OT: USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates

[Ski]

Spot on. Have helped several people with health problems and have often corrected poor doctor care. Won’t go into details but no one....NO ONE ....should blindly follow what a doctor says. Especially people that have multiple doctors for different issues. If you see several different specialists get the email for the office and update every one anytime you change meds or have a change in your health. Verify that any new meds don’t conflict with existing meds or alter your condition in some critical way.

Doctors are over worked and only have a short time to see you. They don’t talk to each other on a regular basis and don’t regularly check your status weekly. If you get a new med that counters some other...but you do see the speciality at ordered for a month or two....you could be dead or seriously ill by then.

Doctors are also biased to their specialty. PCPs recommend drugs, surgeons recommend surgery, physical therapists recommend PT, .....acupuncture , nutritionists, voodoo,.....all biased. Get second or third options for big stuff.

A member of my pool team tested positive for Covid and they told him he was positive for two different strains of it. They suggested he contact his primary care doctor and get a script for monoclonal antibodies (MAB). He calls his doctor's office and the they tell him the MAB IV has a lot of bad chemicals in it and he won't write a script for them for anyone.

The medical profession is just like any other profession with good and bad practitioners. You need to do your homework and not just rely on one doctor. 2nd opinions are good and never tell the 2nd doctor what the first one said until they give you their diagnosis or you won't truly get a 2nd opinion.

 

[PSU2UNC]

He calls his doctor's office and the they tell him the MAB IV has a lot of bad chemicals in it and he won't write a script for them for anyone.

While I agree with you that physicians are imperfect and it is fine to get a second opinion or ask a doctor for clarification on something, what you wrote about does not sound like something a physician would say.

"a lot of bad chemicals" LOL.

 

[Ski]

While I agree with you that physicians are imperfect and it is fine to get a second opinion or ask a doctor for clarification on something, what you wrote about does not sound like something a physician would say.

"a lot of bad chemicals" LOL.

What I wrote about happened per the patient. Your opinion about whether a doctor would say it or not doesn't change that and your contribution was worthless.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

no, it doesn't. non of the studies show that. they say it does but it does not, if you look at the statistics. I don't believe a word they say and you shouldn't either. The stats simply do NOT support your position for young healthy people. There are zero stats or reasons why a young healthy person should be vaccinated.

For adolescents, the hospitalization rate was 10x higher for unvaccinated vs vaccinated last year. The stats have been there for months, but you will never see them with your head so far up your ass.

Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children...

COVID-19–associated hospitalization rates among children and adolescents increased with the Delta variant.

www.cdc.gov

 

[PSU2UNC]

What I wrote about happened per the patient. Your opinion about whether a doctor would say it or not doesn't change that and your contribution was worthless.

So three possibilities:

1) The patient paraphrased in a way that made what the doctor said nonsensical.

2) The doctor relayed the reasoning for their recommendation to the patient poorly (e.g. perhaps the patient has a specific allergy that is compatible with that injection, but the doctor should have said that)

3) The doctor has no idea what they are talking about.

I guess I was giving the doctor the benefit of the doubt, but any doctor who is categorically denying an FDA approved treatment because "it has bad chemicals in it" should have their medical license revoked.

 

[Obliviax]

For adolescents, the hospitalization rate was 10x higher for unvaccinated vs vaccinated last year. The stats have been there for months, but you will never see them with your head so far up your ass.

Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children...

COVID-19–associated hospitalization rates among children and adolescents increased with the Delta variant.

www.cdc.gov

Again, you can't seem to read. the issue is younger, erstwhile healthy people, who continue to be almost unaffected by COVID. The issue is the govt's "one size fits all". It started with a discussion about being a healthy 17 year old. Why should they take the risk of being vaxxed?

Do your "stats" show age, obesity, comorbidities? Let me answer for you...no they do not.

Get your head out of your ass so you can read and think without being influenced by propaganda.

 

[LaJollaLion]

For adolescents, the hospitalization rate was 10x higher for unvaccinated vs vaccinated last year. The stats have been there for months, but you will never see them with your head so far up your ass.

Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children...

COVID-19–associated hospitalization rates among children and adolescents increased with the Delta variant.

www.cdc.gov

He will just move the goalposts.

