No picked that up, however the situations aren't really close to being same is all I've been saying. Now if your equating it with this MSU situation and the programs Nassar was actually working with that would be a very similar situation
Any predictions of what is going to Happen to MSU athletics with this doctor?
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Dr. Nassar was given his start in the Sports Medicine field by Bo Schembechler and Michigan Football according to none other than Dr. Nasser's own publicly provided bio while at MSU long before the scandal broke. That is something known as a fact.
They were best friends! We can not stand for this revisionist history.
Well given that Bo knew everything that went on in Ann Arbor, let alone Michigan Football; was the most powerful person in Ann Arbor and nothing happened without his approval....it's pretty clear he knew Dr. Nasser was a pedophile and enabled Nasser via a start in Sports Medicine, Training and Rehabilitation that he used to access and rape his child victims.
On another note, true or false: By launching Larry Nassar's career in sports medicine, Bo Schembechler "enabled" a serial pedophile to sexually violate over 100 defenseless girls.
The NCAA should take away Bo's National Championships..... errr, nevermind....
Bo was the most powerful man in the state, he's even responsible for what happens at MSU!
Lloyd Carr, Mr. "Unnecessary Letters" himself, worked under Bo for years. He was the DB coach, and eventually the DC, just like Sandusky... coincidence?!?!
Given this evidence I think Michigan should lose at least 1/10 of their national titles during Carrrrrr's tenure, leaving Michigan with just 2/5 of a national in nearly 70 years, because let's face it, they aren't winning one this year. All that money spent, all that arrogance, all those crooked calls, all those victims... to rack up national championships at a rate of 0.57% per year.
Michigan State actually did what Penn State was accused of doing.
LARRY NASSAR AND THE LATEST CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE
BY HEATHER SUTFIN | June 3, 2017
Like the Jerry Sandusky sex scandal at Penn State that broke in November of 2011, the signs that something may be wrong were written all over but everyone chose to turn the other cheek when it came to the activities of nationally recognized sports physician Larry Nassar. As early as 1994, young victims began to come forward with allegations of inappropriate touching and penetration at the hands of Dr. Nassar. Allegations that would later be silenced, allowing Nassar to have his way with aspiring Olympic gymnasts on the grounds of Michigan State University with little to no repercussions for his actions.
Nassar’s career in sports medicine grew its roots in 1986 when he worked as an athletic trainer for USA Gymnastics, the governing body over the sport within the US. Nassar later advanced within the organization, taking rank as not only the chief medical coordinator but the USA team doctor between 1996 to 2015.
Nassar made a name for himself as the official doctor of the USA Olympic team and those aspiring to make it there. His services were so sought after that he attracted the attention of Twistars, a highly revered gymnastics club located in Lansing, MI, and Nassar would become the official doctor associated with the company. After completing his residency in 1997, Dr. Nassar’s work would also catch the attention of Michigan State University, where he worked until 2016 when the scandal broke.
The first charges brought against Nassar were in 2014, when a young woman who attended the University sought out Nassar for medical advice on a hip injury. During the examination, the unidentified young woman alleged that she found Nassar’s behavior highly inappropriate, asking a resident to leave the exam room and becoming visually sexually aroused during the examination. MSU eventually cleared Nassar of these allegations, claiming the woman did not understand the difference between a medical procedure and a sexual assault.
Though this would be the first instance of an alleged victim bringing up charges against Nassar, there had long been whispers of Nassar’s inappropriate and unprofessional activities dating back to the early stages of his career. The nagging question that begs to be answered behind this whole scandal is Why did it take so long for Nassar to be brought up on criminal charges? To answer that question, we first have to understand the conspiracy of silence that takes hold and allows men like Nassar, Sandusky, and others to carry out their inappropriate activities undetected or even ignored.
According to witness statements, many of Nassar’s victims, whose ages ranged from as young as 6-years-old to their early 20s, had been vocal about the abuse they had suffered at the hands of Nassar. In nearly every instance until 2016, when Nassar was brought up on charges in regards to these allegations, the victims were either not believed or told to keep quiet for fear it would impact their career.
