OT: USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates

[Cletus11]

WOW...This on MSN with the new CDC goal of forgetting herd immunity.....


"Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, Jones noted. Recent evidence has also made clear that the immunity provided by vaccines can wane in a matter of months.

The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread."

Bottom line....those who have little to no risk of being severly sick never needed vaccinated!!!!! God I hate being right!

MSN

so why mandate to get vaccinated if they admit that the vaccine does not prevent transmission. that makes zero medical or scientific sense. so they are saying that now the vaccine protects the person who gets the vaccine from serious illness most of the time and has limited effectiveness of 'preventing' covid. So the vaccine is now is almost purely about self protection thereby no reason to force the vaccine on everybody to reach herd immunity as they say herd immunity now most likely is not achievable. and that vaccine effectiveness is waning over time, again another HUGE admission which is not good for humanity as it is impossible to re-vaccinate the entire population on an every 6 month or yearly basis.

So we are essentially back to where we started. Vaccinate the vulnerable (and people who want to get them) and that will require boosters on an every 6-12 month basis. And the rest of the population just had to fight off Covid like they do the flu. So essentially they are admitting Covid is the flu, will be here in perpetuity and need to figure out how to protect yourself.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

Regardless it resulted in more federal income. Corporations simply pass on their tax burden to their consumers. It is hard for me to believe that people don’t understand that. In addition, larger corporations negotiate down there tax burden to stay in certain locations. It’s a no-win situation. If the tax burden gets too large that they simply go offshore

The notion that corporate tax burden gets passed through to consumers is a myth. Pricing is set by the market not the cost of operations and certainly not relative profitability. Did the 2017 corporate tax cuts lead to drop in prices for consumers? No. It led to record stock buybacks. The burden of corporate taxes fall primarily on the holders of capital - executives and shareholders.

Corporate tax revenues make up just 7% of total federal revenues. In the 1950s and 60s corporation tax revenues made up 30% of federal revenues. Large corporations have spent the past 50 years paying politicians (both parties) to shift the tax burden to employees and small businesses - and we wonder why the middle class is decimated and executive pay is at an all time high.

And if large corporations don’t want to pay taxes here - fine - we should deny them access to our market. We are the #1 consumer market by a mile but don’t have the balls to demand a fair deal.

 

[lionville]

The notion that corporate tax burden gets passed through to consumers is a myth. Pricing is set by the market not the cost of operations and certainly not relative profitability. Did the 2017 corporate tax cuts lead to drop in prices for consumers? No. It led to record stock buybacks. The burden of corporate taxes fall primarily on the holders of capital - executives and shareholders.

Corporate tax revenues make up just 7% of total federal revenues. In the 1950s and 60s corporation tax revenues made up 30% of federal revenues. Large corporations have spent the past 50 years paying politicians (both parties) to shift the tax burden to employees and small businesses - and we wonder why the middle class is decimated and executive pay is at an all time high.

And if large corporations don’t want to pay taxes here - fine - we should deny them access to our market. We are the #1 consumer market by a mile but don’t have the balls to demand a fair deal.

Is the population number the same today as it was in the 1950’s and 1960’s? Just curious.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

Is the population number the same today as it was in the 1950’s and 1960’s? Just curious.

Did you eat paint chips as a child?

 

[WPTLION]

PA updated their dashboard already today. Unless its a data glitch, PA has a case increase of 21K today, About 5K of that is probables.

 

[JoeP]

this thread is for daily updates on vaccinations given per day in the USA, and discussion about that.

I'm separating this out from the COVID-19 Testing & Treatment thread that's been on the board for most of the pandemic in the hope that thread can continue to focus on COVID-19 testing & treatment, and this thread can focus on COVID-19 vaccinations in the USA.

And while this seems to be a challenge for some of you when discussing this subject, please do not bring politics into this thread.