 

[GTACSA]

Again, you can't seem to read. the issue is younger, erstwhile healthy people, who continue to be almost unaffected by COVID. The issue is the govt's "one size fits all". It started with a discussion about being a healthy 17 year old. Why should they take the risk of being vaxxed?

Do your "stats" show age, obesity, comorbidities? Let me answer for you...no they do not.

Get your head out of your ass so you can read and think without being influenced by propaganda.

Could you please describe the mechanism by which mRNA might cause long term issues; or provide a link which describes it. I am genuinely interested in this assertion.

 

[lazydave841]

the stats show that very few people age 40 are dying of covid. Nationally, 34,300 have died from COVID nationally in almost three years for people between 40 and 50. For 30 and 40, it is 14,140. These are both well under 1% of those testing positive.

You can't have a discussion with the person you are trying. In the same breathe, 34300 people is too much death, but in his locale it's "stupid unvaxxed mouth breathers dying".

I truly hope this person doesn't work with people. Expandability based on ideals is mental illness. Or he's simply an agenda pusher. Willing to say whatever it takes to be in opposition.

 

[Obliviax]

You can't have a discussion with the person you are trying. In the same breathe, 34300 people is too much death, but in his locale it's "stupid unvaxxed mouth breathers dying".

I truly hope this person doesn't work with people. Expandability based on ideals is mental illness. Or he's simply an agenda pusher. Willing to say whatever it takes to be in opposition.

Aside from any individual, this must be spoken of in terms of risk tolerance for each individual. Vaccinating five-year-old kids is ludicrous unless they have a comorbidity of some sort. At the same time, it is ludicrous to NOT get vaccinated if you are 70 and overweight.

I lean toward being a naturalist. Any and all medications simply boost your natural body features to address some kind of weakness; be it a virus, cancer, failing kidneys, or high blood pressure. However, every action has an opposite reaction. I love science and medicine but only take them when there is a need. I do not take aspirin for a headache I don't have or depressions medications when I am not depressed.

 

[WPTLION]

A member of my pool team tested positive for Covid and they told him he was positive for two different strains of it. They suggested he contact his primary care doctor and get a script for monoclonal antibodies (MAB). He calls his doctor's office and the they tell him the MAB IV has a lot of bad chemicals in it and he won't write a script for them for anyone.

The medical profession is just like any other profession with good and bad practitioners. You need to do your homework and not just rely on one doctor. 2nd opinions are good and never tell the 2nd doctor what the first one said until they give you their diagnosis or you won't truly get a 2nd opinion.

There is no way they told him he was positive for two different strains. Thats not how he tests work.

 

[tgar]

Aside from any individual, this must be spoken of in terms of risk tolerance for each individual. Vaccinating five-year-old kids is ludicrous unless they have a comorbidity of some sort. At the same time, it is ludicrous to NOT get vaccinated if you are 70 and overweight.

I lean toward being a naturalist. Any and all medications simply boost your natural body features to address some kind of weakness; be it a virus, cancer, failing kidneys, or high blood pressure. However, every action has an opposite reaction. I love science and medicine but only take them when there is a need. I do not take aspirin for a headache I don't have or depressions medications when I am not depressed.

I am curious. When the local health care facility, in this case MNHC, is overwhelmed for well over a year and the message is spread throughout the community repeatedly that they could use help from the local population by getting vaccinated and reducing the stress on the system everyone relies on goes unheeded, what should the course of action be?

You mention a contrast of 5 YO and 70 YO. The reality locally is many 30, 40, 50, and 60 YOs are filling the facility with Covid illness due in part to the fact that none of them are vaxxed. This affects the local population, my own wellness visit scheduled for the 25th has been pushed to the end of February for the time being because my Primary physician has once again been reassigned to the Covid ward. I am a paying customer. All of these folks have had a year to get with the program, they don’t but when shit hits the fan they find medical jesus and will show up at the ER demanding care.

From a “ risk tolerance “ standpoint, everyone of them could have been vaxxed which would have helped to support community health initiatives. They didn’t and as a result they continue to fill the ER and hospital significantly affecting level of care and availability of care for many others.