We’ve seen this pattern occur time and time again in these sexual abuse scandals. Men like Jimmy Savile and Jerry Sandusky were allowed to continue on with their inappropriate behavior because they were well-respected members of their communities and many feared that if the allegations against them came to light then there would be negative consequences to be suffered, such as funding cuts or the deterioration of charitable programs.
Like Sandusky at Penn State, MSU is currently embroiled in the charges that have been brought up against Nassar, which not only include sexually abusing his patients but a federal inditement for receiving or attempting to receive child pornography while he had been employed by the university. In both of these instances, it is clear that the institutions that had been aligned with both Sandusky and Nassar were more concerned with protecting their brand and reputation than protecting the victims of these predators.
Until individuals or institutions have the empathy to recognize that the needs of the victims in these cases are more important than their own reputations, then we will continue to see these scandals come to light many years after the initial allegations are made against the perpetrators in these cases.
We also have the obligation to give victims, especially child victims, the benefit of the doubt in these cases and to file reports immediately in order to see that a thorough investigation is conducted, in spite of what negative consequences may come out of those actions. While it may be hard to sacrifice a possible career, it is far more detrimental to a victim to not be believed and to never see justice for the abuse they have suffered at the hands of a trusted individual.
Currently, the trial against Nassar is underway. In spite of many attempts by Nassar’s victims to speak out, it wouldn’t be until detectives, who had been investigating Nassar for possible ties to child pornography, found a hard drive full of images that any charges were brought against the former doctor. As many as 49 women have since come forward to testify against the disgraced sports physician. Nassar has denied all of the allegations against him but has failed to offer any reason why anyone should believe in his innocence.
The NCAA will place sanctions against Penn State for not properly mentoring a fellow Big10 institution to learn from Penn State's mistakes. Clearly this was Joe's fault.
I hate to keep bringing this up, but for a mom to be in the exam room - witness Nassar having an erection with her daughter and rationalize it as something different - this is pretty stunning. Podcast & article here:
http://michiganradio.org/post/how-socially-skilled-child-molesters-get-us-ignore-red-flags
http://michiganradio.org/post/how-socially-skilled-child-molesters-get-us-ignore-red-flags
Well I read about half of this post. Nasser an MSU will ultimately pay big money and Nasser will go to jail. But nothing that happens to them will change anything with PSU. Unfortunately NO ONE including A-9 has accomplished anything to change the public narrative.
NCAA declared total victory vs PSU and Paterno family. Donald Remy said Paternos dropping suit = proof that NCAA was justified in their approach to PSU and JVP.
If that's the case, then someone needs to ask Mark Emmert in a public forum when the NCAA will issue their most punitive package of measures of all time vs MSU for enabling the most active pedophile in NCAA history.
Heck, maybe someone should sue the NCAA for allowing this to happen. Make them responsible for JS and Larry Nassar. Especially if they claim jurisdiction for punishing PSU and MSU for JS and LN.
If that's the case, then someone needs to ask Mark Emmert in a public forum when the NCAA will issue their most punitive package of measures of all time vs MSU for enabling the most active pedophile in NCAA history.
Heck, maybe someone should sue the NCAA for allowing this to happen. Make them responsible for JS and Larry Nassar. Especially if they claim jurisdiction for punishing PSU and MSU for JS and LN.
When does lou anna simon get fired? This is the worst scandal in the history of college athletics, and it happened under her watch.
Who is the high profile women's coach? I agree they learned not to eat their own from PSU, but who is the women's coach that was an icon?
Nothing. In fact, when discussed on the news, they very rarely mention the words "Michigan State U." This is a USOC women's gymnastics scandal, not a MSU scandal. They ignore everything Nassar did at MSU to MSU athletes, in much the same way the media made it a PSU scandal and ignored TSM.
Bigger fish. No one gives a crap about michigan state. The general public knows nothing about michigan state. Everyone knows Penn State and knew JoePa.
Anyone ever wonder why Pat Narduzzi would leave a successful MSU program out of the blue, with a HC that was near the end of his career... to take a career step backwards at a bottom dweller sort of program like Pitt? Coincidence?
It's hard to tell if/when the Michigan AG is going to proceed with the molestation/abuse charges. The federal plea could hit him with anywhere between 5 and 60 years. If it's the high end, given that Nassar is already 53, I wonder if the Michigan AG will even pursue that case. That could be good news for Lou Anna Simon and Michigan State in avoiding protracted bad publicity for this.
