries at linebacker throughout the season had a lot more to do with it.

The biggest mistake Tomlin made this year was not playing Rudolf a lot earlier , and I’m not sure that was entirely his decision considering what the Steelers paid for Trabisky.
 
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I really could care less one way or the other. I stopped being a diehard Steeler/NFL fan years ago.

But I don’t think the reason the Steelers lost yesterday was Tomlin’s fault. Early Turnovers and Defensive injuries at linebacker throughout the season had a lot more to do with it.

The biggest mistake Tomlin made this year was not playing Rudolf a lot earlier , and I’m not sure that was entirely his decision considering what the Steelers paid for Trabisky.
There's always excuses/reasons for a loss that go beyond the coaches control. Yesterday isn't the concern but the trend behind it. Tomlin has a lot of control with the Steelers including the draft. Kenny was the guy he wanted. I don't blame him for playing Mitch over Mason because I don't think Mason is very good either but he fought to keep Canada which was also a huge mistake.

Again, I'm not in the "Tomlin is a moron" group. He's a great coach that will likely be very successful elsewhere. He and the Steelers however both need a change
 
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See, we don't play that crap in Pittsburgh dude. We hold our coaches accountable, we don't make excuses, wr are not apologists, and we are the normal, not the exception, like you, the typical PSU coaching apologist.
Dude, I live near Pittsburgh. Know quite well how it works. If the Steelers were treated like PSU was they would have burned down NFL HQ.
 
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Who are

WHO are they saying that they could get that will be better?
They don't have real answers or plans but do sometimes flail at options. They are just paid to put out click bait and create a story no matter how factual or realistic.
 
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