Should these mouth breathing flat earth fat slobs be denied care? I say sure, why not. Their risk tolerance calculation was they will survive and don’t need the jab. ( I don’t really care about all of their whacked out conspiracy bullshit, it’s laughable ) Send they home with a get well card.

Where do you stand on this? It’s the unvaxxed ( again, many in the 30 to 60 YO age range ) that are to a certain extent overwhelming the local hospitals including Geisinger in Lewistown.

Hopefully the latest variant takes care of the problem but if that doesn’t happen what is reasonable?

 

[tlbakernc]

As were mine. They are real people in my life, but their experiences will vary from others....hence they are anecdotal in the grand scheme of things. I know Fauci is the devil....we get it. Basically what you're saying is they didn't have all of the answers, still don't, so don't trust the medical field at all.....got it. The people that still bring up Fauci when you state talk to your own Doctor shows how tone def some people really are. You sound like you could be Tucker's puppet with the misinformation about spreading with the vaccine in your one post.....it's been know for a while you can still get it and spread it, but it alleviates the symptoms and doesn't overwhelm the hospitals and ICU's. That is where we are at currently unless you think that too

Car crash deaths have surged during COVID-19 pandemic. Here's why

Evidence suggests the pandemic has made U.S. drivers more reckless — more likely to speed, drink or use drugs and to leave their seatbelts unbuckled.

www.latimes.com

A wise man once told me statistics lie and liars love statistics. Here’s the example he gave me. Murder rates go up every summer. Ice cream sales increase in summer too. Therefore we can deduce that ice cream causes people to commit murders. The CDC, pro vaccination, anti vaccination, media, governments, and politicians have been playing this game for 2 years. Everyone is cherry picking thru data or not collecting data to fit their agenda.

 

[WPTLION]

I am curious. When the local health care facility, in this case MNHC, is overwhelmed for well over a year and the message is spread throughout the community repeatedly that they could use help from the local population by getting vaccinated and reducing the stress on the system everyone relies on goes unheeded, what should the course of action be?

You mention a contrast of 5 YO and 70 YO. The reality locally is many 30, 40, 50, and 60 YOs are filling the facility with Covid illness due in part to the fact that none of them are vaxxed. This affects the local population, my own wellness visit scheduled for the 25th has been pushed to the end of February for the time being because my Primary physician has once again been reassigned to the Covid ward. I am a paying customer. All of these folks have had a year to get with the program, they don’t but when shit hits the fan they find medical jesus and will show up at the ER demanding care.

From a “ risk tolerance “ standpoint, everyone of them could have been vaxxed which would have helped to support community health initiatives. They didn’t and as a result they continue to fill the ER and hospital significantly affecting level of care and availability of care for many others.

Should these mouth breathing flat earth fat slobs be denied care? I say sure, why not. Their risk tolerance calculation was they will survive and don’t need the jab. ( I don’t really care about all of their whacked out conspiracy bullshit, it’s laughable ) Send they home with a get well card.

Where do you stand on this? It’s the unvaxxed ( again, many in the 30 to 60 YO age range ) that are to a certain extent overwhelming the local hospitals including Geisinger in Lewistown.

Hopefully the latest variant takes care of the problem but if that doesn’t happen what is reasonable?

That's the only hospital in the world that is being filled with 30 and 40 year olds with covid. Now if you said they are going to the ER for treatment for their cold you might have a point but they need to get a primary care Doctor. Again not sure why its so hard to understand vaxxed are there to. MAybe if we would have focused on treatments that worked not vaccines that don't do much there's be no one in hospitals. Here in Lycoming County Covid patients as a whole are taking up 40 of 389 beds--remember some of them are there for something else. Maybe the Doctors here are just better and treating patients!

 

[tlbakernc]

what is the record for pages of a thread?

We are very close! There was a Paterno scandal thread that may hold the record. But I have a feeling this one may break all records.

 

[WPTLION]

Here ya go...no wonder people on here think things are bad---they listen to these people. This is boardline criminal for SCOTUS member to LIE like this. "Omicron is as deadly as delta and causes as much serious disease in the unvaccinated as delta did," she said. "The numbers—look at the hospitalization rates going up. We have more infected people today than we did a year ago in January. We have hospitals that are almost at full capacity with people severely ill on ventilators. We have over 100,000 children, which we've never had before, in serious condition, and many on ventilators."

