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David Taylor to Oklahoma State & related news

2. NIL timing. OSU will need to splash cash in the NIL marketplace. The earliest OSU could do this and target our guys is after next season. With Carter, Kerk, and Beau graduating, that’s potentially $2 million (Starocci reportedly got $1.25m this year) worth of NIL that will be available for us to use to retain our young studs. I keep saying it, but hiring a coach a few weeks ago and giving him an NIL war chest maybe could have convinced some guys to look at OSU. Right now the majority of our roster can’t wrestle at Oklahoma State next year even if they wanted to. This also gives us a whole year to plan and fundraise on the NIL side. Having Taylor go to Oklahoma State is probably a pretty easy talking point for Cael when he asks the big donors for more cash for NIL.
They are in the pockets of a billionaire now. Everyone complained ab Ira but this guy makes Ira look poor. Okie St will have fundraising that will rival if not pass Penn st. It’s all up to David’s ability to capitalize on it.
 
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It’s interesting to me that John Smith became the Okie State head coach in 1991 at the age of 26. He won his first team title in 1994. He won his 2nd nine years later in 2003 when his run of 4 in a row began. That streak ended in 2006 and he’s never won a national title since.

I was shocked to learn that he’s only 58. Dude is looking pretty haggard to be so young. The one year the Ferraris were in town probably aged him 5 yrs.
 
We always knew losing David Taylor to one of the top three or four jobs would be one of the biggest threats to our dynasty, but I actually think the timing couldn’t have been better for us.

I really think the only way you can bring down Penn State right now is a move that directly takes something from us. Losing Casey would’ve been that move. Other than that, the only way to really stop this train for the next three or four years is to convince a guy like Mesenbrink, Levi, or Lilledahl to transfer. That elevates your program while directly hurting us. I don’t see any of the above wrestlers leaving Penn State unless they lose their spot. Ryder might be the only sort of guy that I think Taylor could flip, but does that really hurt us? The 165/174 log jam is the one place we could lose multiple guys and still be OK.

I think the timing of the hire was good for us for many reasons:

1. First one is obvious. Hiring a coach a few days AFTER the portal window closes is really bad management. If you hired Taylor a week ago, you may have been able to ride some momentum and get a PSU kid to make a quick, foolish decision. I’m not saying Levi or Kasak would’ve done that, but hiring the guy after the portal has been closed takes away that opportunity. I’m sure Cael already had a plan for getting these guys in the lineup the next two years, but if not, now he has a year to get this stuff figured out. Huge missed opportunity by Oklahoma State.

2. NIL timing. OSU will need to splash cash in the NIL marketplace. The earliest OSU could do this and target our guys is after next season. With Carter, Kerk, and Beau graduating, that’s potentially $2 million (Starocci reportedly got $1.25m this year) worth of NIL that will be available for us to use to retain our young studs. I keep saying it, but hiring a coach a few weeks ago and giving him an NIL war chest maybe could have convinced some guys to look at OSU. Right now the majority of our roster can’t wrestle at Oklahoma State next year even if they wanted to. This also gives us a whole year to plan and fundraise on the NIL side. Having Taylor go to Oklahoma State is probably a pretty easy talking point for Cael when he asks the big donors for more cash for NIL.

3. Again Taylor needs momentum. Maybe five or 10 years ago teams could’ve thought they were a piece or two away from catching us. Taylor will try to take us down when we are at a moment of strength that has rarely ever been seen in college wrestling.

Right now teams are literally 100 points behind us. And frankly, the next 3 years aren’t gonna be much different. This is actually a pretty young team. Next year we will start three seniors (Beau, Starocci, Kerk), 0 to 2 juniors (Nagao and Levi, tho it’s no guarantee either start in 2025), 3-5 sophomores, and 2 freshman.

To put it a different way, AFTER 2025 Lilledahl, Davis, SVN, Kasak, Mesenbrink, Facundo, and Barr all have at least 2 more years of eligibility. Levi might have 2 left as well if he redshirts. Plus we are probably redshirting Davis, Kasak, Sealy, Ryder, and the Mirasola’s. And we are already loading up on the next class.

