Where we stand with Recruits 4/18

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  1. bmw199

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    Hi Everyone! Been extra busy the last year or so and haven’t had time to do these and keep track of things like in the past, but with the biggest recruiting weekend since the 2017 white out coming up this weekend, I thought I would share what I do have. I will start with listing currently known visitors for this weekend then give a breakdown of some of my rankings. (FYI, I know I am missing 1 official visitors but I am not sure who they are at this time. I will edit this post and update throughout the weekend.)
    Blue White visitors:
    • 2019 Official: 4* ATH Wilson, 4* S Rudolph, 5/4* RB Ford, 5* LB Pappoe, 5* DE Harrison, 4* CB Davis, 4* ATH Kelly, 4* ATH Thompkins, 4/3* CB Burrell, 4* ATH Weston
    • 2019 Un-Official: 5/4* DL Alfano, 4* OT Truss, 4* OG Wallace, 4* TE Billingsley, 4* DT Johnson, 3* OG Moore, 3* LB White, 3* DE Ojabo, 3* JUCO S Brisker, 3* ATH Tate, 4* S Hellams
    • 2020: 5* WR Fleming, 5* DE Bresee, 4* WR Jarrett, 4* DT Williams, 4* CB Hill
    • 2021: 5* S Davis, 5* OL Tengwall
    Franklin never ceases to amaze… Honestly, every time we have a crazy recruiting weekend, I’m like, “It can’t get better than this.” Franklin apparently won’t rest until he has the entire top 100 on campus and he appears to have the talent to do it. It is a great time to be a Penn State fan.

    As far as my rankings right now go, Smith is rumored to be a commit already. Which isn’t that shocking since it seems like he has brought everyone even slightly related to him with him on his many visits to State College. Wormley, OL MVP of the NJ OPENING event, tweeted yesterday that he is committed but didn’t say to who. Penn State seems like the over whelming favorite for Truss, Wallace, Metchie, Wilson, and Rudolph. Wilson and Rudolph could both decide soon but also have a bunch of visits lined up so it will be very interesting to see how DB recruiting goes down in this class being that we already have 1 and a few others highly interested: Cine, Brisker, Porter Jr., a contingent of GA/southern athletes, and an outside shot at Dematha’s Hellams, and Cross.

    Ford will be on campus this weekend for an official (if you want to see something pretty hilarious check out Nana Asiedu’s twitter where he “atted” Michael Vick for tweeting about Ford going to Tech). Cain will official next weekend at PSU. While both are probably favored to go elsewhere, it has been a long time and conditions were very different the last time Franklin struck out on two players at a position on need. I’ll put my money on Franklin getting one of them.

    From there on there is a crazy amount of fluidity in the targets of Penn State in my opinion. One week you’ll think Quinn Carroll is in the ‘have to get really lucky’ category, next thing you know he is official visiting. Then, you’ll think Wete and Dalcourt are locks if we want them and you see nothing on them and Penn State. Lastly, there is the lack of in state offers. All of this I think can be attributed to the low number of currently available scholarships for the class of 2019. There still needs to be attrition, of 2 players, for the fall of 2018 to even get that class in. There is no doubt that a good season this year will see a number of players jump to play professionally on Sundays (McGovern, Bates, Reid, Johnson, Sanders, and believe it or not Gillikin could all go), and a few grad transfers from guys running out of eligibility who have already graduated but are not in the rotation. There will certainly be more clarity as the season goes on.

    Commit Watch (if it ended today):
    5* LB Smith, 5/4* DL Alfano, 4* OT Truss, 4* OG Wallace, 4* WR Metchie, 4* ATH Wilson, 4* S Rudolph, 3* OG Wormley, 3* LB White, 3* DE Ojabo

    Very Good Chance:
    4* S Cine, 5/4* RB Ford, 4* DL Faucheux, 4* DE Isaac, 3* JUCO S Brisker, 3* DT Harrison-Hunte

    In The Battle:
    5* DE Harrison, 5* LB Pappoe, 5* RB Cain, 4* OT Carroll, 4* WR Bell, 4* DE Wete, 4* ATH Kelly, 4* TE Foskey, 4* CB Davis, 4* LB Ekwonu, 4* TE Billingsley, 4* DJ Turner II, 4* ATH Thompkins, 4* OT Dalcourt, 4* LB Dixon, 4/3* CB Porter Jr, 4/3* CB Burrell, 3* RB Robinson, 3* RB Houston, 3* WR C. Johnson, 3* OG Moore, 3* WR Engram

    Work Left To Do:
    5* OT Dobbs, 4* ATh Hellams, 4* OG Putnam, 4* CB Jones, 4* OT Olmstead, 4* S Cross, 4* DL Hunter, 4* S Pola-Gates, 4* OG Correll, 4* DT Johnson, 4* CB Fields, 4* DL Beamon, 3* WR Q. Johnson

    Have To Get Really Lucky:
    5* OT Wright, 4* TE Henry, 4* DE Jackson, 4* LB Brooks, 4* LB Stover, 4 * OT Keegan, 4* DT Smith
     
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  2. bmw199

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    Yea it's in there. I will highlight in blue.
     
