bs. rahne isn't throwing passes behind guys or over their heads. if trace puts those throws on the mark, the play works, we move chains and score points. then the plays magically look good. as i said, will always love trace, but right now, he's not the same player. in a candid moment, i suspect trace would say the same thing.
Get off Rahne's case, guys
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And why is that? Rahne has been an OC for how long? What is his track record as an OC? How long has he been a QB coach?
But you know what, with his track record, I guess he is a great OC and QB coach. With his track record, I shouldn't be questioning otherwise.
The strange thing is that I'm not even against Rahne. Just highlighting some points under this tenure thus far. Maybe it is aberration, but how would we know? It is not like he has been super successful elsewhere. You could argue that PSU is 9-3 with him as OC and you would be right. Pry has even better record, so does JF. So there is that.
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We played the first nine games with only one WR. Hard to overcome the poor play at WR and the loss of three of the B1G’s best offensive players. Apples to apples was the Fiesta Biwl, our best offence of the year
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check the story where trace says he's had accuracy problems all year. he makes the throws, we move the ball, play call works.
And why has he had accuracy issues all year? Who is his positional coach? Why didn't he have accuracy issues in the previous two years under a different QB coach? I would be interesting in knowing b/c I don't. All I know is that I agree with the first part of your sentence. So it appears that you are ruling out injury as a possible reason. AWS may disagree with you on that.
Everything offensively you mention is called coaching and that falls under the offensive coordinator plain and simple. The fact that the offense has not improved and has regressed is also the fact that defensive coordinators know what rahne is going to do each week and rahne cannot adjust during the week or during the game. This is on him. What we witnessed today was astonishing.
He better make changes and coach his team before next week or we will lose to Maryland. He needs to get up by at least 14 plus early or Maryland will wake up and beat us. They want to go bowling and they will be in a. funk after today’s loss and that will stay with them if they get down early but the longer they stay in the game the better they will feel.
Yep. I agree. Can't take it any more. I have decided to become a lepidopterist.
No, it’s much better to yell “fire the coach” every time the team plays bad. That helps. Even better, “bench the QB”....that’s a winner too. Especially after a win...that makes everyone look like knowledgeable fans.
I know I keep repeating it, but the deep balls on first down are turning into drive killers. Maybe a healthy Trace would be making more of these throws, or maybe if we had some WR’s who could get 50:50 balls they would find some success. As it is, they are a waste of a down. It looks like these deep throws are the primary route on first downs, anyway. I am trying to think of the last time one was completed.
Trace is definitely off. His throwing motion looks different. He is uncharacteristically overthrowing a lot of wide open targets. The ability of the offense to move the ball, get first downs and score points has dropped off significantly since he was hurt. While I don’t think anybody can question Trace’s committment and toughness, I question the decision to keep him on the field so much and continue running him when he is injured.
Trace is definitely off. His throwing motion looks different. He is uncharacteristically overthrowing a lot of wide open targets. The ability of the offense to move the ball, get first downs and score points has dropped off significantly since he was hurt. While I don’t think anybody can question Trace’s committment and toughness, I question the decision to keep him on the field so much and continue running him when he is injured.
Please show me one coach on the planet who would bench Trace after all that he’s done for the program and all the games he’s won. And please don’t say Saban benched Hurts for Tua....it took Saban until halftime of the NC game to finally do that when Hurts struggled most of the year and he had possibly the best QB in the program’s history sitting on the bench behind him. So if anything, the Saban example actually supports Franklin keeping Trace in the game not the other way around.
Without knowing the exact nature of his injury, it is hard to say.
Comparing Trace before versus after the Iowa game injury, he is most definitely limited. I don’t know if having him take time off would allow him to get back closer to his early season form. We may never know.
As long as he is medically cleared to play, no coach would sit him. I’m sure all coaches (except the experts on this board) would view him as their best chance to win because he’s won so much in his career. OSU has had some poor games offensively, why didn’t they bench Haskins? And Haskins hasn’t had nearly the career success Trace has had. If you coach baseball and your best hitter is having a bad game, you don’t pinch hit for him...you expect him to be successful the next time up.
Would you say the same about a DE or LT ?
We don’t have all of the information. If having him take a week off would have gotten him close to 100%, it should have been done. There’s is no question he’s a winner and the team leader, but it’s also sad to watch him struggling out there.
If Josh Allen from KY is banged up, you can bet your ass he’d still be playing as long as he was medically cleared to play even if he wasn’t 100%.
more bs. his position coach is making him inaccurate
? he's qbed for 4 years. give me a f&%#ing break. and i don't discount injury. i think that's a major reason. ergo, maybe someone else should be there right now. did you see him blame anyone else in that story? doesn't fit your agenda, though, does it?I said last week I’d rather see Fran Ganter calling plays. A lot of head scratching decisions, confusing route selections, too many QB runs called at awkward times. I’m sure he’s a decent guy but he’s not ready to be a big time OC by a long shot. So if we are ok with not being elite or “bigtime” then it makes sense to keep him around
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By JoMo, the supposed wizard, no less. (By the way, how's his offense at Mississippi State doing?)
