Wow! Highlights of Pats report. This is way worse than anyone thought.

[LTFox14]

The report's details are vast and it's a great read, but here's an outline of the major points that are pulled from its text:

• "Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents' signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. Yet almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed, on Goodell's orders: League executives stomped the tapes into pieces and shredded the papers inside a Gillette Stadium conference room.
• "Some of the Steelers' defensive coaches remain convinced that a deep touchdown pass from Brady to Deion Branch in the January 2005 AFC Championship Game, which was won by the Patriots 41-27, came from stolen signals because Pittsburgh hadn't changed it's signals all year, sources say, and the two teams had played a game in the regular season that Walsh told investigators he believes was taped. "They knew the signals, so they knew when it went in what the coverage was and how to attack it," says a former Steelers coach. "I've had a couple of guys on my teams from New England, and they've told me those things."
• During United States Senator Arlen Specter's investigation into Spygate and how involved the scandal was, he came across several inconsistencies in what NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had provided. In a press conference, Goodell had alleged that there were only six tapes from the Patriots' filming operation and they could only be linked to the 2006 regular season and the 2007 preseason. In Specter's interview with Goodell however, the NFL Commissioner provided that the Patriots' filming operation went back as early as the 2000 NFL season, including several games of the Pittsburgh Steelers, a bulk of tapes linking to AFC East opponents over the years and that along with the destroyed tapes were destroyed notes of the schemes such as the Steelers.
• Former coaches and employees of the Patriots assert that the actual filming was the least of the Patriots' scandals.
• During pre-game warm-ups, low-level Patriots' employees would sneak into their opponent's locker room and steal play sheets detailing the first 20-40 plays scripted by the opposing team. Patriots employees would also sneak through the team's hotel to find playbooks and anything that could aid the Patriots in predicting what their opponent might do. In fact, the Patriots became notorious enough for this that opposing teams would leave out fake play sheets for them to steal.
• NFL destroyed practice tape that showed the Patriots illegally using a player on injured reserve.
• "At Gillette Stadium, the scrambling and jamming of the opponents' coach-to-quarterback radio line -- "small s---" that many teams do, according to a former Pats assistant coach -- occurred so often that one team asked a league official to sit in the coaches' box during the game and wait for it to happen. Sure enough, on a key third down, the headset went out."
• NFL executive vice president of football operations Ray Anderson to sent a letter to all 32 team owners, general managers and head coaches on Sept. 6, 2006, reminding them that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited from the sidelines." Despite this, Patriots continued to cheat via taping. In November 2006, Green Bay Packers security officials caught Matt Estrella shooting unauthorized footage at Lambeau Field. When asked what he was doing, according to notes from the Senate investigation of Spygate that had not previously been disclosed, Estrella said he was with Kraft Productions and was taping panoramic shots of the stadium. He was removed by Packers security.
• "That same year, according to former Colts GM Bill Polian, who served for years on the competition committee and is now an analyst for ESPN, several teams complained that the Patriots had videotaped signals of their coaches. And so the Patriots -- and the rest of the NFL -- were warned again, in writing, before the 2007 season, sources say."
• Several former Patriots coaches insist that without spygate they would have lost a lot more games to AFC East opponents.
• Some coaches regret not tampering with their own signals in order to confuse Belichick and the Patriots' staffers who taped signals, but it was former Patriots' coach, Eric Mangini, that knew exactly what to expect and how to catch them red-handed: "Mangini knew the Patriots did it, so he would have three Jets coaches signal in plays: One coach's signal would alert the players to which coach was actually signaling in the play. Still, Mangini saw it as a sign of disrespect that Belichick taped their signals -- "He's pissing in my face," he told a confidant -- and wanted it to end. Before the 2007 opener, sources say, he warned various Patriots staffers, "We know you do this. Don't do it in our house." Tannenbaum, who declined comment, told team security to remove any unauthorized cameramen on the field.
• During the first half, Jets security monitored Estrella, who held a camera and wore a polo shirt with a taped-over Patriots logo under a red media vest that said: NFL PHOTOGRAPHER 138. With the backing of Jets owner Woody Johnson and Tannenbaum, Jets security alerted NFL security, a step Mangini acknowledged publicly later that he never wanted. Shortly before halftime, security encircled and then confronted Estrella. He said he was with "Kraft Productions." They took him into a small room off the stadium's tunnel, confiscated his camera and tape, and made him wait. He was sweating. Someone gave Estrella water, and he was shaking so severely that he spilled it. "He was shitting a brick," a source says.
• On Monday morning, Estrella's camera and the spy tape were at NFL headquarters on Park Avenue.
• NFL employees classified that the Patriots were borderline "non-compliant" when turning over very little of their tapes and notes to the NFL, and that mysteriously the NFL accepted what the Patriots had given them as the end of their investigation, much to the disappointment of NFL coaches.
• The report cites NFL players, including Hines Ward who could not at the time explain how the Patriots knew what to expect from their opponents at the time, and how it all makes sense now. "Oh, they knew," Ward, now an NBC analyst who didn't return messages for this story, said after Spygate broke. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff."
• Mike Martz, former head coach to the Super Bowlchampion St. Louis Rams, provided that Goodell asked him to not complain about the issues from Spygate to help it die down. "He told me, 'The league doesn't need this. We're asking you to come out with a couple lines exonerating us and saying we did our due diligence,'" says Martz, now 64-years old and out of coaching, during a July interview at his summer cabin in the Idaho mountains.

