OT: USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates

[SLUPSU]

Only looking to see if the data is consistent with the theory, "High rates of vaccination drag out the pandemic."

Not sure there's enough difference between the states to really matter enough.

I would restate the theory as "Slow vaccination rates across the US dragged out the pandemic."

Or, how about the theory that if 95% of all people over 16 were vax'd by the beginning of June the pandemic might have flamed out by now?

 

[PSUEngineer89]

I would restate the theory as "Slow vaccination rates across the US dragged out the pandemic."

Or, how about the theory that if 95% of all people over 16 were vax'd by the beginning of June the pandemic might have flamed out by now?

So, if the first theory were true, what consequences would we expect to observe?

Would we not expect states and areas with high vaccination rates to have had the epidemic “peter out”?

England?

those are consequences that I’d expect to see if the theory were true.

travel certainly makes no difference, as all areas have lots of cases. We are really talking about vaccines being able to put R rate under 1.0

 

[SLUPSU]

It's been interesting. Just got back from a 5 day golf vacation to NC with 28 golfers. One guy got moderately ill and he was a doc. Upon return, he tested prior to returning to work. He was COVID positive and alerted the group. 4 more guys had cold to flu symptoms. Those four got tested and were COVID positive. Not everyone tested afterwards. So there could have been more positives. All 5 were vaccinated.
Vaccines are reducing hospitalizations and deaths. Don't know how much they are mitigating the spread. No secretory IgA after IM vaccinations. You can still get COVID, and transmit it.

There is a bunch of available data that proves that vaccines mitigate the spread. How much exactly is highly variable, the numbers range from 40 to 80% effective. The numbers are better with Moderna compared to Pfizer, and the MRNA's are better than JnJ. Moderna effectiveness seems to last longer also. UK numbers are impacted by reduced effectiveness from their mix of Pfizer and AstraZ vaccines. The variability also extends to different ages..... etc etc etc

 

[PSUEngineer89]

There is a bunch of available data that proves that vaccines mitigate the spread. How much exactly is highly variable, the numbers range from 40 to 80% effective. The numbers are better with Moderna compared to Pfizer, and the MRNA's are better than JnJ. Moderna effectiveness seems to last longer also. UK numbers are impacted by reduced effectiveness from their mix of Pfizer and AstraZ vaccines. The variability also extends to different ages..... etc etc etc

Yes, that's right. But by reducing R(t) to 3.0, instead of leaving it at 7.2, what will the impact be?

Yes, yes, I know I'm simplifying the math.

 

[RGWhirly]

Sort of came up with a theory about Covid after talking to different people last week and this weekend about an endpoint. And basically I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of people that basically do NOT want Covid to end for a variety of reasons. Those reasons vary and I think the main groups are below:

1. People who work for some government agencies that Covid has allowed work from home and just in general and much lower amount of work load expected and hours worked. So basically living a much easier life now then before.

2. People who work in private industry and now are allowed work from home and love it and fear that if Covid ends they will have to go back to the office and therefore the current state although annoying for their personal lives is trumped by the fact their work life at home is so much better. Typically this people do not have kids in school such that the large disruptions in general life effect them very much. So either married people with no kids or people whose kids are 20 years old plus.

3. Hypochondriacs. The group of people out there that just fear Covid and think that they are going to die if they get it (and not talking about sick people). There is a subset of generally healthy people out there that are still deathly afraid of Covid and think that masking and continued lockdowns are the only way to move forward. I think this subsection is larger than many people actually think.

4. The people currently "working the system" through extended unemployment and extended medical leave absence that they can claim due to Covid. So basically they can not work and still collect a healthy paycheck.

5. Politicians and bureaucrats like we have talked that have some extreme power and control right now.

6. People who politically are on the far left and basically see Covid as a way to effect social change through these monumental spending bills and see Covid as a way to push towards more of a socialist/marxist society.

7. Some percentage of older people and people with co-morbidity issues that Covid is a serious thing and want continued vigilance due to their own personal healthy related issues.

8. Some percentage of the general population that just basically do what they are told. So when they here on CNN or Biden say that they need to stay lock downed and where masks, etc...they don't question it, they just say OK and do what they are told.


And the issue is that if you add up all the people in the above groups (and I am sure there are a few more smaller groups that I am missing) it is a large percentage of the population.