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    Was it highlighted in white before?;)
    Thanks for this, beemer. I look forward to it and your updates.
     
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    If we get everybody on commit watch that would fill up most of the class. I think the staff can afford to be very selective.
     
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    Maybe something like this...

    QB Roberson
    RB Robinson/Ford/Cain
    WR Metchie
    TE Billingsly
    OL Truss
    OL Wallace
    OL Wormley

    DE Alfano
    DE Ojabo
    DT Faucheaux
    LB Smith
    LB White
    CB Ellis
    DB Rudolph
    DB Wilson
    DB Brisker/Cine
     
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    Let's say its Ford and Cine, and add Porter Jr. and Isaac: that gives you a 24/7 score of 262. In 2018 that would have been #13 class, #9 in '17, and #12 in '16.

    If we had room for 25 this class would push for #1.
     
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    This thread topic deserves 20 likes from me. Always helpful in wading through the morass of crootin’ news.
     
  8. Judge Smails

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    Great job, as always.

    IMO, I'd move

    UP
    Faucheux
    Brisker
    Moore


    Down
    Ford
    Houston (not a take)
    Engram (not a take)
     
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    Would be very, very happy with that class. Keep in mind that about half those names are in for a big ratings boost. Wouldn't say no to another LB like Lance Dixon or an athlete like Hellams, if we can find room.

    List of PSU offers:
    https://247sports.com/college/penn-state/Season/2019-Football/Offers
     
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    The recruitment of RB Devyn Ford is interesting to me. The RB room at OSU is surely getting crowded as they have already taken commitments from four 4* RBs between the '18 and '19 classes. VTech on the other hand hasn't produced a notable RB prospect in recent memory? It seems like it would make sense for him to commit to PSU and share carries with Slade before becoming the featured back in an offense that produces a lot of opportunities for the position.

    With that being said, the Robinson kid from DC seems like an intriguing prospect if all else fails with Ford/Cain.
     
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    Man that is some good info..I really want to get Cine but my crystal ball is cloudy.
     
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    Thanks, bmw, I was looking forward to seeing this post.

    Any idea where a (perceived) depth chart of 2-deep can be found of the current squad? I was only able to find 2017 on the school's website.
    I want to check the depth chart with the number of players entering the season as RS JRs. Looking at the roster from the recent clinic, IIRC, I had 8 with SR or GR eligibility, 16 with JR eligibility with names that didn't ring a bell to my son or I, and 1 we think is going to the NFL following the season who has JR eligibility.
    With some getting the message either following Saturday's game, or throughout next season, I'm thinking the number of available scholarships could be higher than most expect.
    But, I am no expert and don't follow recruiting nearly as close as you and others.
    Again, thanks for the post!

    OL
     
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    Oh damn it’s back. The best PSU recruiting summary on the net.
     
  14. Judge Smails

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    We won't lose much next year, unless players leave early for the NFL.

    Last year of eligibility, starters

    Offense
    QB McSorley
    RT Wright (if he beats out Fries)
    WR Thompkins

    Defense
    LB Farmer
    CB Amani O.
    S Scott
     
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    I have 11 graduating, but we still need to get down 2. Here are the 16 RS Jrs:
    John Reid
    Sterling Jenkins
    Tommy Stevens
    Jarvis Miller
    Ryan Bates
    Ryan Buchholz
    Juwan Johnson
    Stephen Gonzalez
    Jonathan Holland
    Ayron Monroe
    Garrett Taylor
    Robert Windsor
    Shareef Miller
    Nick Bowers
    John Petrishen
    Kevin Givens

    4 true Jrs:
    Connor McGovern (already being mocked to round 1)
    Miles Sanders
    Blake Gillikin
    Cameron Brown

    RS So (draft eligible, but highly unlikely anyone leaves for pros):
    Jake Zembiec
    Daniel Dalton
    Alex Gellerstedt
    Shane Simmons
    Zechariah McPhearson
    Michal Menet
    Will Fries
    Ellison Jordan
    Daniel Joseph
    Shaka Toney
    Antonio Shelton
    Dae'lun Darien
     
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    Welp, Moore gaining CB steam to PSU. I'm guessing he's an unannounced visitor this weekend. Interesting how they work that into the scholarship numbers.
     
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    "3 star" with offers from PSU, FSU, Miami, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, USC, etc.
     
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    Oh, and I think we're in very good shape for Porter Jr. Waiting to see if OSU ever offers, but we're no worse than 50% shot there imo.
     
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    4 OL makes DB recruiting even tighter
     
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    Ford is at the top of my list.
     