Tom if you would like to discuss please try and report on factual into thjat we can all understand. W=IMO wjat we hear in the medis is generally skewed or political. I live in a border syaye where much of the medoa covragw is hidden deom the Pub;ic/ Last year we jeard about the number of covid deaths and the number of cases each day. Also b y age. We do not hear that anymore. It is one thing to say the number of covid cases are up which is understandable since many more folks are being tested. However my understanding is that many people are no longer dying from covid as before. Hospitals better understand how to treat it. Covid numbers rose in Border States as a result of the Government no longer testing people as they came in to the USA. Crazy. Be nice to know how old are the people coming down wit covid. In the past this data was provided, How many people got covis after being vaccinated? Be interesting to know. How many people are dying who have underlying conditions, provided previously bot not now. Anyway one guy's opimion

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Vaccine mandate relevant info.

Readers of this thread, and the test board thread knew this months ago.

Test Board Covid Thread

 

[WPTLION]

Vaccine mandate relevant info.

Readers of this thread, and the test board thread knew this months ago.

Test Board Covid Thread

This is the very data the UK has been putting out for months and kept trying to deflect. And some posters in this thread tried to deny. Don't you hate when Data proves you've been lied to

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Do we really need this thread anymore?

Yes, it's a great thread.

You don't need to open it, of course.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Here's Thomas Massie (the only really smart guy in government) explaining the theory I've been explaining for a month or so - high vaccination rates drag out the pandemic because the vaccine unfortunately doesn't help that much with decreasing transmission rates.

Note that this does NOT mean that the old and vulnerable should not be vaccinated. But it probably goes a long way against vaccinating young and healthy.

MIT Master's Engineering

For those who don't get twitter links:

Florida is much lower case rate than Vermont, although Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country.

Florida has a huge natural immunity number (we could expect that Fla is north of 40% now), while Vermont barely has any (via seroprevalence tests).

Now, I don't think that's the whole story, but Massie is pretty smart.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

Here's Thomas Massie (the only really smart guy in government) explaining the theory I've been explaining for a month or so - high vaccination rates drag out the pandemic because the vaccine unfortunately doesn't help that much with decreasing transmission rates.

Note that this does NOT mean that the old and vulnerable should not be vaccinated. But it probably goes a long way against vaccinating young and healthy.

MIT Master's Engineering

For those who don't get twitter links:

Florida is much lower case rate than Vermont, although Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country.

Florida has a huge natural immunity number (we could expect that Fla is north of 40% now), while Vermont barely has any (via seroprevalence tests).

Now, I don't think that's the whole story, but Massie is pretty smart.

And yet Florida’s per capita death rate is still higher than Vermont’s. The vaccines are working in the sense that they greatly reduce hospitalizations and deaths. The vaccines also reduced the spread in earlier variants, but delta is more contagious. It’s not that hard.

States ranked by COVID-19 death rates

As of October 29, more than 743,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

 

[WPTLION]

And yet Florida’s per capita death rate is still higher than Vermont’s. The vaccines are working in the sense that they greatly reduce hospitalizations and deaths. The vaccines also reduced the spread in earlier variants, but delta is more contagious. It’s not that hard.

States ranked by COVID-19 death rates

As of October 29, more than 743,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

So the vaccine cut down the spread of earlier varients before anyone took the vaccines? Wow, its really not that hard! We were already on the downward trend when vaccines started coming out. It was the middle of March before 10% of the state was ever vaccinated. And of course Floirda has a Higher per capita death rate...it's not that hard to figure out why. 28.9% of Floridas population is over 60 while only 16.2% of Vermonts is. Nice try

 

[Cletus11]

So CDC did not update the vaccine or hospital numbers when I logged on this morning, first time I can say I have seen that happen in a while. So new numbers on vaccines or hospitalizations. And many states did not report daily positives and fatalities either so those numbers are very low. Must be a veteran day thing.

1.22M shots yesterday so total up to 434.4M.

So far, 224.6 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 194.3 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 26.0M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 67.7%; Fully vaccinated = 58.5%; Booster = 123.4% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.0%; Fully vaccinated = 68.5%; Booster = 14.4% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 80.9%; Fully vaccinated = 70.3%; Booster = 22.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 98.5%; Fully vaccinated = 85.8%; Booster = 32.4% as percent of fully vaccinated

43,596 positives reported yesterday compared to 90,377 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 70,413

Fatality was 539 reported yesterday compared to 1,349 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 982

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 39,852 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 38,570 compared to one week ago 42,552 DOWN 6.3%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,111 compared yesterday 7-day average of 4,743 compared to one week ago 5,121 DOWN 0.2%.