Put up 52 points today vs Arkansas. They have struggled against the stronger SEC defenses though. i.e. ‘Bama, LSU, Florida.
Hoping some of you negative nellies come to your senses and quit criticizing coaches. This team has performed well considering all the youth in all ranks. When McSorely is 100% healthy, this team fires on all cylinders. His running makes it all work. Today, he was playing hurt (IMHO) and he refrained from run. He had problems throwing the ball due to leg problem for the same reason. McS. has brought us this far, you must play him as long he wants to play. To finish the game, he ran the ball and got First Down. You can see he was in pain afterwards. Football is a game of loyalty from coaches to players and vice versa. Loyalty among the teammates is also very important.
Maryland game is a true test of this team. Maryland has extreme speed on O. Hoping our D is disciplined enough to stop big plays. They will figure it all out. Tommy may be needed next week ( all three QB's may be needed).
Enjoy the victory!
Maryland game is a true test of this team. Maryland has extreme speed on O. Hoping our D is disciplined enough to stop big plays. They will figure it all out. Tommy may be needed next week ( all three QB's may be needed).
Enjoy the victory!
His offensive game plans are as exciting as listening to bowling on the radio. Too much talent... he needs to go.
My agenda, ha, ha, ha. I wasn't the one who posted that he has had issues with accuracy all season. If that is true, how could it be due to injury? Trace has too much class and is too good of a leader to call out a coach. In reality, it is probably related to numerous issues and the injury could be one. Whatever it is, Rahne apparently hasn't figured it out or at least it hasn't been corrected. Are you going to call b.s on that? I guess that is a rhetorical question.more bs. his position coach is making him inaccurate
By the way, if you read my posts, I have never said Rahne is 100% at fault. You have assumed that is what I meant. What I said was that two PSU QBs have regressed under his tutelage and he doesn't have much of a track record as a OC and QB coach. Maybe there are good reasons why they have regressed, but one didn't regress under BOB and one didn't regress under JoMo. If you need three data points for a pattern, we will find out next year.
Other than a hand off to Sanders, this offense has nothing for ball control. That's what bothers me most about it. Felt the same when Moorhead was the OC. This is what you get when the HC is anxious to get "explosive plays." Make no mistake, Rahne's offense is a reflection of what Franklin wants to run. In it's current form it is ineffective without stellar QB play, on the ground and in the air.
The two-back set was a disappointment -- three guys almost shoulder-to-shoulder -- and nothing more than a swing pass option after some motion. I guess the playbook is already too thick.
We don't run-block well enough. Period. This is not an issue with Sanders. He's a good back. And Hamler, Dotson, and Freiermuth are good receivers. Most teams would have trouble defending these guys.
Like some PSU offenses of the past, once again there are areas of the field and patterns in the passing game that are practically off-limits. Why? Is Trace McSorley's height an issue?
I didn't think we played good defense today either. We have some future stars, but much of the defense played like freshman. We're lucky this was a hapless Rutgers team who turned the ball over -- on a platter.
We won the game, but would have lost to any team with a pulse. It was a LOSS in terms of style points. Not a good look if the goal was a NY6 bowl and you need to impress a committee. Maybe guys feel they would have more fun in Orlando.
The two-back set was a disappointment -- three guys almost shoulder-to-shoulder -- and nothing more than a swing pass option after some motion. I guess the playbook is already too thick.
We don't run-block well enough. Period. This is not an issue with Sanders. He's a good back. And Hamler, Dotson, and Freiermuth are good receivers. Most teams would have trouble defending these guys.
Like some PSU offenses of the past, once again there are areas of the field and patterns in the passing game that are practically off-limits. Why? Is Trace McSorley's height an issue?
I didn't think we played good defense today either. We have some future stars, but much of the defense played like freshman. We're lucky this was a hapless Rutgers team who turned the ball over -- on a platter.
We won the game, but would have lost to any team with a pulse. It was a LOSS in terms of style points. Not a good look if the goal was a NY6 bowl and you need to impress a committee. Maybe guys feel they would have more fun in Orlando.
You are an idiot! Mediocrity is acceptable to you and that makes me want to puke! Rahne and the rest of the offensive staff are terrible! Look at the stats since they don’t lie! He may not be fired, but he should be demoted! Wr coach needs to be fired! Please name one area of our offense that has improved this year? Are those crickets I hear?!?! We can’t consistently run the ball, we consistently drop passes, our play calling lacks any sort of creativity, and we returned 8 starters from last year. No excuses!
He's horrible, as is the HC on game day. End of story. Have all of the takent, can't coach. All of the Jimmy's and Joes, lack of x and o's
I dunno.. maybe we have seen that regression since Franklin apparently doesn't trust either backup against the worst team in football when his QB is clearly not even 50%.