 

[PSU2UNC]

. Any and all medications simply boost your natural body features to address some kind of weakness;

This is factually incorrect. For example, antibiotics do not boost the immune system; the drugs themselves act directly on the pathogens.

be it a virus, cancer, failing kidneys, or high blood pressure. However, every action has an opposite reaction. I love science and medicine but only take them when there is a need. I do not take aspirin for a headache I don't have or depressions medications when I am not depressed.

What if you had to take a daily pill to prevent depression? Or would you wait until you had the noose tied before you considered a pharmacological treatment?

Would you take an anti-malarial or would you just wait to get malaria?

 

[The Spin Meister]

Here ya go...no wonder people on here think things are bad---they listen to these people. This is boardline criminal for SCOTUS member to LIE like this. "Omicron is as deadly as delta and causes as much serious disease in the unvaccinated as delta did," she said. "The numbers—look at the hospitalization rates going up. We have more infected people today than we did a year ago in January. We have hospitals that are almost at full capacity with people severely ill on ventilators. We have over 100,000 children, which we've never had before, in serious condition, and many on ventilators."

Did someone correct her after she made these emotional distortions of reality?

 

[Obliviax]

I am curious. When the local health care facility, in this case MNHC, is overwhelmed for well over a year and the message is spread throughout the community repeatedly that they could use help from the local population by getting vaccinated and reducing the stress on the system everyone relies on goes unheeded, what should the course of action be?

You mention a contrast of 5 YO and 70 YO. The reality locally is many 30, 40, 50, and 60 YOs are filling the facility with Covid illness due in part to the fact that none of them are vaxxed. This affects the local population, my own wellness visit scheduled for the 25th has been pushed to the end of February for the time being because my Primary physician has once again been reassigned to the Covid ward. I am a paying customer. All of these folks have had a year to get with the program, they don’t but when shit hits the fan they find medical jesus and will show up at the ER demanding care.

From a “ risk tolerance “ standpoint, everyone of them could have been vaxxed which would have helped to support community health initiatives. They didn’t and as a result they continue to fill the ER and hospital significantly affecting level of care and availability of care for many others.

Should these mouth breathing flat earth fat slobs be denied care? I say sure, why not. Their risk tolerance calculation was they will survive and don’t need the jab. ( I don’t really care about all of their whacked out conspiracy bullshit, it’s laughable ) Send they home with a get well card.

Where do you stand on this? It’s the unvaxxed ( again, many in the 30 to 60 YO age range ) that are to a certain extent overwhelming the local hospitals including Geisinger in Lewistown.

Hopefully the latest variant takes care of the problem but if that doesn’t happen what is reasonable?

First, please link to the stats showing the age breakdown of people in the hospitals DUE (not with) COVID.

I suspect that there is a perfect storm

• we have just come through the "Great Resignation" where tons of people have resigned and everyone is screaming for employees across the board (I am desperately looking for developers and project managers)
• lots of hospital employees were let go because they wouldn't vax so there is an extra level of lost employee
• With the massive outbreak of COVID (Omicron) there is just more people infected
• Often, people in the hospital are confused with "from COVID" and "With COVID". Those are not the same thing. But with the massive number of infections, it is easy to see that a person who was in a traffic accident and in the hospital, as a result, can also be tagged "with COVID" if they test positive
• The tests are NOT accurate. PSU learned this and the NFL just changed their policy because too many people who were not sick or symptomatic were testing positive and were quarantined
• The holidays are always high hospital intensive due to the stress, travel and movement around the holidays

On the rest of your post, it is just sheer lunacy. For example, there are tons of ways to prevent pregnancy. If someone is pregnant and can't afford it, why should they get any kind of or level of care? If someone is overweight due to going to Starbucks for breakfast and pizzahut for lunch every day? Why should cities get tax money to fund the rebuild after BLM damage?

Where do I stand on the vaccine? I am fully vaxed. I did my risk profile and found that to be advantageous. My teen age daughter is too but only because our govt has turned into the Soviet Union on it. There is no reason for her to be vaxxed with her risk profile. In all kids, age 17 or less, less than 700 died of covid or covid related conditions (including kids with huge massive comorbidities).