1.5M shots yesterday so total up to 440.5M.

So far, 226.6 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.1 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 29.3M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.3%; Fully vaccinated = 58.8%; Booster = 15.0% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.4%; Fully vaccinated = 68.8%; Booster = 16.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.3%; Fully vaccinated = 70.5%; Booster = 24.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.1%; Fully vaccinated = 86.0%; Booster = 35.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

24,193 positives reported yesterday compared to 57,802 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 68,700

Fatality was 126 reported yesterday compared to 453 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 927

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 38,845 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 39,647 compared to one week ago 40,989 DOWN 5.2%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,094 compared yesterday 7-day average of 4,743 compared to one week ago 5,048 UP 0.9%.

 

[WPTLION]

1.5M shots yesterday so total up to 440.5M.

So far, 226.6 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.1 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 29.3M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.3%; Fully vaccinated = 58.8%; Booster = 15.0% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.4%; Fully vaccinated = 68.8%; Booster = 16.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.3%; Fully vaccinated = 70.5%; Booster = 24.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.1%; Fully vaccinated = 86.0%; Booster = 35.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

24,193 positives reported yesterday compared to 57,802 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 68,700

Fatality was 126 reported yesterday compared to 453 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 927

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 38,845 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 39,647 compared to one week ago 40,989 DOWN 5.2%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,094 compared yesterday 7-day average of 4,743 compared to one week ago 5,048 UP 0.9%.

BTW PA's Dashboard still shows that 21K jump in cases from Friday to Saturday. Will be interesting to see what they claim the weekend numbers were.

 

[franklinman]

The VA is giving the 3rd shot to vets last week and this week in Pa. They have the choice from 2 vaccines.

 

[joeaubie21]

Drs are reporting the virus will never go totally away. Also, reinfections will be reported along with new cases

 

[PSUEngineer89]

More games with words - a specialty of the midwit. This from the CDC, per Thomas Massie.

In other words, when they find out that the data doesn't support the narrative, they change the meaning of words so that the narrative still stands.

Good strategy, eh Comrade?

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Vermont - through the roof.

 

[SLUPSU]

Vermont - through the roof.

Here are the Texas numbers again as a reminder and for some context when you post trivial numbers from Vermont.

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/Cases-and-Deaths-by-Vaccination-Status-11082021.pdf

 

[WPTLION]

Here are the Texas numbers again as a reminder and for some context when you post trivial numbers from Vermont.

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/Cases-and-Deaths-by-Vaccination-Status-11082021.pdf

They aren't trivial...the most vaxxed state is having a huge spike. It's not hard to figure out that the vax has stopped working.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

They aren't trivial...the most vaxxed state is having a huge spike. It's not hard to figure out that the vax has stopped working.

It points out more how the vax isn't working to stop transmission, but rather only slowing it.

The vax still works in a number of ways, as noted elsewhere.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Here are the Texas numbers again as a reminder and for some context when you post trivial numbers from Vermont.

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/Cases-and-Deaths-by-Vaccination-Status-11082021.pdf

Nothing wrong with posting the Texas numbers. They're really not that interesting, as the prove/support no theory.

But Vermont's numbers do support the theory that the virus will spread regardless of the vaxx percentage.

 

[Cletus11]

1.5M shots yesterday so total up to 440.5M.

So far, 226.6 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.1 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 29.3M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.3%; Fully vaccinated = 58.8%; Booster = 15.0% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.4%; Fully vaccinated = 68.8%; Booster = 16.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.3%; Fully vaccinated = 70.5%; Booster = 24.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.1%; Fully vaccinated = 86.0%; Booster = 35.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

24,193 positives reported yesterday compared to 57,802 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 68,700

Fatality was 126 reported yesterday compared to 453 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 927

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 38,845 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 39,647 compared to one week ago 40,989 DOWN 5.2%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,094 compared yesterday 7-day average of 4,743 compared to one week ago 5,048 UP 0.9%.