Sadly, that is pretty spot on.

 

[SLUPSU]

Yes, that's right. But by reducing R(t) to 3.0, instead of leaving it at 7.2, what will the impact be?

Yes, yes, I know I'm simplifying the math.

Obviously not enough, but pandemic 101 says vaccinate a lot more people than we have been, including people at low risk. We all know how that's going.

 

[Cletus11]

There is a bunch of available data that proves that vaccines mitigate the spread. How much exactly is highly variable, the numbers range from 40 to 80% effective. The numbers are better with Moderna compared to Pfizer, and the MRNA's are better than JnJ. Moderna effectiveness seems to last longer also. UK numbers are impacted by reduced effectiveness from their mix of Pfizer and AstraZ vaccines. The variability also extends to different ages..... etc etc etc

the vaccine basically was 95% effective in stopping the original strain as seen by the numbers. but delta has shown to take that effectiveness way down in 'getting covid'. we don't really even know the effecitiveness anymore against hospitilazation. at one point is was 100% as they touted and they rightfully had the data to back it up. At this point, we have no idea was that effectiveness is against hospitilization we just know it is not 100%. As for the effectiviness against the delta variant in just 'getting covid' I would hazard that is in the 20-40% range, better than nothing but still very low. vaccine is still the best way to go (besides being healthy) to try and protect yourself against covid but the fact that telling we see ZERO discussion by admin in telling people to get healthy (eat better, exercise more, get rid of bad vices) goes to show me that this isn't all about medical science and ways to combat the virus. it is about forcing people to take the vaccine regardless. and the fact that natural antibodies (which can be tested for no different than a positive/negative covid test) are NOT equal to a vaccine again tells you this is not about medical science and 'stopping the spread'. Remember when the powers that be told us that natural antibodies due to previous covid were no good and you still had to get the vaccine. now we are seeing data that shows that previous infection and natural antibodies are probably much better against delta then vaccine antibodies. And that makes medical sense consider that the human immune system has been evolved over literally tens of thousands of years to due just that, not get fooled by mutating virus.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

the vaccine basically was 95% effective in stopping the original strain as seen by the numbers. but delta has shown to take that effectiveness way down in 'getting covid'. we don't really even know the effecitiveness anymore against hospitilazation. at one point is was 100% as they touted and they rightfully had the data to back it up. At this point, we have no idea was that effectiveness is against hospitilization we just know it is not 100%. As for the effectiviness against the delta variant in just 'getting covid' I would hazard that is in the 20-40% range, better than nothing but still very low. vaccine is still the best way to go (besides being healthy) to try and protect yourself against covid but the fact that telling we see ZERO discussion by admin in telling people to get healthy (eat better, exercise more, get rid of bad vices) goes to show me that this isn't all about medical science and ways to combat the virus. it is about forcing people to take the vaccine regardless. and the fact that natural antibodies (which can be tested for no different than a positive/negative covid test) are NOT equal to a vaccine again tells you this is not about medical science and 'stopping the spread'. Remember when the powers that be told us that natural antibodies due to previous covid were no good and you still had to get the vaccine. now we are seeing data that shows that previous infection and natural antibodies are probably much better against delta then vaccine antibodies. And that makes medical sense consider that the human immune system has been evolved over literally tens of thousands of years to due just that, not get fooled by mutating virus.

When they withheld monoclonal antibodies from Florida, that was the end of any honest attempt to pretend it was about science. It was all about making DeSantis look bad.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Obviously not enough, but pandemic 101 says vaccinate a lot more people than we have been, including people at low risk. We all know how that's going.

Well, I don't know. Vermont is really, really vaccinated, 72% fully vaccinated.

I think I've hit it exactly right - vaccination simply drags it out. Everyone's going to get Covid (well, not everyone, but almost everyone).

So, we are really arguing about whether your vaccinated grandmother is going to get Covid in December (72% vaccinated population, R(t) = 4.3) or late January (100% vaccinated population, R(t) = 2.9).

So, it is really, really tough to be accepting of anything but a political motive for mandates.

Note: R(t) values made up to illustrate the point.

 

[SLUPSU]

Well, I don't know. Vermont is really, really vaccinated, 72% fully vaccinated.