 

[Obliviax]

This is factually incorrect. For example, antibiotics do not boost the immune system; the drugs themselves act directly on the pathogens.

What if you had to take a daily pill to prevent depression? Or would you wait until you had the noose tied before you considered a pharmacological treatment?

Would you take an anti-malarial or would you just wait to get malaria?

If I had a high concern of dead from COVID, I'd take it. If I had a statistically zero percent chance of dying from COVID, I would not take it. I don't take drugs for Malaria. Why? My chances of getting it are statistically zero.

 

[Obliviax]

@tgar

 

[tgar]

First, please link to the stats showing the age breakdown of people in the hospitals DUE (not with) COVID.

I suspect that there is a perfect storm

• we have just come through the "Great Resignation" where tons of people have resigned and everyone is screaming for employees across the board (I am desperately looking for developers and project managers)
• lots of hospital employees were let go because they wouldn't vax so there is an extra level of lost employee
• With the massive outbreak of COVID (Omicron) there is just more people infected
• Often, people in the hospital are confused with "from COVID" and "With COVID". Those are not the same thing. But with the massive number of infections, it is easy to see that a person who was in a traffic accident and in the hospital, as a result, can also be tagged "with COVID" if they test positive
• The tests are NOT accurate. PSU learned this and the NFL just changed their policy because too many people who were not sick or symptomatic were testing positive and were quarantined
• The holidays are always high hospital intensive due to the stress, travel and movement around the holidays

On the rest of your post, it is just sheer lunacy. For example, there are tons of ways to prevent pregnancy. If someone is pregnant and can't afford it, why should they get any kind of or level of care? If someone is overweight due to going to Starbucks for breakfast and pizzahut for lunch every day? Why should cities get tax money to fund the rebuild after BLM damage?

Where do I stand on the vaccine? I am fully vaxed. I did my risk profile and found that to be advantageous. My teen age daughter is too but only because our govt has turned into the Soviet Union on it. There is no reason for her to be vaxxed with her risk profile. In all kids, age 17 or less, less than 700 died of covid or covid related conditions (including kids with huge massive comorbidities).

You pretty much missed on all of your assumptions but you don’t live here so you assessed some talking points to our situation, that was easy. I have heard them and read them here numerous times and they do not come close to describing what the reality has been for the past 16 months or more.

BTW, that fat overweight slob doesn’t bring a grinding halt to the local ER on a weekend, even if he or she is joined by 50 of their fat pie hole stuffing friends. Covid patients on the other hand clogging up the ER to the extent the hospital has to send out a warning to the surrounding community………


I know it would be nice to think these dimwits that access information from Joe Rogan or Buddy or FB should be treated with respect but the truth is they are a pack of imbeciles who when the going gets tough, cave.

 

[Obliviax]

You pretty much missed on all of your assumptions but you don’t live here so you assessed some talking points to our situation, that was easy. I have heard them and read them here numerous times and they do not come close to describing what the reality has been for the past 16 months or more.

BTW, that fat overweight slob doesn’t bring a grinding halt to the local ER on a weekend, even if he or she is joined by 50 of their fat pie hole stuffing friends. Covid patients on the other hand clogging up the ER to the extent the hospital has to send out a warning to the surrounding community………


I know it would be nice to think these dimwits that access information from Joe Rogan or Buddy or FB should be treated with respect but the truth is they are a pack of imbeciles who when the going gets tough, cave.

You didn't show me any stats. How many people under the age of 50 are being hospitalized BECAUSE OF (not with) COVID?

I know you are avoiding the subject because you don't know. Neither do I. Then factor in the hospitals diminished capacity due to the other factors I outlined. Don't be a sheep taking on the latest media fear porn. I've suspect, for months from now, Omicron will be the best thing that ever happened regarding COVID.

 

[tgar]

You didn't show me any stats. How many people under the age of 50 are being hospitalized BECAUSE OF (not with) COVID?

I know you are avoiding the subject because you don't know. Neither do I. Then factor in the hospitals diminished capacity due to the other factors I outlined. Don't be a sheep taking on the latest media fear porn. I suspect, four months from now, Omicron will be the best thing that ever happened regarding COVID.