The earliest chance Taylor could really gain some team momentum is 2028. That’s why winning some individual titles is so important for the next 3 years. If he hasn’t won a few individual championships these next 3 years, there’s gonna be a lot of questions about his college coaching ability.

Taylor will only have so much goodwill before questions are asked. Especially since boosters went over the head of their legend of a coach and brought in a guy with literally zero college coaching experience. Plus, Taylor is not a cowboy. When it’s one of your own, you might be more patient. When you overpay for someone outside of the organization, patience can wear thin quickly. It’s clear Taylor won’t win a team title for several years, but he has to show some improvement pretty quickly.

If they don’t land Allirez, there’s not a single guy on that roster that is even close to being a title contender. Even if they do land Allirez and he wins the title, it’s not like Taylor will get much credit for that. He was already a champion. Recruits want to see you take a guy who was a top 5 p4p recruit and turn him into a multiple time champion. If all you’re doing is offering big NIL money, but not developing guys, you’re just Michigan. If Taylor shows no improvement on the team level or individual level for 3 years, that’s not good.

Timing can be everything, and I think Oklahoma State missed an opportunity by a few days. The timing may have not mattered, but they’ve severely limited his options at a time when he needs to build as much momentum as possible.
No title contenders huh ? Plott was a finalist, Hamiti will bump to 174, Spratley has beat a lot of the top guys. I’m not saying any of them will win but to say there are no title contenders is ludicrous.
 
DT will need to clean house for next year and RS a bunch of guys. He knows the blue print. Guys in OSU went there because of Smith. It will be a punt year in Stillwater. A lot of uneasy Pokes right now.
Don't forget that Cael had a year of housecleaning to do too before he could really put his own plans into motion. He had guys on existing scholarships that had to be honored plus he needed at least one year to start re-educating the guys who would be the future stars of his program. (Ruth, Wright, Molinaro, etc) Also, Cael came in as an outsider, so nobody knew exactly what to expect until things got moving. DT is going to see the same situation in Stillwater. Hopefully, he won't run into any difficult cases like Cael did with Bubba Jenkins. Smith already did some of the necessary purging by getting rid of AJ.
 
DT will need to clean house for next year and RS a bunch of guys. He knows the blue print. Guys in OSU went there because of Smith. It will be a punt year in Stillwater. A lot of uneasy Pokes right now.
They don't have a bunch of guys who still have shirts available.

But yeah, he will need to quickly determine which guys will buy into his program, and get rid of the rest. And "the rest" includes anybody who still wants to party or fight their teammates.
 
Who is this donor? I haven’t heard any of his ski lodge jokes aimed at women wrestlers. Can he really level the field without going on a wrestling forum and letting us know he has two hands and knows how to use them? Psssh, not even tough. Does he post about witnessing the Slush in action? Probably couldn’t even afford to build a hallway between two buildings and call it a tunnel.
 
Who is this donor? I haven’t heard any of his ski lodge jokes aimed at women wrestlers. Can he really level the field without going on a wrestling forum and letting us know he has two hands and knows how to use them? Psssh, not even tough. Does he post about witnessing the Slush in action? Probably couldn’t even afford to build a hallway between two buildings and call it a tunnel.
Yeah, where was this guy when there was an entire Ferrari family to fund?
 
No title contenders huh ? Plott was a finalist, Hamiti will bump to 174, Spratley has beat a lot of the top guys. I’m not saying any of them will win but to say there are no title contenders is ludicrous.
Plott will never beat Keicheisen. Hamiti isn’t close to O’Toole. The gap between those two, and the number one guy at their weight is very large. If Spratley is your other guy you list as a title contender, then I feel comfortable in saying they won’t have any legitimate title contenders. I’ll go as far as to say none of those three will even make the finals next year.
 
I wonder if it felt the coaching staff was more aligned with ab getting to the Olympics. Just a thought
I don't think David Taylor to OSU "just happened." Wondering how long David may have been "entertaining" the idea of succeeding John Smith, since Coleman Scott joined the OSU staff last August in anticipation of Smith's retirement.
 
They don't have a bunch of guys who still have shirts available.