I think I've hit it exactly right - vaccination simply drags it out. Everyone's going to get Covid (well, not everyone, but almost everyone).

So, we are really arguing about whether your vaccinated grandmother is going to get Covid in December (72% vaccinated population, R(t) = 4.3) or late January (100% vaccinated population, R(t) = 2.9).

So, it is really, really tough to be accepting of anything but a political motive for mandates.

Note: R(t) values made up to illustrate the point.

I heard a sound bite on the news, I think it was the Gov of Vermont, who said that 70% of cases and 75% of hospitalizations were unvaccinated.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

I heard a sound bite on the news, I think it was the Gov of Vermont, who said that 70% of cases and 75% of hospitalizations were unvaccinated.

Looks like 63%. Multiply 120*.72 = 86.4 for Vaxx, then 530*.28 = 148, so 148/(148+86.4) = 63%

Read the link - astonishingly bad results against death (but the data is soooo small that I'm not sure of it's significance and am too lazy to check it).

In any event, I'm pretty confident it's going to keep spreading, regardless of vaxx status. I suppose I could model it out.

Vermont

 

[WPTLION]

Facts in the UK are this ... percentages vaccinated are equal to vaccinated cases. Deaths are a few points lower. The basic facts are 99% of people still don't need a vaccine and the people who are going to die with or with or with out the vaccine. The CDC if you can believe them recently said only 1 in 4 cases were actually known. Which all but proves the point that 99% of people get no benefit from a vaccine that does not prevent getting or spreading the virus. If it worked at all it worked on the original strain....when it wqs in the down ward trend and by March on 10% of the population of PA wqs vaccinated. So the vaccine truly had no effect on the end of the winter surge . It was the end of that strain just like the summer before ended Covd 19 stain 1

 

[SLUPSU]

Looks like 63%. Multiply 120*.72 = 86.4 for Vaxx, then 530*.28 = 148, so 148/(148+86.4) = 63%

Read the link - astonishingly bad results against death (but the data is soooo small that I'm not sure of it's significance and am too lazy to check it).

In any event, I'm pretty confident it's going to keep spreading, regardless of vaxx status. I suppose I could model it out.

Vermont

Cases are quite a bit higher than they were two weeks ago, 82% higher. Your graph doesn't seem to jive with actual reported numbers, you're using 530 when the latest 7 day case rate is 354.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Cases are quite a bit higher than they were two weeks ago, 82% higher. Your graph doesn't seem to jive with actual reported numbers, you're using 530 when the latest 7 day case rate is 354.

The numbers I'm using are per entire population of vaxxed and entire population of unvaxxed. So, cases divided by about 450000 vaxxed and 180000 unvaxxed.

I'm grabbing the last 4 weeks off each graph and averaging.

 

[SLUPSU]

The numbers I'm using are per entire population of vaxxed and entire population of unvaxxed. So, cases divided by about 450000 vaxxed and 180000 unvaxxed.

I'm grabbing the last 4 weeks off each graph and averaging.

But you don't have the two most recent weeks of data during an 82% increase. It looks like those are weekly numbers shown, so 530+148 you're using would actually be in the ballpark of 2500 for the most recent week.

I'm missing something with that graph, for example, on 10/23 it shows a total of 650 cases during that previous week, when I check NYT's and Worldometers, that week had about 1200 and 1500 cases.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

What we will need to see is when the PA surge ends. really delta did really start taking hold in PA until August so about 3.5 months. Meanwhile in Florida it reall took off the 2 week of July and was down by October 1st. So just under 3 months. Since August PA has been about 1 cs pr 31 people....Florida was 1 in 17....PA however doesn't appear to be dropping so are we going to be more like the UK which would mean at least 2 more months and by that point everything would more then likely even out. Of course in two months could Florida be on to a new spike? Is there anywhere else with a similar pattern to Floridas?

All the southern states show a similar pattern to Florida.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

But you don't have the two most recent weeks of data during an 82% increase. It looks like those are weekly numbers shown, so 530+148 you're using would actually be in the ballpark of 2500 for the most recent week.

I'm missing something with that graph, for example, on 10/23 it shows a total of 650 cases during that previous week, when I check NYT's and Worldometers, that week had about 1200 and 1500 cases.

