Sorry to see him fading out the way he is. For a couple years there he was a beast. And the way he blew his Achilles tendon, he left it all on the field. Damn shame.
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probably , but I think he can refuse, which gives him his outright release, but he is still owed the money by Philly , whatever is left on his contract. Baseball is different than football,.as you know.Can he be sent down to the minors?
The Yankees have a few. And David Wright is signed through 2020 with a big contract and he's really breaking down.Might be the worst contract in baseball's recent history.
He won't accept a demotion to the minors and then the Phils would either have retain or waive.Can he be sent down to the minors?
It ended up being a bad contract, but it was not that bad when he signed. At the time he was one of the most valuable players in MLB and the deal was about going rate for a player at his level. He just broke down really quickly.Might be the worst contract in baseball's recent history.
While it may be the right thing to do from a fan perspective, would you bow out and give up almost $20mil? Easy to say yes until you are actually in that position.He should bow out with some dignity intact like Mike Schmidt did. I hope he's not hanging around for the money.
Might be the worst contract in baseball's recent history.
Sorry to see him fading out the way he is. For a couple years there he was a beast. And the way he blew his Achilles tendon, he left it all on the field. Damn shame.
Ouch. I didn't know that.Notre Dame paid Weis more money last year to NOT coach their team than they did Brian Kelly to coach their team.
He won't accept a demotion to the minors and then the Phils would either have retain or waive.
It ended up being a bad contract, but it was not that bad when he signed. At the time he was one of the most valuable players in MLB and the deal was about going rate for a player at his level. He just broke down really quickly.
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Are you saying that he went to 38 and then 31 HRs before the contract was signed?Bull. It was a horrible contract when they signed. Howard's HRs went from 58 to 48 to 47 to 38 to 31. A 1st grader could see where the numbers were heading on a graph.
Bull. It was a horrible contract when they signed. Howard's HRs went from 58 to 48 to 47 to 38 to 31. A 1st grader could see where the numbers were heading on a graph.
Are you saying that he went to 38 and then 31 HRs before the contract was signed?
Mets are STILL paying Bobby Bonilla and will until the year 2035.
Not baseball, but a horrible contract none the less, was Notre Dame's with Charlie Weis. Notre Dame paid Weis more money last year to NOT coach their team than they did Brian Kelly to coach their team.
The timing was the bad part. Reuben should have waited a little longer. That said, his numbers in the years leading up to the contract:Agreed. It was horrible for the timing. He still had a few years left on his old one but Ruben got way too impatient.
That contract gets defended on this board but it was pretty much indefensible to many at the time it was being reworked.
You never cease to amaze me with some of the things you say...
And it's funny that he said something about a 1st grader in the same postHoward never ended a year with 38 HRs. zwick is an awful source for factual information.
Bull. It was a horrible contract when they signed. Howard's HRs went from 58 to 48 to 47 to 38 to 31. A 1st grader could see where the numbers were heading on a graph.
It was because his existing contract had 2 years to run. Totally different analysis. They were bidding against themselves at that time.NO, it was not a terrible contract at the time. EVERY other team is baseball would have given him that contract. I know it did not work out but at the time it was justified. There is always a level of risk. It's not like the Phils or many teams had a Howard in the waiting. We still do NOT have a replacement. Even a poor one.
Howard never ended a year with 38 HRs. zwick is an awful source for factual information.
All of Zwick's inaccuracies aside, the basic premise is valid - they reworked his deal with 2 years left on his old deal in a panic. If Rube had done any due diligence he would have waited to see if signs of decline would show - as they do (and quckly) for aging sluggers. Here's a snippet from Grantland:
B Ryan Howard, Philadelphia Phillies: two years, $60 million (3)10
Howard is the original cautionary tale against extending star players two years before free agency, and his contract has been a source of near-universal mockery since the day it was announced. Putting the 35-year-old former MVP up for sale is the right move for the Phillies, but it’s doubtful any team would want Howard, even if the Phils paid the bulk of his freight. At this point in his career, even calling Howard a platoon DH is probably pushing it: His numbersover the last three years look startlingly similar to Luke Scott’s, and Scott had to go to Korea to find a job.11
Here are his career numbers. He was going downhill long before he got the new deal.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/howarry01.shtml
He had 45 not 38 which makes a bigger decrease. The premise does not change. His numbers were going DOWN.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/howarry01.shtml
2006 58 HRs.
2007 47 HRs.
2008 48 Hrs
2009 45
2010 31. Lets give him a new deal. HUH? Look at the production. His HR totals had already decreased 28 HRs a season.
2011 34.
2012 14
2013 11
2014 23 Big comeback year.
2015 23 HRs
2016 8 HRs.
The writing was on the wall. Howard was done 5 years ago.
The contract was signed at the start of the 2010 season - BEFORE HE HIT 31 HRs.2010 31. Lets give him a new deal. HUH? Look at the production. His HR totals had already decreased 28 HRs a season.
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The timing was the bad part. Reuben should have waited a little longer. That said, his numbers in the years leading up to the contract:
HRs- 58, 47, 48, 45
RBI - 149,136,146,141
BA - 313,268,251,249
OPS - 1.084, .976, .881, .931
1 world series win, 1 world series loss
45 - 31 = 14, not 28. Even a first grader knows that
Well, when you think about it, who wouldn't pay to keep Fat Charlie from coaching their team?Not baseball, but a horrible contract none the less, was Notre Dame's with Charlie Weis. Notre Dame paid Weis more money last year to NOT coach their team than they did Brian Kelly to coach their team.
58-31=27.
Here is a great article written in 2010 by Jayson Stark who I and many others respect greatly in his knowledge of the game and why the phillies had to resign Howard and at that price. The phillies didn't have much of a choice with no other power hitters in the lineup and no others available via FA... Howard did not take discounts as Stark states... http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=5138129&columnist=stark_jayson
The contract was signed on April 26, 2010. That was BEFORE he hit 31 HRs. I repeat. The contract was signed before he hit 31 HRs in a season. Do you understand that?Your numbers are incomplete. You left out the previous season. Kind of hurts your case if you add the previous season which was the MOST important season when giving a player a new deal. Once you add the 31 HR total it was obvious his production was going down.
They had a choice and they made the WRONG choice. Stark looks pretty stupid because he was wrong too.
First, you said the decrease was in "a season". The decrease was over 5 seasons, not 1.
Second, you cannot expect AN player to maintain hitting 58 HRs/season. I don't care who that player is.
Forgot you are a GM in baseball and know more than everyone... LMAO beat it troll