1.5M shots yesterday so total up to 442.0M.

So far, 227.1 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.1 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 29.3M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.4%; Fully vaccinated = 58.8%; Booster = 15.4% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.5%; Fully vaccinated = 68.8%; Booster = 16.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.4%; Fully vaccinated = 70.6%; Booster = 25.0% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.2%; Fully vaccinated = 86.1%; Booster = 36.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

70,823 positives reported yesterday compared to 59,358 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 82,677

Fatality was 467 reported yesterday compared to 699 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 975

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 38,332 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 38,845 compared to one week ago 40,676 DOWN 5.8%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,067 compared yesterday 7-day average of 5,094 compared to one week ago 5,036 UP 0.6%.

 

[WPTLION]

1.5M shots yesterday so total up to 442.0M.

So far, 227.1 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.1 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 29.3M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.4%; Fully vaccinated = 58.8%; Booster = 15.4% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.5%; Fully vaccinated = 68.8%; Booster = 16.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.4%; Fully vaccinated = 70.6%; Booster = 25.0% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.2%; Fully vaccinated = 86.1%; Booster = 36.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

70,823 positives reported yesterday compared to 59,358 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 82,677

Fatality was 467 reported yesterday compared to 699 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 975

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 38,332 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 38,845 compared to one week ago 40,676 DOWN 5.8%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,067 compared yesterday 7-day average of 5,094 compared to one week ago 5,036 UP 0.6%.

Found out why there was a huge increase in PA from Friday to Saturday..."The 15,414 reinfection cases are being included, because the national case definition was revised in 2021 and is being implemented in Pennsylvania this month. Under the new national definition, an individual who tests positive more than once at least 90 days apart would be counted more than once. Before the national definition update, Pennsylvania and Philadelphia were reporting positive individuals only once. Reinfection cases for Philadelphia County were reported on Wednesday, Nov. 10." so thats a positive test 90 days apart. Is there any proof that either test was accurate? It also doesn't explain the large increase in probables.

 

[Obliviax]

Found out why there was a huge increase in PA from Friday to Saturday..."The 15,414 reinfection cases are being included, because the national case definition was revised in 2021 and is being implemented in Pennsylvania this month. Under the new national definition, an individual who tests positive more than once at least 90 days apart would be counted more than once. Before the national definition update, Pennsylvania and Philadelphia were reporting positive individuals only once. Reinfection cases for Philadelphia County were reported on Wednesday, Nov. 10." so thats a positive test 90 days apart. Is there any proof that either test was accurate? It also doesn't explain the large increase in probables.

makes sense. seems they are doing this to track re-infections.

The bottom line is that the serums "lowered the curve" while apparently providing assistance to lower the severity of infections.

All of this leads me back to the conclusion that I reached almost a year ago: we can bend this thing but we can't stop it. It is now a new reality that will fade over time.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

1.5M shots yesterday so total up to 442.0M.

So far, 227.1 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.1 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 29.3M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.4%; Fully vaccinated = 58.8%; Booster = 15.4% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.5%; Fully vaccinated = 68.8%; Booster = 16.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.4%; Fully vaccinated = 70.6%; Booster = 25.0% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.2%; Fully vaccinated = 86.1%; Booster = 36.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

70,823 positives reported yesterday compared to 59,358 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 82,677

Fatality was 467 reported yesterday compared to 699 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 975

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 38,332 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 38,845 compared to one week ago 40,676 DOWN 5.8%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,067 compared yesterday 7-day average of 5,094 compared to one week ago 5,036 UP 0.6%.

Good work, Cletus.

It will be interesting to see how the "northern surge" plays out - steady for a long time, like the UK, or fast up and down, like Florida.

 

[Cletus11]

Sort of came up with a theory about Covid after talking to different people last week and this weekend about an endpoint. And basically I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of people that basically do NOT want Covid to end for a variety of reasons. Those reasons vary and I think the main groups are below:

1. People who work for some government agencies that Covid has allowed work from home and just in general and much lower amount of work load expected and hours worked. So basically living a much easier life now then before.

