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OT: What do you think Kapernick and Co. settled for?

I oppose both Fascism and Communism, so what does that mean for me ? Why does it seem to be fashionable to be a communist or " socialist " today?


If you are to ignorant not to know the difference between democratic socialism and communism 1) you are not much of a businessman 2) could mean that freedom to you means your rights are more important than others in your country. I would recommend if you were capable of learning that you read 'Beat the Dogs Leg' a book written by a Christian Missionary in China in the years leading up to and including Mao overthrowing the Chinese Oligarchic Landlords which hired Japanese Samurai Warriors to kill, intimidate, provoke abortions through violence and more on the Chinese rice paddy tenants all while the corrupt government officials representing (the Chinese People) took bag money from the landlords to look away. ignore legal contracts. Paris Chang PSU graduate school professor in political science that moved to the US at that time in history introduced me to the difference. Most of my business ventures are with capitalists and democratic socialists from France, Germany, Canada...etc. because they know the cost benefits to small business from the combination of Capitalism and Democratic socialism. Numbers are my friend.... not rigid philosophies that ignore numbers and treat words so inarticulately and indiscriminately. PS ... take it to the test board. I just wasted a lot of words on a dolt.
 
I still have great expectations ,,, Step. No matter how many times those expectations are dashed. 2 months ago, my disabled son was put on a medication that has been reversing his brain damage at an incredible rate. Expectations are he will be able to become a self sufficient person after about 6 months of treatment with this medication. he will require a yet to be determined maintenance dose. He has been taking the medication in a trial which ends in a few weeks. His prescription drug company has been sitting on his pre-auth for the medication for two weeks without a response. I have great expectations for his future. Unfortunately, we will probably have to move off shore for him to have a life.

Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness and Free Speech is what made me serve. the first three cannot stand, as I see it, without number 4. These days the first three are unattainable for too many folks... and a wealthy few abuse free speech.... like screaming fire in a theater..... Although I never have had a grumpy day in my life, I admit to being both a Curmudgeon and a bit or a relic in these times..... by just speaking my mind. I have always preferred Samuel Clemens over Sam Adams. :)
God Bless Rip, I hope one day Rip, you and you're son can have peace and "live".
I'm very fortunate, while working for Michael Baker, Jr. In Harrisburg in the early 70's, mmy son (5yrs old) contracted spinal meningitis. Tommy was in a coma for two weeks, the special team from Hershey Med were life savers for my son. Karen and I spent the most horrific time of our lives kn that two weeks.

Once a year, i travel to Hershey for our annual three day A.P.C. fall conferance.
After business hrs, I'll usually spend time at "Your Place" adjacent to the Motor Lodge. During the course off the evening, nurses gather for a night cap before going home. For twenty plus years, the bar maid lets me know when the nurses are present, and I anonymously buy them a round kr two.

Also, my grandson Jobie, was airlifted from Wilkes-Barre to Hershey Med. with a crushed skull and brain injuries in the early 2000's. After many weeks of surgery and healing, we had Jobie back. He'll be graduating from Penn State Law this spring.
 
With all the draft dodgers who ran to Canada and were later pardoned by Jimmy Carter, i can't remember any of them to this day acknowledging their defection. Go to show the cowardice of their deed.
If a war were to happen in the future , i'm afraid the current generation will not answer to the call, fortunately we have a nuclear arsenal.
What a stupid, ignorant, redneck, A$$HOLE statement.
 
What a stupid, ignorant, redneck, A$$HOLE statement.

I don't think so, how secure would our nation be without nuclear weapons ?
I hope to God they would never ,ever, be used, but it's a deterrent against foreign powers such as Russia, and China. I don't think the draft will ever be instituted again. You completely took my statement out of context of offense vs. defense. Don't call people names, it makes you look mentally unstable.
 
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I don't think so, how secure would our nation be without nuclear weapons ?
I hope to God they would never ,ever, be used, but it's a deterrent against foreign powers such as Russia, and China. I don't think the draft will ever be instituted again. You completely took my statement out of context of offense vs. defense. Don't call people names, it makes you look mentally unstable.
I read your posts... you're fk'd up.
 
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They put out the word that no one - no team should offer him. There's little doubt he'd have been better than 25 backups and 10 starters. Redskins last year are a pretty significant example of a team that might have at least brought him in for a try.

