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OT: USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates
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The vaccines are very good at preventing hospitalization and death. Now let me ask
“if seat belts work, why would seat belt-wearing people be obsessed with and demonize people who don’t wear their seat belt?
The answer is: some people would prefer to see their fellow Americans avoid readily preventable deaths, even if those countrymen are total f’n morons.
You’re not anti-vax, but they’re the victims here. Good grief, the mental gymnastics you do are great. You stating the term cult while talking out of both sides of your mouth is great. Put on your red hat and play victim for them even though you know better and got the shots. It’s ok to call them selfish at this point. They are and plenty grew tired of this BS a while back. I don’t care if they choose to lose their jobs. They are morons that think they are being oppressed. They aren't, they are getting duped by social media for a fake cause.
Best thing are the hypocrites that talk about the Bible and cannot do the bare minimum to help out fellow humans….and still want to preach about the good old days and how everyone else lacks a moral compass but their little group. Sorry, they aren’t victims to me. Far from it.
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Great stuff there.....oh boy have you changed my mind. Thanks for eliminating yourself from the conversation as I don't give any more time to crazy anymore.LaJollaLion thinks 117 children should die to save one child from COVID.
What is the Number Needed to Vaccinate (NNTV) to prevent a single COVID-19 fatality in kids 5 to 11 based on the Pfizer EUA application?
And what are the risks that go along with injecting that many kids?tobyrogers.substack.com
Who is Toby Rogers?
This is why it's dangerous that Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube give folks like Toby Rogers a platform to push misinformation about vaccines - sometimes people listen to them.
vaxopedia.org
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1.2M shots yesterday so total up to 432.1M.
So far, 223.9 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 194.0 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 24.8M have received a booster dose.
Total Population with at least one dose = 67.5%; Fully vaccinated = 58.4%; Booster = 12.8% as percent of fully vaccinated
Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 78.8%; Fully vaccinated = 68.4%; Booster = 13.7% as percent of fully vaccinated
Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 80.7%; Fully vaccinated = 70.1%; Booster = 21.1% as percent of fully vaccinated
Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 98.3%; Fully vaccinated = 85.7%; Booster = 31.1% as percent of fully vaccinated
54,8475 positives reported yesterday compared to 54,517week over week. 7-day rolling average is 71,471
Fatality was 483 reported yesterday compared to 643 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 1,014
Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 38,570 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 39,815 compared to one week ago 43,574 DOWN 11.5%.
Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 4,743 compared yesterday 7-day average of 4,892 compared to one week ago 5,225 DOWN 9.2%.
The principle of (fake) victimhood is at the core of an entire present-day ideology, and I think we both know on which side of the spectrum this ideology resides.
In fact, the Vaccine Cult has been fanatically promoting the notion that the unvaccinated are somehow victimizing the vaccinated. It's become the official Party Line.
But to take a not so hypothetical example: Is an otherwise healthy person under age 60 who has already been exposed to the virus yet is required against his will to get a vaccine of questionable effectiveness as a condition of continued employment a "victim"? You could make the case but really who cares. These are word games. The point is that such mandates are abusive and senseless.
The vaccines were introduced with great hoopla as 95% effective against infection. We soon found out that was nowhere near the reality.
Then the fallback position became hospitalization and death, but in various places around the nation and the world, the hospitalization numbers for vaccinated people have steadily risen. For example, the report above that in a local hospital fully 40% of those admitted for Covid last month were vaccinated.
Deaths? There apparently continues to be a vaccination advantage in that department but for how long?
At the end of the day, this is a disease that poses only a low risk to most of the population and almost zero risk to children. The hospitalizations and deaths are occurring overwhelmingly in certain higher-risk groups. Therefore, the one-size-fits-all mandate for vaccines whose effectiveness decreases drastically after six months (or less) is crazy. Then again, no more crazy than locking down the country and destroying the economy last year. Our "experts" at work.
Final note. Your seat-belt analogy doesn't hold. The seat-belt laws are rarely enforced. Only if you get stopped for something else might a seat-belt violation be tacked on, and then it's a small fine. For these mandates we're talking about intrusive oversight with people losing their jobs and livelihoods. Big difference.