Yeah, if I find it where there are breakthrough cases, then I'll post it.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Interesting. Now surely, almost everyone in a nursing home is vaccinated. Nonetheless, this result is pretty surprising.

Note again, how jurnlist FINALLY discovers pre-existing conditions for the first time.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news...outbreak-at-connecticut-nursing-home/2652161/

 

[BringBackStoneys]

Yes, that's right. But by reducing R(t) to 3.0, instead of leaving it at 7.2, what will the impact be?

Yes, yes, I know I'm simplifying the math.

23,000 Floridians have died from COVID since DiSantos lifted all COVID restrictions on July 1. Pennsylvania has had 4,000 deaths in that same period. And in both states the elderly population was highly vaccinated. Normalized for population, Florida’s path to natural immunity has proven to be 3x more fatal thus far.

 

[psuaxe70]

When they withheld monoclonal antibodies from Florida, that was the end of any honest attempt to pretend it was about science. It was all about making DeSantis look bad.

My friend was hospitalized in Florida with COVID but he chose a hospital that gave him monoclonal antibodies and recovered.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

23,000 Floridians have died from COVID since DiSantos lifted all COVID restrictions on July 1. Pennsylvania has had 4,000 deaths in that same period. And in both states the elderly population was highly vaccinated. Normalized for population, Florida’s path to natural immunity has proven to be 3x more fatal thus far.

Only a dishonest hack would think he could fool people with a "since July 1st" proclamation, which eliminates pennsylvania's earlier surge.

Right now, for the entire pandemic, Florida is at 2833 and Pa at 2549. Pa is increasing, and Florida is essentially at zero.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

Only a dishonest hack would think he could fool people with a "since July 1st" proclamation, which eliminates pennsylvania's earlier surge.

Right now, for the entire pandemic, Florida is at 2833 and Pa at 2549. Pa is increasing, and Florida is essentially at zero.

Vaccines became plentiful in June/July 2021 and national case levels were very low. Some governors declared the pandemic ‘over’ during the summer. It make perfect sense to assess performance since then.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Vaccines became plentiful in June/July 2021 and national case levels were very low. Some governors declared the pandemic ‘over’ during the summer. It make perfect sense to assess performance since then.

No, it does not make sense to use a start date of "when vaccines became plentiful" because PA and FLA have almost exactly the same vaccination rate profile. I mean almost EXACT.

So, you're just wrong. Again.

Now before you try to pivot to lockdowns and masks - for the entire pandemic, PA was masking and locking down.

For the entire pandemic, Fla was not locking down and not masking up.

So, we use the entire pandemic.

Here is what I suggest: Find data that makes your argument, then use whatever crazy, convoluted excuses you need to say that's the data we should look at. Oh, you already do that.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

No, it does not make sense to use a start date of "when vaccines became plentiful" because PA and FLA have almost exactly the same vaccination rate profile. I mean almost EXACT.

So, you're just wrong. Again.

Now before you try to pivot to lockdowns and masks - for the entire pandemic, PA was masking and locking down.

For the entire pandemic, Fla was not locking down and not masking up.

So, we use the entire pandemic.

Here is what I suggest: Find data that makes your argument, then use whatever crazy, convoluted excuses you need to say that's the data we should look at. Oh, you already do that.

The first surge and second surge were completely different. In the first surge, there were questions about how the disease spread, little understanding of which populations were most impacted, no vaccines, testing was constrained, no monoclonal antibody treatments, etc. Pennsylvania wracked up significant death tolls under those cloudy conditions. Over the past 6 months, we knew more about the disease and had many more tools in the treatment toolkit and yet Florida and other southern states had even larger death tolls (3x fatality over Pennsylvania) even with all of those advantages. Those are the facts. You can distract by pointing to breakthrough cases in Vermont (which still has a crazy low death rate) but that doesn’t change anything about the mismanagement of the pandemic in the south.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

The first surge and second surge were completely different. In the first surge, there were questions about how the disease spread, little understanding of which populations were most impacted, no vaccines, testing was constrained, no monoclonal antibody treatments, etc. Pennsylvania wracked up significant death tolls under those cloudy conditions. Over the past 6 months, we knew more about the disease and had many more tools in the treatment toolkit and yet Florida and other southern states had even larger death tolls (3x fatality over Pennsylvania) even with all of those advantages. Those are the facts. You can distract by pointing to breakthrough cases in Vermont (which still has a crazy low death rate) but that doesn’t change anything about the mismanagement of the pandemic in the south.