MSU may have dodged the kill shot.
Ex-Team USA doc Larry Nassar to plead guilty to child porn charges
John Barr ESPN.com
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. -- Larry Nassar, the former USA Gymnastics doctor who stands accused of sexually abusing more than 100 of his female patients, has agreed to plead guilty to federal child pornography charges, the latest development in his sprawling legal case.
The agreement, first reported by The Detroit News, relates only to the federal child pornography charges filed in December against Nassar. He has agreed to plead guilty to receiving child pornography, possession of child pornography and charges relating to his attempt to destroy and conceal evidence in the case.
According to the terms of the plea deal, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Michigan has agreed not to prosecute Nassar for the arguably more serious charge of sexually exploiting children, including children he allegedly molested at his home, in his swimming pool and, the agreement states, during "interstate/international travel."
That aspect of the agreement is particularly upsetting to former national team gymnasts who have accused Nassar of sexually abusing them during medical treatments at national and international competitions and at the famed Karolyi ranch run by former national team coaches Bela and Marta Karolyi.
Nassar signed the plea agreement June 23. It has yet to be filed with the court, but Outside the Lines has obtained a copy of the agreement.
"They've told our clients that they are not prosecuting their cases," said John Manly, an attorney based in Irvine, California. Manly and his co-counsels represent more than 90 of Nassar's accusers, a list of clients that includes former Olympians and national team members.
"Many of our clients have spoken to and given evidence to the FBI. They gave that evidence and went through the trauma of reliving their experiences with the expectation that they would get justice," Manly told ESPN when reached by phone Sunday. "Dr. Nassar molested young women at the Olympics. He molested young women at national competitions. And our country is not going to charge him? The message that sends these women is: 'You don't matter.'"
Manly said when news of the plea agreement first broke Friday that he received numerous calls from concerned clients.
"My phone began to ring off the hook with questions from clients that I couldn't answer, like: 'How could they do this to us?'" Manly said. "These girls gave up their childhood to compete for their country, and they deserve better than this. This is cowardly."
More than 100 women have filed complaints with police and signed on to civil lawsuits against Nassar and others, claiming Nassar penetrated them vaginally and, in some cases, rectally without their consent, without gloves and for his own sexual gratification during medical treatments.
The federal plea agreement, if it's accepted by the court, would bring to an end one of four criminal cases against Nassar. The Michigan Attorney General's Office has filed three cases in state court that include 22 charges of first-degree criminal sexual conduct. Nassar could receive life in prison if convicted on the state charges.
Nassar's attorney, Matthew Newburg, would not comment on the plea agreement when reached Sunday by ESPN.
Nassar is expected to formally accept the plea deal during a Tuesday morning hearing in federal court in Grand Rapids.
Under the terms of the agreement, Nassar, 53, will admit that between 2003 and 2016 he downloaded thousands of images and videos of child pornography.
During that period, Nassar, an osteopathic physician, worked as the national medical coordinator for USA Gymnastics and was a fixture at national and international competitions. He also worked as a treating clinician at his alma mater, Michigan State, where he continued to see patients until he was fired by the school Sept. 20.
According to the plea agreement, just days before he was dismissed from Michigan State, Nassar took his work laptop to a service and paid $49 to wipe the computer's files, including the operating system.
On Sept. 20, when police searched Nassar's home in Holt, Michigan, they found four hard drives in a trash can outside his house, two of which contained the label "Larry Nassar Gymnastics," according to testimony from Nassar's December arraignment.
An FBI special agent testified that those hard drives contained approximately 37,000 images and videos of child pornography, with images of girls as young as 6 or 7 years of age engaging in sex acts.
While the court has discretion in the case, sentencing guidelines range from five to 20 years for each count Nassar faces.
That means Nassar could receive a five-year prison sentence if the court determines he should receive the minimum sentences, running concurrently, and that Nassar could receive up to a 60-year sentence if the court gives him the maximum 20-year sentence, running consecutively.
Over the past two weeks, special agents from the FBI and an assistant U.S. attorney have met with former national team gymnasts to explain the terms of the plea agreement, according to two people familiar with those meetings who spoke with Outside the Lines.