 

[psu00]

The report's details are vast and it's a great read, but here's an outline of the major points that are pulled from its text:

• "Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents' signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. Yet almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed, on Goodell's orders: League executives stomped the tapes into pieces and shredded the papers inside a Gillette Stadium conference room.
• "Some of the Steelers' defensive coaches remain convinced that a deep touchdown pass from Brady to Deion Branch in the January 2005 AFC Championship Game, which was won by the Patriots 41-27, came from stolen signals because Pittsburgh hadn't changed it's signals all year, sources say, and the two teams had played a game in the regular season that Walsh told investigators he believes was taped. "They knew the signals, so they knew when it went in what the coverage was and how to attack it," says a former Steelers coach. "I've had a couple of guys on my teams from New England, and they've told me those things."
• During United States Senator Arlen Specter's investigation into Spygate and how involved the scandal was, he came across several inconsistencies in what NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had provided. In a press conference, Goodell had alleged that there were only six tapes from the Patriots' filming operation and they could only be linked to the 2006 regular season and the 2007 preseason. In Specter's interview with Goodell however, the NFL Commissioner provided that the Patriots' filming operation went back as early as the 2000 NFL season, including several games of the Pittsburgh Steelers, a bulk of tapes linking to AFC East opponents over the years and that along with the destroyed tapes were destroyed notes of the schemes such as the Steelers.
• Former coaches and employees of the Patriots assert that the actual filming was the least of the Patriots' scandals.
• During pre-game warm-ups, low-level Patriots' employees would sneak into their opponent's locker room and steal play sheets detailing the first 20-40 plays scripted by the opposing team. Patriots employees would also sneak through the team's hotel to find playbooks and anything that could aid the Patriots in predicting what their opponent might do. In fact, the Patriots became notorious enough for this that opposing teams would leave out fake play sheets for them to steal.
• NFL destroyed practice tape that showed the Patriots illegally using a player on injured reserve.
• "At Gillette Stadium, the scrambling and jamming of the opponents' coach-to-quarterback radio line -- "small s---" that many teams do, according to a former Pats assistant coach -- occurred so often that one team asked a league official to sit in the coaches' box during the game and wait for it to happen. Sure enough, on a key third down, the headset went out."
• NFL executive vice president of football operations Ray Anderson to sent a letter to all 32 team owners, general managers and head coaches on Sept. 6, 2006, reminding them that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited from the sidelines." Despite this, Patriots continued to cheat via taping. In November 2006, Green Bay Packers security officials caught Matt Estrella shooting unauthorized footage at Lambeau Field. When asked what he was doing, according to notes from the Senate investigation of Spygate that had not previously been disclosed, Estrella said he was with Kraft Productions and was taping panoramic shots of the stadium. He was removed by Packers security.
• "That same year, according to former Colts GM Bill Polian, who served for years on the competition committee and is now an analyst for ESPN, several teams complained that the Patriots had videotaped signals of their coaches. And so the Patriots -- and the rest of the NFL -- were warned again, in writing, before the 2007 season, sources say."
• Several former Patriots coaches insist that without spygate they would have lost a lot more games to AFC East opponents.
• Some coaches regret not tampering with their own signals in order to confuse Belichick and the Patriots' staffers who taped signals, but it was former Patriots' coach, Eric Mangini, that knew exactly what to expect and how to catch them red-handed: "Mangini knew the Patriots did it, so he would have three Jets coaches signal in plays: One coach's signal would alert the players to which coach was actually signaling in the play. Still, Mangini saw it as a sign of disrespect that Belichick taped their signals -- "He's pissing in my face," he told a confidant -- and wanted it to end. Before the 2007 opener, sources say, he warned various Patriots staffers, "We know you do this. Don't do it in our house." Tannenbaum, who declined comment, told team security to remove any unauthorized cameramen on the field.
• During the first half, Jets security monitored Estrella, who held a camera and wore a polo shirt with a taped-over Patriots logo under a red media vest that said: NFL PHOTOGRAPHER 138. With the backing of Jets owner Woody Johnson and Tannenbaum, Jets security alerted NFL security, a step Mangini acknowledged publicly later that he never wanted. Shortly before halftime, security encircled and then confronted Estrella. He said he was with "Kraft Productions." They took him into a small room off the stadium's tunnel, confiscated his camera and tape, and made him wait. He was sweating. Someone gave Estrella water, and he was shaking so severely that he spilled it. "He was shitting a brick," a source says.
• On Monday morning, Estrella's camera and the spy tape were at NFL headquarters on Park Avenue.
• NFL employees classified that the Patriots were borderline "non-compliant" when turning over very little of their tapes and notes to the NFL, and that mysteriously the NFL accepted what the Patriots had given them as the end of their investigation, much to the disappointment of NFL coaches.
• The report cites NFL players, including Hines Ward who could not at the time explain how the Patriots knew what to expect from their opponents at the time, and how it all makes sense now. "Oh, they knew," Ward, now an NBC analyst who didn't return messages for this story, said after Spygate broke. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff."
• Mike Martz, former head coach to the Super Bowlchampion St. Louis Rams, provided that Goodell asked him to not complain about the issues from Spygate to help it die down. "He told me, 'The league doesn't need this. We're asking you to come out with a couple lines exonerating us and saying we did our due diligence,'" says Martz, now 64-years old and out of coaching, during a July interview at his summer cabin in the Idaho mountains.