There was never any mis-understanding about how the disease spread, who was impacted, everything was known.

Maybe that moron Fauci didn't understand much (or maybe he was just lying), but lots of other people did.

 

[Cletus11]

1.5M shots yesterday so total up to 442.0M.

So far, 227.1 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.1 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 29.3M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.4%; Fully vaccinated = 58.8%; Booster = 15.4% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.5%; Fully vaccinated = 68.8%; Booster = 16.5% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.4%; Fully vaccinated = 70.6%; Booster = 25.0% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.2%; Fully vaccinated = 86.1%; Booster = 36.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

70,823 positives reported yesterday compared to 59,358 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 82,677

Fatality was 467 reported yesterday compared to 699 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 975

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 38,332 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 38,845 compared to one week ago 40,676 DOWN 5.8%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,067 compared yesterday 7-day average of 5,094 compared to one week ago 5,036 UP 0.6%.

1.35M shots yesterday so total up to 444.7M.

So far, 228.1million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.6 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 31.4M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.7%; Fully vaccinated = 58.9%; Booster = 16.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.8%; Fully vaccinated = 68.9%; Booster = 17.2% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.7%; Fully vaccinated = 70.7%;

Population over 50 years of age with Booster dose = 26.0% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.5%; Fully vaccinated = 86.3%; Booster = 37.3% as percent of fully vaccinated

104,702 positives reported yesterday compared to 95,020 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 87,957

Fatality was 1,416 reported yesterday compared to 1,633 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 959

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 40,408 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 40,375 compared to one week ago 40,277 UP 0.3%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,381 compared yesterday 7-day average of 5,067 compared to one week ago 5,127 UP 5.0%.

 

[Cletus11]

The first surge and second surge were completely different. In the first surge, there were questions about how the disease spread, little understanding of which populations were most impacted, no vaccines, testing was constrained, no monoclonal antibody treatments, etc. Pennsylvania wracked up significant death tolls under those cloudy conditions. Over the past 6 months, we knew more about the disease and had many more tools in the treatment toolkit and yet Florida and other southern states had even larger death tolls (3x fatality over Pennsylvania) even with all of those advantages. Those are the facts. You can distract by pointing to breakthrough cases in Vermont (which still has a crazy low death rate) but that doesn’t change anything about the mismanagement of the pandemic in the south.

i think you are not correct here. PA death count is high due to the horrible decision of putting covid patients back in nursing homes and that was known to be dumb at the time (the health secreatry pulled her own mother out as she knew it was that bad). Also have to look at the entirety of hte pandemic as we now know that essentially it is about surging and as we can see, nothign is stopping a surge even the vacine

 

[BringBackStoneys]

i think you are not correct here. PA death count is high due to the horrible decision of putting covid patients back in nursing homes and that was known to be dumb at the time (the health secreatry pulled her own mother out as she knew it was that bad). Also have to look at the entirety of hte pandemic as we now know that essentially it is about surging and as we can see, nothign is stopping a surge even the vacine

Ahh yes, nursing home death camps - a favorite talking point of the uninformed and easily misled. In PAs first wave, nursing home deaths were about 60% of the 4000 deaths. The national average was 40%. In all cases tests were largely unavailable and hospitals overrun. So you could argue that 1300 of PA’s 32,000 COVID deaths were mismanagement of nursing homes. What is your argument for Florida’s 14,000 excess deaths in the past 5 months?

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Ahh yes, nursing home death camps - a favorite talking point of the uninformed and easily misled. In PAs first wave, nursing home deaths were about 60% of the 4000 deaths. The national average was 40%. In all cases tests were largely unavailable and hospitals overrun. So you could argue that 1300 of PA’s 32,000 COVID deaths were mismanagement of nursing homes. What is your argument for Florida’s 14,000 excess deaths in the past 5 months?

Even you would have known that putting sick people into nursing homes was a recipe for disaster.