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Here is the latest patient portal. The patient load has been as high as 68 I believe and what you see today is about average for the past month. At one point a few weeks ago the numbers were high enough they shut down accepting patients in ER. Certainly some of my figures regarding age are anecdotal from living here, it’s pretty easy to Pick up on who is filling the place when your medical practice neighbors are fed up and vent during a conversation. An in-law is the intake Admin at another regional hospital in a small town, so names everyone knows are frequently discussed as good old FB has numerous posts of their friends etc asking for prayers. You know what the first question always is…. Were they vaccinated? As for admitted and vaxxed, many are not fully vaxxed and many are also older and infirm. Word always spreads in small towns, the Obituary section in the CDT is also full of clues or info, based on your viewpoint. If we were in month one, my certainty would be much different than it is today, no doubt. I also have an exec friend at UPMC and a friend who is a board member at a regional and I hear a lot of what goes on and what the challenges are.

I started paying more attention when the staff at MNHC started taking out full page ads in the CDT imploring folks to do their part. 60% have.

https://www.mountnittany.org/images...board/covid-data_1.7.22.jpg?sfvrsn=9f23df93_3

 

[Obliviax]

Here is the latest patient portal. The patient load has been as high as 68 I believe and what you see today is about average for the past month. At one point a few weeks ago the numbers were high enough they shut down accepting patients in ER. Certainly some of my figures regarding age are anecdotal from living here, it’s pretty easy to Pick up on who is filling the place when your medical practice neighbors are fed up and vent during a conversation. An in-law is the intake Admin at another regional hospital in a small town, so names everyone knows are frequently discussed as good old FB has numerous posts of their friends etc asking for prayers. You know what the first question always is…. Were they vaccinated? As for admitted and vaxxed, many are not fully vaxxed and many are also older and infirm. Word always spreads in small towns, the Obituary section in the CDT is also full of clues or info, based on your viewpoint. If we were in month one, my certainty would be much different than it is today, no doubt. I also have an exec friend at UPMC and a friend who is a board member at a regional and I hear a lot of what goes on and what the challenges are.

I started paying more attention when the staff at MNHC started taking out full page ads in the CDT imploring folks to do their part. 60% have.

https://www.mountnittany.org/images...board/covid-data_1.7.22.jpg?sfvrsn=9f23df93_3

Isn't the data I asked for. There is no breakdown by age. I am in agreement that if you are 60+ to get the shot, I am talking about young and healthy people. Second, it clearly states "COVID Positive" not that they are hospitalized due to COVID

 

[GTACSA]

Isn't the data I asked for. There is no breakdown by age. I am in agreement that if you are 60+ to get the shot, I am talking about young and healthy people. Second, it clearly states "COVID Positive" not that they are hospitalized due to COVID

I asked you to describe the mechanism by which mRNA could cause long term issues; or provide a link which describes it. I haven't seen your reply,

I did find this link which you might be interested in.

How long do mRNA and spike proteins last in the body?

Here we break down the data to show where mRNA vaccines (and spike proteins) travel in the body. There is no evidence that any mRNA or protein accumulates in any organ.

www.nebraskamed.com

 

[LaJollaLion]

A wise man once told me statistics lie and liars love statistics. Here’s the example he gave me. Murder rates go up every summer. Ice cream sales increase in summer too. Therefore we can deduce that ice cream causes people to commit murders. The CDC, pro vaccination, anti vaccination, media, governments, and politicians have been playing this game for 2 years. Everyone is cherry picking thru data or not collecting data to fit their agenda.

Not really anymore. We know who is clogging up the hospitals, but some still need to tow silly lines. Even those who got it still argue against it. We are living in Idiocrisy, it turns out it was a prophecy.

 

[tgar]

Isn't the data I asked for. There is no breakdown by age. I am in agreement that if you are 60+ to get the shot, I am talking about young and healthy people. Second, it clearly states "COVID Positive" not that they are hospitalized due to COVID

Again, unfortunately the breakdowns of info only provide so much detail, the rest I pick up through conversations and reading. Not scientific I realize and certainly gives you room to refute, no problem. That 56 year old neighbor of mine who recently spent her last 12 hours being transported to another facility to go on a heart lung machine would wish she had a second chance for certain.