If true, Goodell needs removed yesterday and a serious beat down by the league office on the Patriots organization needs to happen. Problem is we all know the NFL will go into damage control for a few days and then sweep this under the rug.

 

[LTFox14]

From new SI article:
At various times over the last decade, at least 19 NFL franchises took precautions against the Patriots that they didn’t take against any other opponent, people who worked for those teams told SI. Those concerns have not waned in the eight years that have passed since the Spygate scandal. The list of safeguards is long and varied. Teams commonly clear out trash cans in their hotel meeting rooms in New England because they believe the Patriots go through them. One longtime head coach said he ran fake plays in his Saturday walkthroughs at Gillette Stadium because he thought the Patriots might be spying on his team. Another team has taken things further: It fled Gillette and found a different place to practice, and on game day it piled trunks of equipment against the double doors in the back of the visitors’ locker room so nobody could get in. That same team kicked the visiting locker room manager out of the office he occupies near the clubhouse.
Teams wonder why ball boys in Foxborough seem to stand closer to opposing coaches than they do anywhere else. It is common for opposing teams to have an employee guard their locker room all day when they visit Foxborough, something they rarely do for other road games. One team that played there in recent years put a padlock on the doors when it arrived on the Saturday before a game.
t least five teams have swept their hotels, locker rooms or coaches’ booths in New England for listening devices, sometimes hiring outside professionals.
Home teams are supposed to provide certain communications equipment, but opponents often don’t trust the Patriots to do it. One team griped to SI that New England supplied a corroded battery pack. Another current head coach brings his own equipment because he doesn’t trust the Patriots to supply anything of quality. A representative of a third team says the Pats provided headset gear that looked “like it had been run over by a lawn mower. Frayed wires, the speaker is all chopped up.
Another team executive says, “Anybody who has gone in there in the last five years will tell you some sort of problem or snag they never hit any other place. They are the worst hosts in football.”