Your concern for your fellow countrymen is duly noted. But some of them would prefer that when it comes to Covid vaccines, given the uncertainties and variables, you make the decision that you think works best for you and let them make the decision that they think works best for them. And if you find their decision "f'n moronic," well, they'll just have to deal with the burden of your disapproval.
Don't tell LaJolla that in the UK with 85% fully vaxxed they are making up 82.7% of total deaths in the last 3 weeks over 18. So really the vax isn't really preventing deaths either.
You can talk in circles all you want to. Bottom line is they are effective in minimizing the risk of death and slowing the spread. No sane people are debating that anymore....none. Some people actually do have valid reasons not to get it....and then there are nuts that read stupid Sh!t like a Q nut posted above in this thread and you lack the balls to call him out on it. Now I know why you wouldn't, but it's still fun to call you out on it.
You keep doing your mental gymnastics of sticking up for your fellow countrymen.....as I have seen how and who you have stood for in the past. I have zero use in any discussion with you on this....you know better, you got the shots, but still want to play your "team" card. Not all of us are on a team jerry....you're just led to believe that and you do. Have a great day. Nothing funnier that watching a fully vaccinated person support utter BS.
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Jerry made a personal vaccination decision based on his individual risk factors and wants everyone else to be able to do the same. The only team he is playing on is the good American team, Comrade. You may not acknowledge that you are on a team, but you certainly are. Your team knows what is best for everyone else and has no problem making the decision for them whether your decision makes sense for them or not.
This new data from TX should be really disappointing to you.
LOL, ok SS. Sometimes laws are put in place to protect the innocent from the stupid. In this case the stupid still have a choice, so you’re wrong there. The stupid in this case don’t like their consequences for their own decisions. Again, I don’t care if they die on a dumb sword because they are too stupid to listen to the medical community during a pandemic. Instead they let fear porn scare them about being tracked and tons other BS reasons. Boohoo for them. People are free to make dumb selfish decisions and people are free to call them out on it. It’s called freedom. Win win and some occupations get a free trash clean up.
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Anytime they use January as the start is a junk report "The timeframe was chosen because January 15, 2021 represents the first day a Texan could be considered fully vaccinated, and October 1, 2021 represents the most recent date with complete available data"
Typical, bury your head in the ground, the data for the most current month is in the report. Try again.
Really have DEEPLY Appreciated your work on reporting and recognize you knowledge in many things COVID related..
I am fully vaxed and am getting my Moderna Booster tonight.
One real question I have that I believe would shed light on Natural Immunity. Any knowledge you share on this would shine the light and help many to make a more informed decisions.
There have been 10's of Millions of people who have been tested for Covid and treated at hospitals across the world.
* What % of them returned with a second case of Covid?
*Would also like to see the timing between infections and sorted by Covid variant.
*Guessing CDC is not putting out this data but have other countries done so...as it seeds counter to their pushing their agenda
*Have any countries published studies that include data like this?
THANKS in advance...STL_LION
OT: Cletus, hope you will eventual continue your Covid post at ON3.
I hope Cletus will continue to post here...in this very thread. He has a combination of knowledge and objectivity that is sorely needed.
I don't necessarily agree with his every word. But in my observation, he says those words reasonably and knowledgeably.
None other than the Director of the Laboratory of Infectious Diseases at NIH, one Matthew Memoli, opposes vaccine mandates for those not in high-risk categories.
An WSJ piece published a few days ago behind a pay wall cites an e-mail by Memoli to Tony Fauci in late July asserting that "...the way we are using the vaccines is wrong...blanket vaccination of people at low risk of severe illness could hamper the development of more-robust immunity gained across a population from infection.”
Again, that's the Director of the Laboratory of Infectious Diseases at NIH speaking.
So my above opinion that one-size-fits-all vaccine mandates are crazy appears to have some expert support. I suspect that some other experts and people in positions of influence have similar concerns, but they've seen what happens to those who buck the party line.