In those meetings, the former national team members learned their cases against Nassar would not be prosecuted.
"It just bothered me because all of our molestation cases didn't get justice," one former national team gymnast told Outside the Lines, after meeting with the FBI and federal prosecutors.
"I get it that some girls don't want their identities out there, but everyone that wants him to be charged should have that opportunity," she added.
The former national team gymnast asked ESPN not to use her name because she was instructed by a federal prosecutor not to speak with the media.
The former gymnast said she was also told at the meeting with FBI agents and prosecutors that Nassar would likely be sentenced to at least 25 years for the federal child pornography charges.
"If he gets any less than 25 to 40 years, I would be pissed," the former gymnast said. "He deserves to spend the rest of his life in jail. He doesn't deserve to be around people, especially children."
The former national team member added that she thinks FBI agents and federal prosecutors only met with her and other elite gymnasts to "smooth things over," so the women wouldn't react negatively to the upcoming federal plea agreement.
Ex-Team USA doc Larry Nassar to plead guilty to child porn charges
John Barr ESPN.com
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. -- Larry Nassar, the former USA Gymnastics doctor who stands accused of sexually abusing more than 100 of his female patients, has agreed to plead guilty to federal child pornography charges, the latest development in his sprawling legal case.
The agreement, first reported by The Detroit News, relates only to the federal child pornography charges filed in December against Nassar. He has agreed to plead guilty to receiving child pornography, possession of child pornography and charges relating to his attempt to destroy and conceal evidence in the case.
According to the terms of the plea deal, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Michigan has agreed not to prosecute Nassar for the arguably more serious charge of sexually exploiting children, including children he allegedly molested at his home, in his swimming pool and, the agreement states, during "interstate/international travel."
That aspect of the agreement is particularly upsetting to former national team gymnasts who have accused Nassar of sexually abusing them during medical treatments at national and international competitions and at the famed Karolyi ranch run by former national team coaches Bela and Marta Karolyi.
Nassar signed the plea agreement June 23. It has yet to be filed with the court, but Outside the Lines has obtained a copy of the agreement.
"They've told our clients that they are not prosecuting their cases," said John Manly, an attorney based in Irvine, California. Manly and his co-counsels represent more than 90 of Nassar's accusers, a list of clients that includes former Olympians and national team members.
"Many of our clients have spoken to and given evidence to the FBI. They gave that evidence and went through the trauma of reliving their experiences with the expectation that they would get justice," Manly told ESPN when reached by phone Sunday. "Dr. Nassar molested young women at the Olympics. He molested young women at national competitions. And our country is not going to charge him? The message that sends these women is: 'You don't matter.'"
Manly said when news of the plea agreement first broke Friday that he received numerous calls from concerned clients.
"My phone began to ring off the hook with questions from clients that I couldn't answer, like: 'How could they do this to us?'" Manly said. "These girls gave up their childhood to compete for their country, and they deserve better than this. This is cowardly."
More than 100 women have filed complaints with police and signed on to civil lawsuits against Nassar and others, claiming Nassar penetrated them vaginally and, in some cases, rectally without their consent, without gloves and for his own sexual gratification during medical treatments.
The federal plea agreement, if it's accepted by the court, would bring to an end one of four criminal cases against Nassar. The Michigan Attorney General's Office has filed three cases in state court that include 22 charges of first-degree criminal sexual conduct. Nassar could receive life in prison if convicted on the state charges.
Nassar's attorney, Matthew Newburg, would not comment on the plea agreement when reached Sunday by ESPN.
Nassar is expected to formally accept the plea deal during a Tuesday morning hearing in federal court in Grand Rapids.
Under the terms of the agreement, Nassar, 53, will admit that between 2003 and 2016 he downloaded thousands of images and videos of child pornography.
During that period, Nassar, an osteopathic physician, worked as the national medical coordinator for USA Gymnastics and was a fixture at national and international competitions. He also worked as a treating clinician at his alma mater, Michigan State, where he continued to see patients until he was fired by the school Sept. 20.
According to the plea agreement, just days before he was dismissed from Michigan State, Nassar took his work laptop to a service and paid $49 to wipe the computer's files, including the operating system.