2. People who work in private industry and now are allowed work from home and love it and fear that if Covid ends they will have to go back to the office and therefore the current state although annoying for their personal lives is trumped by the fact their work life at home is so much better. Typically this people do not have kids in school such that the large disruptions in general life effect them very much. So either married people with no kids or people whose kids are 20 years old plus.

3. Hypochondriacs. The group of people out there that just fear Covid and think that they are going to die if they get it (and not talking about sick people). There is a subset of generally healthy people out there that are still deathly afraid of Covid and think that masking and continued lockdowns are the only way to move forward. I think this subsection is larger than many people actually think.

4. The people currently "working the system" through extended unemployment and extended medical leave absence that they can claim due to Covid. So basically they can not work and still collect a healthy paycheck.

5. Politicians and bureaucrats like we have talked that have some extreme power and control right now.

6. People who politically are on the far left and basically see Covid as a way to effect social change through these monumental spending bills and see Covid as a way to push towards more of a socialist/marxist society.

7. Some percentage of older people and people with co-morbidity issues that Covid is a serious thing and want continued vigilance due to their own personal healthy related issues.

8. Some percentage of the general population that just basically do what they are told. So when they here on CNN or Biden say that they need to stay lock downed and where masks, etc...they don't question it, they just say OK and do what they are told.


And the issue is that if you add up all the people in the above groups (and I am sure there are a few more smaller groups that I am missing) it is a large percentage of the population.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Sort of came up with a theory about Covid after talking to different people last week and this weekend about an endpoint. And basically I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of people that basically do NOT want Covid to end for a variety of reasons. Those reasons vary and I think the main groups are below:

1. People who work for some government agencies that Covid has allowed work from home and just in general and much lower amount of work load expected and hours worked. So basically living a much easier life now then before.

2. People who work in private industry and now are allowed work from home and love it and fear that if Covid ends they will have to go back to the office and therefore the current state although annoying for their personal lives is trumped by the fact their work life at home is so much better. Typically this people do not have kids in school such that the large disruptions in general life effect them very much. So either married people with no kids or people whose kids are 20 years old plus.

3. Hypochondriacs. The group of people out there that just fear Covid and think that they are going to die if they get it (and not talking about sick people). There is a subset of generally healthy people out there that are still deathly afraid of Covid and think that masking and continued lockdowns are the only way to move forward. I think this subsection is larger than many people actually think.

4. The people currently "working the system" through extended unemployment and extended medical leave absence that they can claim due to Covid. So basically they can not work and still collect a healthy paycheck.

5. Politicians and bureaucrats like we have talked that have some extreme power and control right now.

6. People who politically are on the far left and basically see Covid as a way to effect social change through these monumental spending bills and see Covid as a way to push towards more of a socialist/marxist society.

7. Some percentage of older people and people with co-morbidity issues that Covid is a serious thing and want continued vigilance due to their own personal healthy related issues.

8. Some percentage of the general population that just basically do what they are told. So when they here on CNN or Biden say that they need to stay lock downed and where masks, etc...they don't question it, they just say OK and do what they are told.


And the issue is that if you add up all the people in the above groups (and I am sure there are a few more smaller groups that I am missing) it is a large percentage of the population.

Beautifully put. Perfect.

 

[LaJollaLion]

 

[PSUEngineer89]

UK Cases vs Pennsylvania cases. Very similar profile. A mile from Florida.

I need to go back in and divide by population, but that requires some work...

 

[WPTLION]

Sort of came up with a theory about Covid after talking to different people last week and this weekend about an endpoint. And basically I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of people that basically do NOT want Covid to end for a variety of reasons. Those reasons vary and I think the main groups are below:

1. People who work for some government agencies that Covid has allowed work from home and just in general and much lower amount of work load expected and hours worked. So basically living a much easier life now then before.

2. People who work in private industry and now are allowed work from home and love it and fear that if Covid ends they will have to go back to the office and therefore the current state although annoying for their personal lives is trumped by the fact their work life at home is so much better. Typically this people do not have kids in school such that the large disruptions in general life effect them very much. So either married people with no kids or people whose kids are 20 years old plus.