 

[cavic]

I hate Belichick as much as anyone, & I'd like to see him get nailed just for $h!t$ & gigs.

On the other hand, I've had a long day, & I'm too tired of this crap after the 2nd paragraph of the OP. So, NE picked the Steelers signal on the Barnes TD b/c the Pittsburgh didn't change their signals all year? Hell, if true, that's on Pittsburgh. You lose for stupidity. I never played beyond high school, but we changed our signals and indicator calls every damned game. For the life of me, I don't know why this is a story.

 

[lionroar88]

Because they cheated, and continue to do so today. I am so sick and tired of people giving The Patriots and Bellicheat passes on this stuff. They KNOW they are cheating and they know The NFL won't do anything about it, and now, if The NFL does do something they can just go to a judge and the judge will give them a pass.

 

[cavic]

Because they cheated, and continue to do so today. I am so sick and tired of people giving The Patriots and Bellicheat passes on this stuff. They KNOW they are cheating and they know The NFL won't do anything about it, and now, if The NFL does do something they can just go to a judge and the judge will give them a pass.

Maybe so. Like I said though, I read two paragraphs. In those, the accusation is, basically, they stole signs ... and if you're opponent can steal your signs, it's on you

 

[OKC Nittany]

If true, Goodell needs removed yesterday and a serious beat down by the league office on the Patriots organization needs to happen. Problem is we all know the NFL will go into damage control for a few days and then sweep this under the rug.

As soon as goodell destroyed the evidence, he should have been removed. Now that we learn his cover up was far worse than just destroying the evidence (phony investigation, goodell's lies, pressuring Martz to lie, etc) to protect his friend kraft, we have to wonder what, if anything, the other owners knew about it. Was it just goodell helping his buddy, or was he instructed to do it because the owners agreed it was best for the league? If it was just goodell, maybe we can trust the league once he's gone. If it was the owners too, then this is little better than the WWE, and I feel like a fool for believing it was ever real.

As for the writers still throwing around the word integrity as if it has any meaning in this country, they should be reminded that this entire mess would have been avoided had goodell done the right thing the first time around & banned belicheat from the league.

 

[scueng77]

The report's details are vast and it's a great read, but here's an outline of the major points that are pulled from its text:

• "Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents' signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. Yet almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed, on Goodell's orders: League executives stomped the tapes into pieces and shredded the papers inside a Gillette Stadium conference room.
• "Some of the Steelers' defensive coaches remain convinced that a deep touchdown pass from Brady to Deion Branch in the January 2005 AFC Championship Game, which was won by the Patriots 41-27, came from stolen signals because Pittsburgh hadn't changed it's signals all year, sources say, and the two teams had played a game in the regular season that Walsh told investigators he believes was taped. "They knew the signals, so they knew when it went in what the coverage was and how to attack it," says a former Steelers coach. "I've had a couple of guys on my teams from New England, and they've told me those things."
• During United States Senator Arlen Specter's investigation into Spygate and how involved the scandal was, he came across several inconsistencies in what NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had provided. In a press conference, Goodell had alleged that there were only six tapes from the Patriots' filming operation and they could only be linked to the 2006 regular season and the 2007 preseason. In Specter's interview with Goodell however, the NFL Commissioner provided that the Patriots' filming operation went back as early as the 2000 NFL season, including several games of the Pittsburgh Steelers, a bulk of tapes linking to AFC East opponents over the years and that along with the destroyed tapes were destroyed notes of the schemes such as the Steelers.
• Former coaches and employees of the Patriots assert that the actual filming was the least of the Patriots' scandals.
• During pre-game warm-ups, low-level Patriots' employees would sneak into their opponent's locker room and steal play sheets detailing the first 20-40 plays scripted by the opposing team. Patriots employees would also sneak through the team's hotel to find playbooks and anything that could aid the Patriots in predicting what their opponent might do. In fact, the Patriots became notorious enough for this that opposing teams would leave out fake play sheets for them to steal.
• NFL destroyed practice tape that showed the Patriots illegally using a player on injured reserve.
• "At Gillette Stadium, the scrambling and jamming of the opponents' coach-to-quarterback radio line -- "small s---" that many teams do, according to a former Pats assistant coach -- occurred so often that one team asked a league official to sit in the coaches' box during the game and wait for it to happen. Sure enough, on a key third down, the headset went out."
• NFL executive vice president of football operations Ray Anderson to sent a letter to all 32 team owners, general managers and head coaches on Sept. 6, 2006, reminding them that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited from the sidelines." Despite this, Patriots continued to cheat via taping. In November 2006, Green Bay Packers security officials caught Matt Estrella shooting unauthorized footage at Lambeau Field. When asked what he was doing, according to notes from the Senate investigation of Spygate that had not previously been disclosed, Estrella said he was with Kraft Productions and was taping panoramic shots of the stadium. He was removed by Packers security.
• "That same year, according to former Colts GM Bill Polian, who served for years on the competition committee and is now an analyst for ESPN, several teams complained that the Patriots had videotaped signals of their coaches. And so the Patriots -- and the rest of the NFL -- were warned again, in writing, before the 2007 season, sources say."
• Several former Patriots coaches insist that without spygate they would have lost a lot more games to AFC East opponents.
• Some coaches regret not tampering with their own signals in order to confuse Belichick and the Patriots' staffers who taped signals, but it was former Patriots' coach, Eric Mangini, that knew exactly what to expect and how to catch them red-handed: "Mangini knew the Patriots did it, so he would have three Jets coaches signal in plays: One coach's signal would alert the players to which coach was actually signaling in the play. Still, Mangini saw it as a sign of disrespect that Belichick taped their signals -- "He's pissing in my face," he told a confidant -- and wanted it to end. Before the 2007 opener, sources say, he warned various Patriots staffers, "We know you do this. Don't do it in our house." Tannenbaum, who declined comment, told team security to remove any unauthorized cameramen on the field.
• During the first half, Jets security monitored Estrella, who held a camera and wore a polo shirt with a taped-over Patriots logo under a red media vest that said: NFL PHOTOGRAPHER 138. With the backing of Jets owner Woody Johnson and Tannenbaum, Jets security alerted NFL security, a step Mangini acknowledged publicly later that he never wanted. Shortly before halftime, security encircled and then confronted Estrella. He said he was with "Kraft Productions." They took him into a small room off the stadium's tunnel, confiscated his camera and tape, and made him wait. He was sweating. Someone gave Estrella water, and he was shaking so severely that he spilled it. "He was shitting a brick," a source says.
• On Monday morning, Estrella's camera and the spy tape were at NFL headquarters on Park Avenue.
• NFL employees classified that the Patriots were borderline "non-compliant" when turning over very little of their tapes and notes to the NFL, and that mysteriously the NFL accepted what the Patriots had given them as the end of their investigation, much to the disappointment of NFL coaches.
• The report cites NFL players, including Hines Ward who could not at the time explain how the Patriots knew what to expect from their opponents at the time, and how it all makes sense now. "Oh, they knew," Ward, now an NBC analyst who didn't return messages for this story, said after Spygate broke. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff."
• Mike Martz, former head coach to the Super Bowlchampion St. Louis Rams, provided that Goodell asked him to not complain about the issues from Spygate to help it die down. "He told me, 'The league doesn't need this. We're asking you to come out with a couple lines exonerating us and saying we did our due diligence,'" says Martz, now 64-years old and out of coaching, during a July interview at his summer cabin in the Idaho mountains.

Calling magoo!!!!!!

Let me guess magoo, this is nothing right???

 

[Ian]

Wow. Its watergate all over again. We need a John Dean to flip. Can they be impeached? The sheild will do nothing but hide behind it. Kraft, BB and Tommie boy are something else. Of course in NE its another witch hunt. Can the rest of the teams boycott playing the Pats? Someone has to nut up and clean this out. Its the worst scandal in sports, if accurate.