But yeah, he will need to quickly determine which guys will buy into his program, and get rid of the rest. And "the rest" includes anybody who still wants to party or fight their teammates.
So you are saying parading around in teammates' sister's panties will not be tolerated?
 
Who is this donor? I haven’t heard any of his ski lodge jokes aimed at women wrestlers. Can he really level the field without going on a wrestling forum and letting us know he has two hands and knows how to use them? Psssh, not even tough. Does he post about witnessing the Slush in action? Probably couldn’t even afford to build a hallway between two buildings and call it a tunnel.

Weiberg said. "While there are many to thank for their help during this process, I'd like to particularly thank Chad Richison. Without his leadership support of our program, this wouldn't be possible. Like so many others, he cares deeply about the sport of wrestling, wants to see it continue to thrive in the state of Oklahoma at all levels, and shares my belief that a strong Oklahoma State program helps assure that continues to be the case long into the future."
 
They don't have a bunch of guys who still have shirts available.

But yeah, he will need to quickly determine which guys will buy into his program, and get rid of the rest. And "the rest" includes anybody who still wants to party or fight their teammates.
He needs to cut ties with that female groupie with Stifler’s Mom vibes. That is some crazy stuff
 
He needs to cut ties with that female groupie with Stifler’s Mom vibes. That is some crazy stuff
The Orange Pride recruiting escorts program needs to be verboten. Even if it is now complstely innocent (unlike the past), it establishes a party culture.

Just because Gundy gives it the ol' wink and nod, doesn't mean Taylor should.
 
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Okie St. board is saying theres a lot of smoke ab DT being an option for them. Big if true. He could flip their program around fast.
This news was initially hard to take.

I HATE Oklahoma State like most Penn State fans hate Iowa. I can name many Iowa wrestlers I have enjoyed watching: McIlravy, borschel, Clark, whatever. Dieringer is the ONLY Cowboy wrestler I have ever liked.

But on the other hand, if David Taylor actually remakes that trashy program in his image, I'd be ecstatic.

The Penn State wrestling caliphate spreads the one true wrestling faith...
 
Iowa decided to play it safe. We all know what playing it safe in a dynamic environment gets you.
As I've said elsewhere, Iowa dumping Brands for Taylor would actually probably be stupid at worst and, at absolute best, a lateral move that involves pissing a lot of people off.

Iowa does need better upper weight coaching but that's also been a problem area for Iowa going back almost 40 years!

But Oklahoma State had such an obvious culture problem - Cocaine Klimara anyone - that this is almost a necessity for them.
 
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Cael's way of growing the wrestling.

In 10 years the Sanderson coaching tree will dominate the sport and make it more entertaining to watch.
Exactly.

Oklahoma State has been stalling their asses off for decades. Maybe that will be done
 
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This news was initially hard to take.

I HATE Oklahoma State like most Penn State fans hate Iowa. I can name many Iowa wrestlers I have enjoyed watching: McIlravy, borschel, Clark, whatever. Dieringer is the ONLY Cowboy wrestler I have ever liked.

But on the other hand, if David Taylor actually remakes that trashy program in his image, I'd be ecstatic.

The Penn State wrestling caliphate spreads the one true wrestling faith...
I liked watching a few more. Brock (though he couldn't stay healthy), Rogers, Gelogaev (at least when he wasn't stuck under Nelson).

But yeah, it's a short list. They're the exception. The rule has been closer to Ferrari on his knees, and Heil and Perry on their backs.

We used to joke that when OKST wrestled on a raised mat, they'd have a safety net surrounding the platform in case their guys backed up too far. Those days will be over soon. Thankfully.
 
I am mostly being satirical but I quite enjoy having one sport where the team I root for wins everything all the time. It’s a nice change of pace from my other teams that lose everything all the time in excruciating fashion.
This is EXACTLY how I feel. I have a dynasty to root for and didn’t have to feel cheap by jumping on the bandwagon. And they are clutch - it’s just so alien for me.