Stick with your stance, it serves you well.

 

[Obliviax]

I asked you to describe the mechanism by which mRNA could cause long term issues; or provide a link which describes it. I haven't seen your reply,

I did find this link which you might be interested in.

How long do mRNA and spike proteins last in the body?

Here we break down the data to show where mRNA vaccines (and spike proteins) travel in the body. There is no evidence that any mRNA or protein accumulates in any organ.

www.nebraskamed.com

I don't know. Don't pretend to. But I've read a lot of articles from people that do and they are concerned about the long-term effects. One example is that several feel that the mutations may have contributed to the speed and strength of the mutations. Other studies have been funded to understand why it changes women's menstrual cycles. There is still a lot we don't know. Anyone who suggests otherwise is lying. Dr. Malone, one of the inventors of mRNA, has published a lot of skeptical articles.

My philosophy is nothing goes into this body that isn't needed or provides great entertainment (chips, soda, etc.)

There is just no way we should be vaccinating young kids...moronic.

 

[Obliviax]

Again, unfortunately the breakdowns of info only provide so much detail, the rest I pick up through conversations and reading. Not scientific I realize and certainly gives you room to refute, no problem. That 56 year old neighbor of mine who recently spent her last 12 hours being transported to another facility to go on a heart lung machine would wish she had a second chance for certain.

Stick with your stance, it serves you well.

56? I have no idea why I can't seem to articulate or you can't understand it but the risk factors for someone 56 is far different than someone 6 or 16 or 26. Check the stats.

 

[tgar]

56? I have no idea why I can't seem to articulate or you can't understand it but the risk factors for someone 56 is far different than someone 6 or 16 or 26. Check the stats.

Ummmmm, in your last post you said 60+, a post before that it was contrasting a 5 YO to a 70 YO .

you sure like to move the goal posts.

 

[Obliviax]

Ummmmm, in your last post you said 60+, a post before that it was contrasting a 5 YO to a 70 YO .

you sure like to move the goal posts.

nope.....I was using an example.

Again, I am sorry if this is too difficult of a concept. It is a sliding scale where age seems to be the highest factor. If you are 18 and healthy, don't do it. If you are 40, overweight, diabetic and a smoker you should get it. If you are 12 and have sickle cell, if you are 80 and have COPD...whatever.

Each person's risk profile is different. Why is that so hard to understand?

I don't have a high risk of river worm or malaria...I don't take medicines for them. I am 16 and the picture of health, why get an untested jab?

 

[GTACSA]

I don't know. Don't pretend to. But I've read a lot of articles from people that do and they are concerned about the long-term effects. One example is that several feel that the mutations may have contributed to the speed and strength of the mutations. Other studies have been funded to understand why it changes women's menstrual cycles. There is still a lot we don't know. Anyone who suggests otherwise is lying. Dr. Malone, one of the inventors of mRNA, has published a lot of skeptical articles.

My philosophy is nothing goes into this body that isn't needed or provides great entertainment (chips, soda, etc.)

There is just no way we should be vaccinating young kids...moronic.

I agree with you that there may be a lot we don't know and only time will tell. However, isn't that true with a lot of advances; cell phones and now electric cars. You may recall that cell phones were thought to damage the brain and today we don't know the long term effects of sitting in a car with a large battery placed under the floor inside a car's chassis over a period of 20 plus years.

That's why I was interested in the mechanism for harm to humans, considering that mRNA degrades in a few days and the spike proteins generated by the vaccine are thought to last only a few weeks according to the Nebraska Medicine article.

Thanks for your response.

 

[The Spin Meister]

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Well, at least that is a start to transparency and honesty. Maybe if they had been honest all along they would more credibility and people would follow their advise and recommendations.

Now they should take it a step further and add in ICU data.....same division of data between ‘with’ and ‘because of’ in IVUs. Then should also add additional data points covering how many are in the hospital ‘for Covid after having had a previous case of Covid’ and do the same with ICU patients. Then we could have some good data on natural immunity.....a subject they avoid like the plaque.