 

[psu00]

Maybe so. Like I said though, I read two paragraphs. In those, the accusation is, basically, they stole signs ... and if you're opponent can steal your signs, it's on you

It's much more than they stole signs. Continue reading.......

 

[bjf1984]

xxx

 

[rudedude]

If teams want revenge then just beat them & hit Brady every given chance

 

[psu00]

If teams want revenge then just beat them & hit Brady every given chance

True. But if half of what's been printed in the article is true- illegally videotaping teams signals after repeatedly being told to stop, breaking into locker rooms and visiting team hotels to steal game play sheets and playbooks, etc then the league has to.: 1. Fire Goodell and 2. Bring down the hammer on the Patriots organization, Bellichek (sp?), and maybe even Kraft depending on his involvement or knowledge. If the league (mainly the other owners) just lets this go then it loses all of the little credibility it had left.

 

[Bushwood CC]

From new SI article:
At various times over the last decade, at least 19 NFL franchises took precautions against the Patriots that they didn’t take against any other opponent, people who worked for those teams told SI. Those concerns have not waned in the eight years that have passed since the Spygate scandal. The list of safeguards is long and varied. Teams commonly clear out trash cans in their hotel meeting rooms in New England because they believe the Patriots go through them. One longtime head coach said he ran fake plays in his Saturday walkthroughs at Gillette Stadium because he thought the Patriots might be spying on his team. Another team has taken things further: It fled Gillette and found a different place to practice, and on game day it piled trunks of equipment against the double doors in the back of the visitors’ locker room so nobody could get in. That same team kicked the visiting locker room manager out of the office he occupies near the clubhouse.
Teams wonder why ball boys in Foxborough seem to stand closer to opposing coaches than they do anywhere else. It is common for opposing teams to have an employee guard their locker room all day when they visit Foxborough, something they rarely do for other road games. One team that played there in recent years put a padlock on the doors when it arrived on the Saturday before a game.
t least five teams have swept their hotels, locker rooms or coaches’ booths in New England for listening devices, sometimes hiring outside professionals.
Home teams are supposed to provide certain communications equipment, but opponents often don’t trust the Patriots to do it. One team griped to SI that New England supplied a corroded battery pack. Another current head coach brings his own equipment because he doesn’t trust the Patriots to supply anything of quality. A representative of a third team says the Pats provided headset gear that looked “like it had been run over by a lawn mower. Frayed wires, the speaker is all chopped up.
Another team executive says, “Anybody who has gone in there in the last five years will tell you some sort of problem or snag they never hit any other place. They are the worst hosts in football.”

Gee, those "technical difficulties" and "mechanical failures" excuses sound like they could be coming directly from the b1g Turd Front Office regarding the bullshat excuse making and lame rationalizations the b1g Turd released to explain the inexplicable in the PSU - tO$U game last year. What do the organization above and the b1g Turd conference clearly share in regards to their ethos and willingness to say anything and make up any old rationalization or self-serving mischaracterization? A complete lack of respect for the "integrity of the game" which has been crowded out by their massive "win regardless of cost or means" self-interested, rationalize anything, including all manner of deception including lying, cheating and stealing in the name of "the ends justifies the means" and "winning is the only thing that matters even if you have to bend the rules to give yourself an unfair advantage".

 

[Mister Magoo]

Calling magoo!!!!!!

Let me guess magoo, this is nothing right???

Does the term "from the sidelines" mean anything to yinz? You know damn well he's taping from
somewhere else. Which is legal. Change your signs. The bomb to Branch was on the 2nd play
of the game if I recall. Troy P ran out of position and couldn't get back. Cheating...LOL

Was the blocked FG and punt return in 2001 AFCCG the result of cheating? And, the lateral
after the blocked FG?

 

[psufan9808]

I say give the Pats the death penalty. They lose their top 3 draft picks every year for a decade and their salary cap is lowered significantly. They cheat for a decade, the rest of the teams should see them pay the price for a decade. Oh and bye bye commish.