I have a “friend” who grew up in the 90s (an important detail re: the team list below) - his sheer audacity re: bandwagoning has me putting friend in quotes because it just shows how phony he likely is in other areas - who roots for the Lakers, Cowboys, Yankees and USC (didn’t go there). He’s also a Real Madrid fan. I mean, come the **** on!!!

Behind his back, our group jokes that he was a Hitler fan in 1937, then was Team Stalin in 1943, then became a fan of Churchill in 1945
 
This is EXACTLY how I feel. I have a dynasty to root for and didn’t have to feel cheap by jumping on the bandwagon. And they are clutch - it’s just so alien for me.

I have a “friend” who grew up in the 90s (an important detail re: the team list below) - his sheer audacity re: bandwagoning has me putting friend in quotes because it just shows how phony he likely is in other areas - who roots for the Lakers, Cowboys, Yankees and USC (didn’t go there). He’s also a Real Madrid fan. I mean, come the **** on!!!
Somehow missed Notre Dame and Duke.
 
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This is the first major shift in power since wrestling began in 2011. Until now, all the NIL money and booster support has gone toward bandages.

If David succeeds in getting Okie St back in the title hunt or even a solid second, we can expect lots of coaching changes, and ex-lions will be a hot commodity.

Cael now has another carrot to offer recruits: come to PSU, win championships, compete for world medals, and prepare for a lucrative coaching career.
 
When I was growing up, I only followed the EIWA (PSU was a member along with Lehigh, Pitt, Syracuse, Army, Navy and a few other also rans). But everyone knew that Okie State was the big guy on the block. And Yojiro Uetake was the god of wrestling.
I've never disliked Okie State the way I revile Iowa. DT will transform Okie State from a place where good wrestlers go to stagnate into another spot for wrestlers to continue to evolve. It will be good for American wrestling, it will begin to make college wrestling far more fun to watch --- at least theoretically.
Cael's wrestlers score points. I'm guessing David Taylor's wrestlers will be scorers too.
If I've seen my last 1-1 match determined by a rideout in OT, I'll be grateful forever.
 
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I liked watching a few more. Brock (though he couldn't stay healthy), Rogers, Gelogaev (at least when he wasn't stuck under Nelson).

But yeah, it's a short list. They're the exception. The rule has been closer to Ferrari on his knees, and Heil and Perry on their backs.

We used to joke that when OKST wrestled on a raised mat, they'd have a safety net surrounding the platform in case their guys backed up too far. Those days will be over soon. Thankfully.
You guys are talking about more recent years. Don't forget that Smith and Kenny Monday were also Ok State guys. And going further back, you old timers might remember Geoff Baum who was/is a PA product from Allentown. And there were also the Keller twins who were pretty exciting to watch. Darrell Keller and I became friends when I lived in WA which is his home state. He's a really good, down to earth guy with a great family. (Triplets for granddaughters!) Let's hope that DT starts bringing in more guys like those old timers.
 
Any word on whether Jimmy K will follow David to Stillwater? Tia.
A lot of people seem to think that's a done deal, and Kennedy certainly could follow. But it's also quite possible he could remain at PSU until an attractive small-college head coaching position opens up, then move directly into that to begin a head coaching career, a la Tom Ryan at Hofstra before taking over at tOSU. If he has a choice between "X" years assistant-coaching at PSU under Cael, who appears to be pushing toward GOAT status in his own coaching career, or "X" years assistant-coaching at OSU under a brand new head coach with zero years' experience anywhere as either the head man or even as an assistant, great wrestler though he may be, which "X"-year stint might be more impressive on one's coaching resume?
 
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is that you MCPAT??
 
I liked watching a few more. Brock (though he couldn't stay healthy), Rogers, Gelogaev (at least when he wasn't stuck under Nelson).

But yeah, it's a short list. They're the exception. The rule has been closer to Ferrari on his knees, and Heil and Perry on their backs.

We used to joke that when OKST wrestled on a raised mat, they'd have a safety net surrounding the platform in case their guys backed up too far. Those days will be over soon. Thankfully.
The most hilarious Oklahoma State wrestling thing was when Gary Kurdelmeier was the Iowa coach. He installed a gigantic mat to lessen the infamous Cowboy edge stalling. 😂
 
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