 

[The Spin Meister]

I am curious. When the local health care facility, in this case MNHC, is overwhelmed for well over a year and the message is spread throughout the community repeatedly that they could use help from the local population by getting vaccinated and reducing the stress on the system everyone relies on goes unheeded, what should the course of action be?

You mention a contrast of 5 YO and 70 YO. The reality locally is many 30, 40, 50, and 60 YOs are filling the facility with Covid illness due in part to the fact that none of them are vaxxed. This affects the local population, my own wellness visit scheduled for the 25th has been pushed to the end of February for the time being because my Primary physician has once again been reassigned to the Covid ward. I am a paying customer. All of these folks have had a year to get with the program, they don’t but when shit hits the fan they find medical jesus and will show up at the ER demanding care.

From a “ risk tolerance “ standpoint, everyone of them could have been vaxxed which would have helped to support community health initiatives. They didn’t and as a result they continue to fill the ER and hospital significantly affecting level of care and availability of care for many others.

Should these mouth breathing flat earth fat slobs be denied care? I say sure, why not. Their risk tolerance calculation was they will survive and don’t need the jab. ( I don’t really care about all of their whacked out conspiracy bullshit, it’s laughable ) Send they home with a get well card.

Where do you stand on this? It’s the unvaxxed ( again, many in the 30 to 60 YO age range ) that are to a certain extent overwhelming the local hospitals including Geisinger in Lewistown.

Hopefully the latest variant takes care of the problem but if that doesn’t happen what is reasonable?

Your anecdotal evidence is based at small town/rural hospitals. How about you take a look at hospitals in large cities.

Americans of African descent are the lowest percentage vaccinated of all groups, right around fifty percent. So they made their choice. Should they show up at the ER in a life threatening situation ......the hell with them, just send them home with a get well card.....right? Thinning the herd, right?

 

[tgar]

nope.....I was using an example.

Again, I am sorry if this is too difficult of a concept. It is a sliding scale where age seems to be the highest factor. If you are 18 and healthy, don't do it. If you are 40, overweight, diabetic and a smoker you should get it. If you are 12 and have sickle cell, if you are 80 and have COPD...whatever.

Each person's risk profile is different. Why is that so hard to understand?

I don't have a high risk of river worm or malaria...I don't take medicines for them. I am 16 and the picture of health, why get an untested jab?

Ummmm, maybe so you can be around your 75 year old grandmother who has been great to you your entire life, has some health issues, and needs those around her healthy. An 18 year old does it to provide Some insurance she wouldn’t catch the virus from you. Yes, Omicron may make all this mute, but living in a college town where we all cross paths every day, having a vaccinated population including students, with Delta was a benefit for everyone.

 

[tgar]

Your anecdotal evidence is based at small town/rural hospitals. How about you take a look at hospitals in large cities.

Americans of African descent are the lowest percentage vaccinated of all groups, right around fifty percent. So they made their choice. Should they show up at the ER in a life threatening situation ......the hell with them, just send them home with a get well card.....right? Thinning the herd, right?

Why not, everyone has plenty of time to understand the risks of not being vaccinated with this virus.

 

[Obliviax]

Ummmm, maybe so you can be around your 75 year old grandmother who has been great to you your entire life, has some health issues, and needs those around her healthy. An 18 year old does it to provide Some insurance she wouldn’t catch the virus from you. Yes, Omicron may make all this mute, but living in a college town where we all cross paths every day, having a vaccinated population including students, with Delta was a benefit for everyone.

LOL. You can be sick, not even know it, and give it to grandma. Perhaps you haven’t paid attention but the vaxxed are getting sick in droves. Hoda and Whoopi just this week

 

[tgar]

LOL. You can be sick, not even know it, and give it to grandma. Perhaps you haven’t paid attention but the vaxxed are getting sick in droves. Hoda and Whoopi just this week

Ummmm, I mentioned that regarding Omicron. For the past several months when Delta was dominant different story. But there you go again using a snap shot in time as reality for the duration of the pandemic.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Why not, everyone has plenty of time to understand the risks of not being vaccinated with this virus.

Well then, let’s quit using Narcan to save dope heads. They knew the risks. They have been told so for decades. They have see friends OD. Many have had Narcan save their lives several times. If anyone understands the dangers of heroin and fentanyl its them.