An WSJ piece published a few days ago behind a pay wall cites an e-mail by Memoli to Tony Fauci in late July asserting that "...the way we are using the vaccines is wrong...blanket vaccination of people at low risk of severe illness could hamper the development of more-robust immunity gained across a population from infection.”
Again, that's the Director of the Laboratory of Infectious Diseases at NIH speaking.
So my above opinion that one-size-fits-all vaccine mandates are crazy appears to have some expert support. I suspect that some other experts and people in positions of influence have similar concerns, but they've seen what happens to those who buck the party line.
Just stating facts, but why would this current administration, which doesn't enforce this country's immigration laws and ignores the opinion of OSHA that vaccine mandates in the workplace do not fall under its auspices, follow expert scientific opinion? If anything, everything that they have done regarding fighting this virus has gone against science.
1.22M shots yesterday so total up to 434.4M.
So far, 224.6 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 194.3 million people have completed a vaccination regimen. At least 26.0M have received a booster dose.
Total Population with at least one dose = 67.7%; Fully vaccinated = 58.5%; Booster = 123.4% as percent of fully vaccinated
Population over 12 years of age with at least one dose = 79.0%; Fully vaccinated = 68.5%; Booster = 14.4% as percent of fully vaccinated
Population over 18 years of age with at least one dose = 80.9%; Fully vaccinated = 70.3%; Booster = 22.1% as percent of fully vaccinated
Population over 65 years of age with at least one dose = 98.5%; Fully vaccinated = 85.8%; Booster = 32.4% as percent of fully vaccinated
94,376 positives reported yesterday compared to 78,710 week over week. 7-day rolling average is 76,786
Fatality was 1,493 reported yesterday compared to 1,547 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 1,097
Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 39,852 compared to yesterday 7-day average at 38,570 compared to one week ago 42,552 DOWN 6.3%.
Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,111 compared yesterday 7-day average of 4,743 compared to one week ago 5,121 DOWN 0.2%.
So we are going to have another uptick it appears as we are seeing daily positives go up and unfortatnely seeing the hospital numbers up also. I was hoping that if we did see the positives up, that the vaccine rate would keep hospital rate down but it appears that will not be the case. And to make it even crazier, PA was #1 on the daily case list today with 6,936.
Everyone is sick of it. None of the crap they are doing is working, including the experimental shots,, so let us live our lives. Survival of the fittest.
We are starting to see what happened in the UK in August. I thought it would be here sooner. I saw the extremely high PA number too. It seems like PA is testing a lot less then we were in 2 months ago. PA offers 2 testing numbers total tests and negative tests, which is supposed to be a negative person, not sure how that should actually work but....the total # of negative people yesterday was 6175. This was used up until last fall to get the percent positive. So using that number and the total positive # (need to subtract probables) of 5094. PA's positivty is 45.2%.....of course the number they actually use makes it 13.3% either way PA has a very high positivity rate right now.
the UK obviously is tracking fatality much differently also. the are at 140 fatality per day so nearly an order of magnitude less than the USA (over a 1000 per day) even though the positive cases are only about half of what USA is 40K vs 80k.
So again, the numbers in the USA for fatalities are just not consistent with other countries.
Isn't it more likely that the fatalities are correct in both UK and USA (and other first world countries)?
Sure, you can mis-classify a death, but evidence has shown that misclassification of death isn't happening on a large scale.
It's much harder for cases to be consistent because some cultures will go get tested far more readily than others.
I don't see how the fatality rate due to Covid is an order of magnitude different in the UK vs USA, that doesn't make sense to me at all. We know from some very scant data we saw in that California situation (I think it was Alameda county) that they had 25% of deaths which they were sure were not due to Covid upon more detailed review. And I am fairly certain they were taking a conservative approach to that 25% value where if you took a more reasonable approach probably that number is more in the 35-45% of death currently being logged as Covid were 'with' covid not 'because of Covid or that Covid only played a minor role'. At this point, the vaccination rates between the two countries is not that much different to account for the difference.
Just waiting for that one expert out there that is going to come out and say they have no idea what works and what doesn't work. Also, appreciate all the data driven people out there but it is about time to not report every number, every day and start living a regular life again. I have had the virus and am double vaccinated and will get my booster in a week or so. I understand that all three of those shots don't guarantee me a damn thing. I just hope they fend off a horrible case when I do get it again. But I also refuse to go back to any kind of mandates or things that infringe on how I want to live.