On Sept. 20, when police searched Nassar's home in Holt, Michigan, they found four hard drives in a trash can outside his house, two of which contained the label "Larry Nassar Gymnastics," according to testimony from Nassar's December arraignment.
An FBI special agent testified that those hard drives contained approximately 37,000 images and videos of child pornography, with images of girls as young as 6 or 7 years of age engaging in sex acts.
While the court has discretion in the case, sentencing guidelines range from five to 20 years for each count Nassar faces.
That means Nassar could receive a five-year prison sentence if the court determines he should receive the minimum sentences, running concurrently, and that Nassar could receive up to a 60-year sentence if the court gives him the maximum 20-year sentence, running consecutively.
Over the past two weeks, special agents from the FBI and an assistant U.S. attorney have met with former national team gymnasts to explain the terms of the plea agreement, according to two people familiar with those meetings who spoke with Outside the Lines.
In those meetings, the former national team members learned their cases against Nassar would not be prosecuted.
"It just bothered me because all of our molestation cases didn't get justice," one former national team gymnast told Outside the Lines, after meeting with the FBI and federal prosecutors.
"I get it that some girls don't want their identities out there, but everyone that wants him to be charged should have that opportunity," she added.
The former national team gymnast asked ESPN not to use her name because she was instructed by a federal prosecutor not to speak with the media.
The former gymnast said she was also told at the meeting with FBI agents and prosecutors that Nassar would likely be sentenced to at least 25 years for the federal child pornography charges.
"If he gets any less than 25 to 40 years, I would be pissed," the former gymnast said. "He deserves to spend the rest of his life in jail. He doesn't deserve to be around people, especially children."
The former national team member added that she thinks FBI agents and federal prosecutors only met with her and other elite gymnasts to "smooth things over," so the women wouldn't react negatively to the upcoming federal plea agreement.
So far this just indicates that the feds (US Attorney) aren't going to pursue the molestation/abuse charges. I would think that the Michigan OAG would still pursue them unless Nassar is sentenced to something near the remainder of his life on the federal pornography charges (and even then, I'm sure they'd want some sort of guilty/no contest plea).
Even so, the guilty pleas would get everything out of the spotlight much quicker for MSU. I do think that Lou Anna Simon will retire/resign at the end of all this instead of being removed outright (not that anyone really seems to care).
Forgetting the MSU angle here, this really is sad if they don't prosecute this guy on the molestation charges. I don't care if he gets life in prison on the pornography, that shouldn't eliminate him getting prosecuted for the other crimes he committed. So it doesn't matter if you kill a bunch of people if you get prosecuted for one and you're older? These girls should be furious.
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Given that Nassar is actually pleading guilty to very serious charges, one of two things I think is happening:
1) He's made a deal with the feds and the Michigan OAG to eventually plea to all charges and be sentenced to a term where he has a reasonable chance of getting out during his natural life and/or some sort of considerations during incarceration
2) He agreed with the feds to plead to the pornography charges (where the feds seem to have significant physical evidence) if they would not pursue the molestation/abuse charges and agree to a somewhat short term (say 5 to 15 years), and he plans to fight the Michigan OAG on the remaining charges
Given the sheer number of accusers on the remaining charges, I'd say option 1 is the more likely (and for Nassar, smarter) outcome. Pleading guilty can get you sentenced to much less than if you fight charges via a trial (and get convicted, obviously).
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Financially I think MSU's going to take a hit, but USOC/US Gymnastics is probably going to take a lot of it (and their pockets may be just as deep as MSU's, if not moreso).
Reputation-wise, MSU athletics is not on as high a pedestal as PSU Athletics/Paterno was, so there's not as far for them to fall. MSU Athletics already doesn't have much of a reputation, and they're going to keep on not having much of a reputation.
After Sandusky the DOE gave PSU a colonoscopy and levied a fine of $2.4 million. Very few of the violations cited had anything to do with Sandusky. In fact, if the DOE investigated any university using the same fine tooth comb the used for PSU they'd likely find a similar number (if not more) violations.
At MSU there were violations which were contemporaneously reported to the university by female students. If the DOE investigated only those violations it would be bad enough. If they also used their fine tooth comb any resulting fines should be well in excess of $2.4 million. Or maybe they won't do that because the public interest in disparaging a famous coach isn't there.
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