3. Hypochondriacs. The group of people out there that just fear Covid and think that they are going to die if they get it (and not talking about sick people). There is a subset of generally healthy people out there that are still deathly afraid of Covid and think that masking and continued lockdowns are the only way to move forward. I think this subsection is larger than many people actually think.

4. The people currently "working the system" through extended unemployment and extended medical leave absence that they can claim due to Covid. So basically they can not work and still collect a healthy paycheck.

5. Politicians and bureaucrats like we have talked that have some extreme power and control right now.

6. People who politically are on the far left and basically see Covid as a way to effect social change through these monumental spending bills and see Covid as a way to push towards more of a socialist/marxist society.

7. Some percentage of older people and people with co-morbidity issues that Covid is a serious thing and want continued vigilance due to their own personal healthy related issues.

8. Some percentage of the general population that just basically do what they are told. So when they here on CNN or Biden say that they need to stay lock downed and where masks, etc...they don't question it, they just say OK and do what they are told.


And the issue is that if you add up all the people in the above groups (and I am sure there are a few more smaller groups that I am missing) it is a large percentage of the population.

#1/#2 I have family members in both and I'm not sure they do much of anything. And its so unsafe for them to go back to the office but they are fine traveling the world. A teacher friend is paranoid that other teachers aren't wearing masks, yet goes to the bar all the time.

#3 Hypochondriacs---this has given them cover to their issue and not make them seem weird.

#4 Students are working the system to--I had a girl on my JH BB team not get tested so she could miss 3 more days of school because of close contact. But she will miss another game now.

 

[WPTLION]

UK Cases vs Pennsylvania cases. Very similar profile. A mile from Florida.

I need to go back in and divide by population, but that requires some work...

One thing to note between PA and FL is that they've been with in 1 or 2 percentage points for months of fully vaccinated population.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

UK Cases vs Pennsylvania cases. Very similar profile. A mile from Florida.

I need to go back in and divide by population, but that requires some work...

Now go back and post this data for hospitalizations and deaths per capita.

 

[Cletus11]

#1/#2 I have family members in both and I'm not sure they do much of anything. And its so unsafe for them to go back to the office but they are fine traveling the world. A teacher friend is paranoid that other teachers aren't wearing masks, yet goes to the bar all the time.

#3 Hypochondriacs---this has given them cover to their issue and not make them seem weird.

#4 Students are working the system to--I had a girl on my JH BB team not get tested so she could miss 3 more days of school because of close contact. But she will miss another game now.

yeah, talking to a doctor who lives down the street when saw him walking his dog. said he saw a truck driver patient today that had Covid in late September. Standard Covid like flu symptoms, felt bad for about 48 hours and improved after that. Was still out on medical leave in the second week of November 6 weeks later. Doctor asked him why he was not back to work as he was no longer sick and hadn't been for weeks. Truck driver said that his contract states he can take a paid medical leave so he is taking the max.

 

[WPTLION]

yeah, talking to a doctor who lives down the street when saw him walking his dog. said he saw a truck driver patient today that had Covid in late September. Standard Covid like flu symptoms, felt bad for about 48 hours and improved after that. Was still out on medical leave in the second week of November 6 weeks later. Doctor asked him why he was not back to work as he was no longer sick and hadn't been for weeks. Truck driver said that his contract states he can take a paid medical leave so he is taking the max.

Had a new guy start yesterday....lost taste last night. Waiting for test results. I know extra unemployment is gone but what to people get if they have Covid? I'm just skeptical at this point. The only 2 cases we've officially had at work both were here a day and got it. The first guy never came back. We will see about this one.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Now go back and post this data for hospitalizations and deaths per capita.

Are you injured? Unable to search?

What do you think we'll find? Something earth shattering?

The point of the post is not to evaluate vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization and death. Other posts have put those numbers down with some reasonable accuracy.

This post is to compare the effect of natural immunity to vaccine induced immunity in preventing the spread. Florida, having had a huge spike, has some pretty good natural immunity. Vermont, which has not had any huge spike, is experiencing the same drawn out pattern as the UK.