This drives me insane. Nobody is arguing that Kap isn't better than most backups, and even a few terrible starters. But make no mistake, Kap is awful. Here's the enormous difference: those backups will play for league minimum or slightly more. Kap wanted to be paid like he's a good starter. So I lose my mind every time someone says "OMG, player X is starting this week and Kap doesnt have a job, well that proves it!!!" Except that Player X is playing for $4M per and Kap demanded $15M.

If he had asked for his actual worth, someone would've signed him. But he wasn't really interested in playing, so he exaggerated his worth to a number nobody would pay, and instead set himself as a martyr and for this settlement. Congrats to the mediocre QB.
 
Except that Player X is playing for $4M per and Kap demanded $15M.

Except that Kap turned down a deal at $16M/year. So at a minimum he was valued at that. Which means a team isn’t hiring him to sit the bench....

All in all, a ton of money wasted because of taking a knee. Most people thought it was Kap that blew it, but turns out it might have been the NFL .... or both
 
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They put out the word that no one - no team should offer him. There's little doubt he'd have been better than 25 backups and 10 starters. Redskins last year are a pretty significant example of a team that might have at least brought him in for a try.

But why would any team pay market value for damaged goods? He personally crashed his own stock
 
This drives me insane. Nobody is arguing that Kap isn't better than most backups, and even a few terrible starters. But make no mistake, Kap is awful. Here's the enormous difference: those backups will play for league minimum or slightly more. Kap wanted to be paid like he's a good starter. So I lose my mind every time someone says "OMG, player X is starting this week and Kap doesnt have a job, well that proves it!!!" Except that Player X is playing for $4M per and Kap demanded $15M.

If he had asked for his actual worth, someone would've signed him. But he wasn't really interested in playing, so he exaggerated his worth to a number nobody would pay, and instead set himself as a martyr and for this settlement. Congrats to the mediocre QB.
If he is at the low end of veteran starters, wouldn't that put him in the tyrod Taylor, bortles, Keenum territory? they get 15-18 mil per year.
 
Except that Kap turned down a deal at $16M/year. So at a minimum he was valued at that. Which means a team isn’t hiring him to sit the bench....

All in all, a ton of money wasted because of taking a knee. Most people thought it was Kap that blew it, but turns out it might have been the NFL .... or both

He didn’t want a one year deal, he wanted that kind of money on a long term, which nobody was ever going to do, whether he took a knee or not.
 
If he is at the low end of veteran starters, wouldn't that put him in the tyrod Taylor, bortles, Keenum territory? they get 15-18 mil per year.

Those guys also got those contracts because of specific situations. When Kap’s deal came up, he hadn’t just taken his team to the AFC title game and nearly won like Bortles, he wasn’t seeming to improve annually like Taylor, and he hadn’t just had a breakout year like Keenum. Instead, he’d just finished about his third season in a row of going nowhere, getting worse, and looking awful.

Without involving collusion, there’s also the cost vs PR hit owners take into account. So if Kareem Hunt wanted to act like Kap and demand a long term deal with guaranteed money, he’d never sign another contract. Does that mean the owners colluded when we see worse RBs starting every week? Of course not, it means that his baggage alone knocked his value down to a $1.1M non-guaranteed deal. This even if Kap were really good, like Hunt, it doesn’t prove collusion at all when he’s only willing to sign a big contract.
 
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I’d love to know the percentage of people who “hate” Kaepernick and also voted for Mr. Bone Spur.

If an orange bone spur can become president and a protester who happened to marry a senator’s widow can become Secretary of State, who cares what a football does for social activism?
 
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I’d love to know the percentage of people who “hate” Kaepernick and also voted for Mr. Bone Spur.

If an orange bone spur can become president and a protester who happened to marry a senator’s widow can become Secretary of State, who cares what a football does for social activism?

This should help foster a rational conversation going forward.
 
so their speculation is different from some other's speculation?

wait a few years, these things always leak out sooner or later
it’s still possible if not likely that someone with knowledge of the specific payment will leak it. Until that happens, the available information suggests that Kaepernick and Reid ultimately will not be receiving the kind of major payday that some had suggested in the immediate aftermath of Friday’s news that a deal had been reached.