 

[Cletus11]

Ahh yes, nursing home death camps - a favorite talking point of the uninformed and easily misled. In PAs first wave, nursing home deaths were about 60% of the 4000 deaths. The national average was 40%. In all cases tests were largely unavailable and hospitals overrun. So you could argue that 1300 of PA’s 32,000 COVID deaths were mismanagement of nursing homes. What is your argument for Florida’s 14,000 excess deaths in the past 5 months?

i don't agree with 14,000 excess deaths. I don't believe that any policies (other than putting covid patients back into nursing homes) are going to have any effect on the death rate over the course of the pandemic. Certain states will rise at certain times due to that specific state having their surge. Once the vaccine was put in place, then it is more about people living their life or not.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

Even you would have known that putting sick people into nursing homes was a recipe for disaster.

As was banning masking and other public health measures during the heat of summer when everyone goes indoors. In fact, it proved to be 10x worse when you count the fatalities.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

As was banning masking and other public health measures during the heat of summer when everyone goes indoors. In fact, it proved to be 10x worse when you count the fatalities.

Nope. Lots of evidence that masking had no effect.

New York and New Jersey masked and isolated like crazy.

Didn't help very much.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

Nope. Lots of evidence that masking had no effect.

New York and New Jersey masked and isolated like crazy.

Didn't help very much.

Mask-wearing linked to 53% cut in Covid incidence, global study finds

Researchers said results highlight the need to continue with face coverings, social distancing and handwashing alongside vaccine programmes

www.theguardian.com

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Mask-wearing linked to 53% cut in Covid incidence, global study finds

Researchers said results highlight the need to continue with face coverings, social distancing and handwashing alongside vaccine programmes

www.theguardian.com

hahahaha - a journalist telling me a study is valid means nothing.

As far as I can see, they don't even link to the study.

Also, it's a "meta-analysis", which I've been told means nothing (well for Ivermectin and HCQ, they mean nothing, I'm sure that for a study that's not even linked, they are robust and conclusive.

If you want to wear your mask for the next decade, knock yourself out. You can do that in Jersey and New York AND anywhere else you want.

Note: Wear your N95 - we know that works perfectly for both YOU and OTHERS.

But don't ask me to wear mine - no way.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

hahahaha - a journalist telling me a study is valid means nothing.

As far as I can see, they don't even link to the study.

Also, it's a "meta-analysis", which I've been told means nothing (well for Ivermectin and HCQ, they mean nothing, I'm sure that for a study that's not even linked, they are robust and conclusive.

If you want to wear your mask for the next decade, knock yourself out. You can do that in Jersey and New York AND anywhere else you want.

Note: Wear your N95 - we know that works perfectly for both YOU and OTHERS.

But don't ask me to wear mine - no way.

Ok snowflake. The greatest generation would be REALLY impressed by your unwillingness to be marginally inconvenienced by a mask to help your countrymen navigate a national crisis.

Effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality: systematic review and meta-analysis

Objective To review the evidence on the effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality. Design Systematic review and meta-analysis. Data sources Medline, Embase, CINAHL, Biosis, Joanna Briggs, Global Health, and...

www.bmj.com

 

[PSUEngineer89]

Ok snowflake. The greatest generation would be REALLY impressed by your unwillingness to be marginally inconvenienced by a mask to help your countrymen navigate a national crisis.

Effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality: systematic review and meta-analysis

Objective To review the evidence on the effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality. Design Systematic review and meta-analysis. Data sources Medline, Embase, CINAHL, Biosis, Joanna Briggs, Global Health, and...

www.bmj.com

You wear an N95 mask and you don't need to worry about what anyone else does.

Got that - YOUR N95 mask has been shown to work very, very, very well in protecting the wearer.

So, it's perfect. You make the sacrifice for YOUR health.

 

[PSUEngineer89]

State Covid Death data normalized by population.

Note that the recent surges of Michigan and Pennsylvania are not YET depicted because the data of the last 3-4 weeks isn't complete.

Hey, bonus question: Who can figure out why New Jersey hasn't had a surge recently? Anyone? Bueller?

I can graph any states that anyone might wish in a second now. You just have to remember that the last four weeks aren't really in yet. So, requests will be taken - for example, we could compare Vt and Connecticut and New Mexico.