What people don't understand is how the "numbers" people present this on a daily basis. Why don't we talk about heart attack cases daily? How about cancer numbers daily? Don't like either of those? Then let us produce car accident numbers the same way we produce covid number.
It is your life, live it how you want to live it.
What people don't understand is how the "numbers" people present this on a daily basis. Why don't we talk about heart attack cases daily? How about cancer numbers daily? Don't like either of those? Then let us produce car accident numbers the same way we produce covid number.
It is your life, live it how you want to live it.
That's been an argument since day one. When you say anything like that on social media you're labeled as someone who doesn't care about human beings!
100% agree on that. The vaccine can only help so much as we see now with the mutating virus and mass amount of breakthrough cases. And it is not realistic or feasible or even humanly possible to re-vaccinate the entire country (and entire world) on a 6 month basis to take into account these constant mutations. It is 100% political right now with politicians using this for power, control, and money purposes.
The fanaticism on vaccine mandates is shocking to me somewhat. Especially pushing down to kids under 12 years age when we don't have the data on even studies of a couple of years in length to really judge what effects it might have. I am perfectly fine with allowing parents to choose to vaccinate a child with the Covid vaccine, but the hardcore push for it is way over the top.
Well, we're at about 1100 per day/330,000,000 = 3.33 deaths per day per million.
UK is about 160 deaths per day / 68,000,000 = 2.35 deaths per day per million.
We are coming out of a surge, they're in a slowly increasing mode.
I think that it is all pretty similar.
you are an engineer so 3.33/2.35 is 42%, that is not a small difference. And actually fits about perfectly with the 35-45% number that I said in my previous email that I think the USA is over accounting for Covid deaths.
IF we use the 2 week lag for fatality approach, USA was at 72,000 positives with 1100 fatality today so 72000/1100 is 1 fatality per 65 positive cases logged.
For UK 2 weeks ago at 45,000 positive cases and 160 fatality today so 45000/160 = 1 fatality per 281 positives.
So somehow USA is 4.3 times the fatality per daily positive, again not making any sense.
All pointing back to the USA over accounting for covid deaths compared to UK (and Rest of world).
Nope - it’s the US’s relative poor public health and low access to healthcare for the most poor.
Infant mortality is 50% higher in the US vs the UK because of our poor health and poor access to healthcare. Same set of conditions are leading to our current high mortality rate with COVID.
In the last three weeks I was in Vegas, San Diego & Phoenix
- Vegas - Nobody masking outside, but casinos were pretty disciplined about making you wear on inside. everyone wore masks in the casinos.
- San Diego - nobody wearing masks, inside or out. Often, at the hotel, a new guest would walk in and see nobody else had masks on and then take their's off
- Phoenix - no masks inside or out. One biz made me show my vax card to gain access but once in, nobody took any precautions. (masks, distancing)
I recently read an article stating that 78% of USA mortalities were for people classified as "morbidly obese".
I agree with your take on public health. I don’t know if I agree with your point about access but I’m not in the industry so take that for what it’s worth.
At this point, I would like to see - as everyone does - better therapeutics and an end to the politicization of treatments. Let Drs be Drs and let’s work on treatment because this is never going away. And let’s stop with the vaccine totalitarianism, which is all it is.
which is data that is just so hard to come by which is one of my main issues with the CDC and the govt. Who is dying right now of Covid? If the people dying are very old and have multiple co-morbidity with a life expectancy of 6 months then that is very important data. If what you are saying that 75%+ of people dying are morbidly obese (and the other 25% are people with a life expectancy of less than 6 months as extremely sick/old) then all of a sudden Covid doesn't look like the huge killer that govt. is making it out to be.
Agreed. I have a HUGE issue with govt mandates for people under the age of 18. It is ludicrous and I have no idea why the govt is doing this.
Why focus on a short term snapshot of data rather than overall data? UK/US death rates are nearly identical for the duration of the pandemic.