It is, of course, not definitive in any way.

Sheesh.

 

[roswelllion]

Sort of came up with a theory about Covid after talking to different people last week and this weekend about an endpoint. And basically I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of people that basically do NOT want Covid to end for a variety of reasons. Those reasons vary and I think the main groups are below:

1. People who work for some government agencies that Covid has allowed work from home and just in general and much lower amount of work load expected and hours worked. So basically living a much easier life now then before.

2. People who work in private industry and now are allowed work from home and love it and fear that if Covid ends they will have to go back to the office and therefore the current state although annoying for their personal lives is trumped by the fact their work life at home is so much better. Typically this people do not have kids in school such that the large disruptions in general life effect them very much. So either married people with no kids or people whose kids are 20 years old plus.

3. Hypochondriacs. The group of people out there that just fear Covid and think that they are going to die if they get it (and not talking about sick people). There is a subset of generally healthy people out there that are still deathly afraid of Covid and think that masking and continued lockdowns are the only way to move forward. I think this subsection is larger than many people actually think.

4. The people currently "working the system" through extended unemployment and extended medical leave absence that they can claim due to Covid. So basically they can not work and still collect a healthy paycheck.

5. Politicians and bureaucrats like we have talked that have some extreme power and control right now.

6. People who politically are on the far left and basically see Covid as a way to effect social change through these monumental spending bills and see Covid as a way to push towards more of a socialist/marxist society.

7. Some percentage of older people and people with co-morbidity issues that Covid is a serious thing and want continued vigilance due to their own personal healthy related issues.

8. Some percentage of the general population that just basically do what they are told. So when they here on CNN or Biden say that they need to stay lock downed and where masks, etc...they don't question it, they just say OK and do what they are told.


And the issue is that if you add up all the people in the above groups (and I am sure there are a few more smaller groups that I am missing) it is a large percentage of the population.

Well done Cletus. So I applied my own guesstimates to the groups listed above and subtracted that number from the general population and came up 157 people who are ready for this to end give or take 4 people.

 

[SLUPSU]

Are you injured? Unable to search?

What do you think we'll find? Something earth shattering?

The point of the post is not to evaluate vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization and death. Other posts have put those numbers down with some reasonable accuracy.

This post is to compare the effect of natural immunity to vaccine induced immunity in preventing the spread. Florida, having had a huge spike, has some pretty good natural immunity. Vermont, which has not had any huge spike, is experiencing the same drawn out pattern as the UK.

It is, of course, not definitive in any way.

Sheesh.

FL clearly had many more cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per capita during its delta surge in 3 months compared to PA has had so far in four months. Did FL do anything different and/or intentional since July to create a more intense but shorter spike? We know all the percentages with vaccine effectiveness with respect to cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, then you conclude with "not definitive in any way," I'm not sure where are you going with this.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

FL clearly had many more cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per capita during its delta surge in 3 months compared to PA has had so far in four months. Did FL do anything different and/or intentional since July to create a more intense but shorter spike? We know all the percentages with vaccine effectiveness with respect to cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, then you conclude with "not definitive in any way," I'm not sure where are you going with this.

Only looking to see if the data is consistent with the theory, "High rates of vaccination drag out the pandemic."

Not sure there's enough difference between the states to really matter enough.

 

[WPTLION]

FL clearly had many more cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per capita during its delta surge in 3 months compared to PA has had so far in four months. Did FL do anything different and/or intentional since July to create a more intense but shorter spike? We know all the percentages with vaccine effectiveness with respect to cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, then you conclude with "not definitive in any way," I'm not sure where are you going with this.

What we will need to see is when the PA surge ends. really delta did really start taking hold in PA until August so about 3.5 months. Meanwhile in Florida it reall took off the 2 week of July and was down by October 1st. So just under 3 months. Since August PA has been about 1 cs pr 31 people....Florida was 1 in 17....PA however doesn't appear to be dropping so are we going to be more like the UK which would mean at least 2 more months and by that point everything would more then likely even out. Of course in two months could Florida be on to a new spike? Is there anywhere else with a similar pattern to Floridas?