 

[Obliviax]

Ok snowflake. The greatest generation would be REALLY impressed by your unwillingness to be marginally inconvenienced by a mask to help your countrymen navigate a national crisis.

Effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality: systematic review and meta-analysis

Objective To review the evidence on the effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality. Design Systematic review and meta-analysis. Data sources Medline, Embase, CINAHL, Biosis, Joanna Briggs, Global Health, and...

www.bmj.com

I used to believe those articles but when I look at effectiveness across areas where there were lockdowns and strict adherence and those that didn't, I see very little difference in performance. I simply don't trust them anymore. They have been caught cooking the books several times.

In addition, I spoke to a person who has a condition that makes them high risk for the nRNA vax on Sunday. He told me that he had a convo with his Dr. who just shook his head and said "good luck finding anyone who will publicly speak out about the known challenges of the vaccines." The Dr advised him to submit a request for a waiver from his employer on the basis of religion. The employer was United Airlines. He is Roman Catholic. He simply said he objected on religious reasons and after the airline pilot "blue flu" strike, United granted it. His impression was that they just want to keep the paperwork in order so nobody questions them. His wife said their son got a waiver at his university by saying he was the last male child who could carry on the family lineage. LOL...what a joke.

 

[Cletus11]

1.35M shots yesterday so total up to 444.7M.

So far, 228.1million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.6 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 31.4M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.7%; Fully vaccinated = 58.9%; Booster = 16.1% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.8%; Fully vaccinated = 68.9%; Booster = 17.2% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.7%; Fully vaccinated = 70.7%;

Population over 50 years of age with Booster dose = 26.0% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.5%; Fully vaccinated = 86.3%; Booster = 37.3% as percent of fully vaccinated

104,702 positives reported yesterday compared to 95,020 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 87,957

Fatality was 1,416 reported yesterday compared to 1,633 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 959

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 40,408 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 40,375 compared to one week ago 40,277 UP 0.3%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,381 compared yesterday 7-day average of 5,067 compared to one week ago 5,127 UP 5.0%.

1.5M shots yesterday so total up to 446.2M.

So far, 228.5million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.7 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 32.4M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.8%; Fully vaccinated = 58.9%; Booster = 16.6% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.8%; Fully vaccinated = 69.0%;

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.7%; Fully vaccinated = 70.7%; Booster = 17.8% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 50 years of age with Booster dose = 26.8% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.6%; Fully vaccinated = 86.2%; Booster = 38.2% as percent of fully vaccinated

99,146 positives reported yesterday compared to 96,826 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 88,364

Fatality was 1,147 reported yesterday compared to 1,092 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 969

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 40,579 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 40,408 compared to one week ago 40,221 UP 0.9%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,067 compared yesterday 7-day average of 5,456 compared to one week ago 5,176 UP 5.4%.

So really interested to see as the daily positives goes up, what happens to fatality. I mean the vaccination rate of the at risk group has to be nearly 99% and we now have booster shots out there also. So we should not see fatality rates go up in my mind like we have in the past with positives increasing.

 

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1.5M shots yesterday so total up to 446.2M.

So far, 228.5million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 195.7 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 32.4M have received a booster dose.

Total Population with at least one dose = 68.8%; Fully vaccinated = 58.9%; Booster = 16.6% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.8%; Fully vaccinated = 69.0%;

Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 81.7%; Fully vaccinated = 70.7%; Booster = 17.8% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 50 years of age with Booster dose = 26.8% as percent of fully vaccinated

Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 99.6%; Fully vaccinated = 86.2%; Booster = 38.2% as percent of fully vaccinated

99,146 positives reported yesterday compared to 96,826 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 88,364

Fatality was 1,147 reported yesterday compared to 1,092 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 969

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 40,579 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 40,408 compared to one week ago 40,221 UP 0.9%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,067 compared yesterday 7-day average of 5,456 compared to one week ago 5,176 UP 5.4%.

So really interested to see as the daily positives goes up, what happens to fatality. I mean the vaccination rate of the at risk group has to be nearly 99% and we now have booster shots out there also. So we should not see fatality rates go up in my mind like we have in the past with positives increasing.

Key words are "should not". In the UK deaths are still pilling up in the over 70 group....running about 90% vax vs 10% unvax.....That group is about 95% total vaxxed.