As to #24... maybe he's been giving some thought (after all) to going pro and figured a breakout bingo vs lil sisters of the poor would get him some big nfl love. Instead, he couldn't do doodly except fumble away (again) his opportunity. Sanders is so much better than what he showed today but imo he had other ideas about things should go and we saw the result.
This team is not the team that played osu and my $ says that's about when Trace took a shot to the head and hasn't really been right since. Too bad, because this kid deserves to finish here as the greatest of them all.
And that is why if you're going to play/develop only one quarterback you're taking a heck of a risk by using him as a running back. What bothers me is the belief that there is a free lunch -- the idea that you can run the quarterback and it won't hurt his passing. Not buying it.
I too feel like the offense hasn't improved as the year as gone by. But we did lose a lot of firepower from last year and this is Rahne's first year as OC. They say teams and even staff make big strides from Year 1 to Year 2. So i'm hoping for the same from our O-Staff's. Maybe we can judge him at the end of next year, but till now its not been good.
Was also wondering.. When JoeMo left last year, CJF had two options for his OC: Rahne & Gattis. Just wondering if Gattis would have been a better OC? He was def'ly a much much better WR's coach than Corely, no one can argue that. The WR's always seemed to respond & perform amazingly under his watch. They would run great routes and would know the intricacies of playing the WR spot. Not trying to bad mouth Corely here as no coach is actually out there catching balls.
So i'm wondering, if CJF had promoted Gattis to OC, maybe Gattis could have been OC and WR's coach. No way Rahne would have left to another school like Gattis did. Maybe we could have had best of both worlds. Anyways, that is a fantasy but fun to speculate about.
Was also wondering.. When JoeMo left last year, CJF had two options for his OC: Rahne & Gattis. Just wondering if Gattis would have been a better OC? He was def'ly a much much better WR's coach than Corely, no one can argue that. The WR's always seemed to respond & perform amazingly under his watch. They would run great routes and would know the intricacies of playing the WR spot. Not trying to bad mouth Corely here as no coach is actually out there catching balls.
So i'm wondering, if CJF had promoted Gattis to OC, maybe Gattis could have been OC and WR's coach. No way Rahne would have left to another school like Gattis did. Maybe we could have had best of both worlds. Anyways, that is a fantasy but fun to speculate about.
I’m not sold on Rahne. We have regressed. With JoMo it was his offense and Franklin let him run it. Rahne is now trying to run JoMo’s offense and I don’t think that works. If Rahne is going to be successful he needs to run his offense, not JoMo’s. They may be similar but we should see some differences. I’m not and expert on this but it does seem to me from the armchair of my lazy boy that the wrinkles Rahne has put in for the most part have been fails. I’ll site the “Lion” position as one example. More recently the two back set as another.
On the other side of the coin I did see at least two things today I have been calling for. #1 On the touchdown pass to the TE Trace finally threw the ball off of the RPO. He put the defender in lose/lose and made him pay. That’s the first time I can recall him rolling out with the option to run or throw and actually stopping and throwing. Honestly one of the best plays I’ve seen is run all year.
#2 for the first time in forever our clock management at the end of the game made sense. We had the ball, we were winning, we ran the playclock all the way down to 2/3 seconds and we got first downs. We didn’t bring in Tommy and put Trace wide and run some play that made you say WTF. Little steps but improvement.
Like I said at the beginning of my post I’m not sold on Rahne. He will be back next year. Will he be back for year three? I doubt it. If he’s going to be successful he needs to find his own identity. My doubts on his success are directly related to his attempts this year to implement wrinkles, for the most part they have been epic fails.
On the other side of the coin I did see at least two things today I have been calling for. #1 On the touchdown pass to the TE Trace finally threw the ball off of the RPO. He put the defender in lose/lose and made him pay. That’s the first time I can recall him rolling out with the option to run or throw and actually stopping and throwing. Honestly one of the best plays I’ve seen is run all year.
#2 for the first time in forever our clock management at the end of the game made sense. We had the ball, we were winning, we ran the playclock all the way down to 2/3 seconds and we got first downs. We didn’t bring in Tommy and put Trace wide and run some play that made you say WTF. Little steps but improvement.
Like I said at the beginning of my post I’m not sold on Rahne. He will be back next year. Will he be back for year three? I doubt it. If he’s going to be successful he needs to find his own identity. My doubts on his success are directly related to his attempts this year to implement wrinkles, for the most part they have been epic fails.
All skill positions have regressed, 4th-and5 vs. OSU, and Franklin doesn’t have the balls to sit an injured QB who can’t run the offense when a perfectly capable backup(s) sit on the bench.
But hey, Rahne runs the “Lion” package with Stevens so he’s creative and we are negative nellies. You’re right. Our bad.
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