 

[dwiz]

Does the term "from the sidelines" mean anything to yinz? You know damn well he's taping from
somewhere else. Which is legal. Change your signs. The bomb to Branch was on the 2nd play
of the game if I recall. Troy P ran out of position and couldn't get back. Cheating...LOL

Was the blocked FG and punt return in 2001 AFCCG the result of cheating? And, the lateral
after the blocked FG?

The kid was wearing a Patriots polo shirt with duct tape over the Patriots logo underneath and ill-gotten media vest when he got caught videotaping. The guys that interviewed him said he spilled his glass of water he was shaking so bad, and that "he was $hitting himself." Obviously he knew what he was doing was very bad.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Does the term "from the sidelines" mean anything to yinz? You know damn well he's taping from
somewhere else. Which is legal. Change your signs. The bomb to Branch was on the 2nd play
of the game if I recall. Troy P ran out of position and couldn't get back. Cheating...LOL

Was the blocked FG and punt return in 2001 AFCCG the result of cheating? And, the lateral
after the blocked FG?

Probably best to suspend your defense of the Pats. They do not deserve your support on this.

 

[Lions8286]

If nothing else, the Patriots are obviously "in the head" of every team on their home schedule. If every team going to Foxboro has to go to such great lengths to protect themselves, whether true or not, the Pats get an edge.

 

[jrd23psu]

If you're basing whether you think the Patriots are huge cheaters on what ESPN says, then I feel sorry for you. If you even visit their webpage, then I feel sorry for you. If you think you're getting news from ESPN then you're a fool. Anyone who watches ESPN television shows, visits their website, or listens to their radio shows and forms their opinions based on the information they get from those outlets is a fool and they are intellectually bankrupt. If I told you that I read the National Inquirer to get my news you'd say the same thing about me.

 

[lionroar88]

Gee, those "technical difficulties" and "mechanical failures" excuses sound like they could be coming directly from the b1g Turd Front Office regarding the bullshat excuse making and lame rationalizations the b1g Turd released to explain the inexplicable in the PSU - tO$U game last year. What do the organization above and the b1g Turd conference clearly share in regards to their ethos and willingness to say anything and make up any old rationalization or self-serving mischaracterization? A complete lack of respect for the "integrity of the game" which has been crowded out by their massive "win regardless of cost or means" self-interested, rationalize anything, including all manner of deception including lying, cheating and stealing in the name of "the ends justifies the means" and "winning is the only thing that matters even if you have to bend the rules to give yourself an unfair advantage".

BCC - I respect a lot of what you have to contribute, however this has nothing to do with The NFL and The NE Patriots... stay focused on the subject... please.

 

[BBrown]

From new SI article:
At various times over the last decade, at least 19 NFL franchises took precautions against the Patriots that they didn’t take against any other opponent, people who worked for those teams told SI. Those concerns have not waned in the eight years that have passed since the Spygate scandal. The list of safeguards is long and varied. Teams commonly clear out trash cans in their hotel meeting rooms in New England because they believe the Patriots go through them. One longtime head coach said he ran fake plays in his Saturday walkthroughs at Gillette Stadium because he thought the Patriots might be spying on his team. Another team has taken things further: It fled Gillette and found a different place to practice, and on game day it piled trunks of equipment against the double doors in the back of the visitors’ locker room so nobody could get in. That same team kicked the visiting locker room manager out of the office he occupies near the clubhouse.
Teams wonder why ball boys in Foxborough seem to stand closer to opposing coaches than they do anywhere else. It is common for opposing teams to have an employee guard their locker room all day when they visit Foxborough, something they rarely do for other road games. One team that played there in recent years put a padlock on the doors when it arrived on the Saturday before a game.
t least five teams have swept their hotels, locker rooms or coaches’ booths in New England for listening devices, sometimes hiring outside professionals.
Home teams are supposed to provide certain communications equipment, but opponents often don’t trust the Patriots to do it. One team griped to SI that New England supplied a corroded battery pack. Another current head coach brings his own equipment because he doesn’t trust the Patriots to supply anything of quality. A representative of a third team says the Pats provided headset gear that looked “like it had been run over by a lawn mower. Frayed wires, the speaker is all chopped up.
Another team executive says, “Anybody who has gone in there in the last five years will tell you some sort of problem or snag they never hit any other place. They are the worst hosts in football.”