It also means that, in our unofficial setting of the over/under at $49.5 million, the winning bet may be the under.

quoted from the linked article.
 
and another set of spin.....
I know three things that influence my opinion of the case:

• One: When the depositions given by NFL people in the case were complete, those inside the league felt confident that nothing was said by a league executive or employee that could be deemed damaging enough to prove the case that two or more teams colluded to limit Kaepernick’s NFL employment. Very confident. Maybe that’s right; maybe it isn’t. Now, in the time between the end of the depositions and now, could some attorney have told Roger Goodell or his top legal lieutenant, Jeff Pash, that they might have liability with something in one or more of the depositions? I don’t know that. But the big reason why so many who covered this story were surprised was because they didn’t see it coming—that’s how confident the NFL was in its case.

• Two: The NFL is coming off a strong season, with no mega-controversies (till the woefully handled missed pass-interference call in the NFC title game, with the league office’s clumsy attempt to bury it by ignoring it for 10 days) and an uptick in TV ratings and an influx of new stars like surprising young MVP Patrick Mahomes, Baker Mayfield and Saquon Barkley. The Bears and Rams and Chargers lifted dormant or down markets. Concussions were down a significant 23 percent year over year, giving hope that the game can be made safer. Roger Goodell mostly stayed out of sight during 2018, which turned out to be a pretty good strategy—fans didn’t have the commissioner on whom to focus their anger. With all that giving the NFL momentum this offseason, it’s probably a smart investment for the league to make the Kaepernick problem go away.

• Three: This comes from an excellent summation of the legality of the settlement from the University of New Hampshire’s associate dean of the School of Law, Michael McCann, writing for Sports Illustrated: “The loser of Burbank’s award could have challenged it in federal court, thereby creating public records with detailed information about the grievance. The NFL has long tried to avoid the discovery process and disclosure of any discovery.” Smart. So even if the NFL were to win the arbitration, Kaepernick could have appealed, and attorney Michael Geragos could have filed to force an appeals court to open up the NFL’s depositions.

In the end, if you’re talking a just way for this to end and you believe (as I do) that Kaepernick is likely to never play in the NFL again, he deserves a multi-million-dollar settlement, if that’s what he got. He did exacerbate what was a dicey situation already with his own actions, once wearing socks with pigs dressed as police officers. There were times when critics saw him as more interested in being a victim than a football player. Regardless, he didn’t deserve to be shunned by 32 teams.

I’ll always think Kaepernick hasn’t found NFL employment in 25 months because of business reasons, not football ones. I believe some teams have had interest in signing Kaepernick as a backup quarterback who may have been able to work his way into the starting job—on some teams—when the noise died down. But interested coaches and GMs with some franchises would have had to battle the business side of the organization and possibly the owner to get the deal done. That wouldn’t have to happen in a place like New England. If Bill Belichick wanted Kaepernick, I’ve got to think owner Robert Kraft would agree to let him make that move. (Maybe that’s why that rumor got some legs over the weekend, though I couldn’t find any confirmation of any interest by New England in Kaepernick.)

In the end, this became about more than whether Kaepernick’s free-wheeling style of play would fit a particular offense. It became about business, and whether Kaepernick would have indelibly affected the bottom line over the football product.

In my opinion, those issues are more specious than real, but I’m not the one running a team. It’s an unfulfilling end to the Kaepernick/NFL saga, if this is it. But we don’t get to choose the end that seems most satisfying or fair.

Read more from Football Morning in America here
 
Meanwhile, back at the Kaepernick thread...take the politics to the politics board.
 
Speaking of. I saw a statement the other day on the settlement that said no way it was worth 20 million. Who knows.
 
If you are to ignorant not to know the difference between democratic socialism and communism 1) you are not much of a businessman 2) could mean that freedom to you means your rights are more important than others in your country. I would recommend if you were capable of learning that you read 'Beat the Dogs Leg' a book written by a Christian Missionary in China in the years leading up to and including Mao overthrowing the Chinese Oligarchic Landlords which hired Japanese Samurai Warriors to kill, intimidate, provoke abortions through violence and more on the Chinese rice paddy tenants all while the corrupt government officials representing (the Chinese People) took bag money from the landlords to look away. ignore legal contracts. Paris Chang PSU graduate school professor in political science that moved to the US at that time in history introduced me to the difference. Most of my business ventures are with capitalists and democratic socialists from France, Germany, Canada...etc. because they know the cost benefits to small business from the combination of Capitalism and Democratic socialism. Numbers are my friend.... not rigid philosophies that ignore numbers and treat words so inarticulately and indiscriminately. PS ... take it to the test board. I just wasted a lot of words on a dolt.
Hey, he's from Hazleton and somehow proud of it - cut him some slack, he's had enough problems.
 
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