I don't understand why none of this was brought up before? Its huge but it should have been put out there after spygate and def. doing deflate gate. Heck all they had to do was have an anonymous tip go to TMZ. It would be all over the place.
Is everyone so afraid of the Patriots and Robert Kraft?

 

[BBrown]

Maybe so. Like I said though, I read two paragraphs. In those, the accusation is, basically, they stole signs ... and if you're opponent can steal your signs, it's on you

If it were just limited to stealing signs I would probably agree with you. Its incredibly poor sportsmanship but its on the opposing team to change it up. As for the other stuff. Frankly its Breaking and Entering and way worse than stealing signs.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Haha...my favorite new t-shirt for the upcoming season:

 

[Still in State College]

I don't really have a comment on what NE did or didn't do. I just wrap my head around the attitude of everybody does it, change your signals if you don't want them stolen, etc. As a society we really need to examine ourselves.

 

[LTFox14]

No everybody does not do it. That is a talking point to excuse their behavior. They were breaking into hotel rooms. The SI report states that teams prepare to go to New England differently because of all the other shenanigans. Teams bring their own drinks to New England because their drinks that New England provides are usually late and/or warm. Really. Do they really need to do that. Belicheck should no longer be considered for the hall of fame. He has real problems and Tommy is Robin to his Batman. If I were an owner I would look to have Kraft removed from the league and maybe that would send a message to Tommy and Belicheck. The NFL starting tomorrow needs to remove the special little bubble that Tommy enjoys in the pocket and let him get hit like Roethlisberger gets hit every week. He will not last half a season. and he will cry and become way less effective because when he has to move out of the pocket he is not the same QB. I would like to see him get hit like Roethlisberger. Get up and wine to the refs like he always does and see the refs throw the flag and hit Tommy with an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Wouldn't that throw a damper on that smile he had coming out of the court room.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

No everybody does not do it. That is a talking point to excuse their behavior. They were breaking into hotel rooms. The SI report states that teams prepare to go to New England differently because of all the other shenanigans. Teams bring their own drinks to New England because their drinks that New England provides are usually late and/or warm. Really. Do they really need to do that. Belicheck should no longer be considered for the hall of fame. He has real problems and Tommy is Robin to his Batman. If I were an owner I would look to have Kraft removed from the league and maybe that would send a message to Tommy and Belicheck. The NFL starting tomorrow needs to remove the special little bubble that Tommy enjoys in the pocket and let him get hit like Roethlisberger gets hit every week. He will not last half a season. and he will cry and become way less effective because when he has to move out of the pocket he is not the same QB. I would like to see him get hit like Roethlisberger. Get up and wine to the refs like he always does and see the refs throw the flag and hit Tommy with an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Wouldn't that throw a damper on that smile he had coming out of the court room.

In fairness, a lot of great QB's throughout the years have enjoyed such a bubble...Marino, Aikman, Montana to name a few. QB's like Big Ben and Elway take a lot more hits because over time refs have acknowledged the fact that part of their game is/was extending plays and thus opening themselves up for more shots. To that end, a penalty should be a penalty regardless of who's in the pocket, but Brady isn't the first (and won't be the last) to enjoy a little extra protection from the zebras.

 

[no1lion99]

Wow. Its watergate all over again. We need a John Dean to flip. Can they be impeached? The sheild will do nothing but hide behind it. Kraft, BB and Tommie boy are something else. Of course in NE its another witch hunt. Can the rest of the teams boycott playing the Pats? Someone has to nut up and clean this out. Its the worst scandal in sports, if accurate.

Hm. Where have I heard this before.....ppl read an anonymously sourced "report" and jump to all kinds of conclusions....sounds familiar.

P.S. The great and mighty Ward couldn't explain something, and somehow people are treating this as evidence? Even our buddy Freeh would laugh at that garbage.

 

[LionDeNittany]

"If it was the owners too, then this is little better than the WWE, and I feel like a fool for believing it was ever real."

These are businesses with the intent to maximize revenues. If you think it was ever anything more than that I'm surprised.

LdN