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    OT Olmstead, 4*, as a "Work Left To Do" is way too high.

    He has eliminated PSU, (posted a top 5 not including PSU) and has set a decision date with no plans to visit PSU before then. If this is accurate, he would not even be on the board.....
     
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    CJF does not post depth charts during Spring practice. Can't remember if he posted one post-Spring practice last year.

    There are a number of possibilities for early departures to the NFL, posted above, but I'd be surprise if all on that list actually move on after 2018. And there will also likely be a few players that leave before their eligibility expires due to their graduation and inability to crack the 2 deep. One possibility would be Jenkins, who will be in his 4th year at PSU this coming season, but has yet to crack the depth chart, and would seem to be a candidate to move on after the 2018 season.....
     
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    Seems like most of the guys we're recruiting are way undervalued by the recruiting sites but obv big-time prospects.
     
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    Be careful. That's the kind of smoke they look through on the pitt board....
     
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    Hey Judge, question sir.

    So many people feel the recruitnik's are wrong with Ford's lack of interest in PSU. Meaning we got a great shot or he is 'high' on us.

    Others feel we have little or no chance.

    Where exactly do we stand sir and maybe why please?

    I'll hang up and listen to your response.

    Thank you!
     
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    Thanks bmw. fantastic as always.
     
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    One way to gain insight into the depth chart is to look at the way the team is divided for the B/W game. CJF stated that the Blue's are the first team players ("the One's"), with the White being the "two's"....

    So, from the rosters the 1st team LB's (and possibly those in the fight to be starters) would be in order of their numbers: Brown, Farmer, Miller, Parsons, Brooks, Cooper, Darien, Johnson

    1st team Safety's: Scott, Petrishen, Taylor, Monroe

    There looks to be some senior recognition in the Blue team roster and the numbers indicate depth for the Blue as well, but if you are fighting for a starting spot and you are on the White Team, you are running 2nd team at best right now. For example Wade and Sutherland at Safety.

    Surprises to me are Tarburton, Joseph and Handsard on the Blue.

    2018 Penn State Blue Team Roster
    No. Name Pos. Cl./El. Ht. Wt.
    1 Hamler, KJ WR So./Fr. 5-9 172
    2 Stevens, Tommy * QB Sr./Jr. 6-5 232
    3 Johnson, Donovan CB So./Fr. 5-9 185
    3 Thompkins, DeAndre *** WR Gr./Sr. 5-11 191
    4 Scott, Nick *** S 5th/Sr. 5-11
    5 Castro-Fields, Tariq * CB So./ So. 6-0 186
    6 Brown, Cam ** LB Jr./Jr. 6-5 222
    7 Farmer, Koa *** LB Gr./Sr. 6-1 236
    8 Allen, Mark * RB Gr./Sr. 5-6 187
    9 McSorley, Trace *** QB 5th/Sr. 6-0 198
    9 Miller, Jarvis ** LB Sr./Jr. 6-2 215
    10 Polk, Brandon ** WR Sr./Jr. 5-9 171
    11 Parsons, Micah LB Fr./Fr. 6-3 241
    12 Hippenhammer, Mac WR So./Fr. 5-11 170
    13 Brooks, Ellis LB So./Fr. 6-1 234
    14 Clifford, Sean QB So./Fr. 6-2 211
    16 Petrishen, John S Sr./Jr. 6-0 204
    17 Taylor, Garrett ** S Sr./Jr. 6-0 200
    18 Holland, Jonathan ** TE/H Sr./Jr. 6-4 247
    18 Toney, Shaka * DE Jr./So. 6-3 224
    19 Brown, Torrence *** DE 5th/Sr. 6-3 257
    20 Thomas, Johnathan * RB Gr./Sr. 5-11 215
    20 Butler, Jabari CB Sr./Jr. 5-11 182
    21 Oruwariye, Amani *** CB Gr./Sr. 6-1 204
    23 Monroe, Ayron ** S Sr./Jr. 5-11 202
    24 Sanders, Miles ** RB Jr./Jr. 5-11 211
    29 Reid, John ** CB Sr./Jr. 5-10 189
    30 Givens, Kevin ** DT Sr./Jr. 6-1 275
    33 Cooper, Jake *** LB Sr./Sr. 6-1 235
    34 Simmons, Shane * DE Jr./So. 6-3 246
    36 Johnson, Jan LB Sr./Jr. 6-2 236
    41 Darien, Dae’Lun * LB Jr./So. 6-4 212
    42 Jordan, Ellison * DT Jr./So. 6-0 295
    46 Tarburton, Nick DE Fr./Fr. 6-3 243 .
    48 Miller, Shareef ** DE Sr./Jr. 6-5 256
    49 Joseph, Daniel DE Jr./So. 6-3 248
    52 Bates, Ryan ** OL Sr./Jr. 6-4 305
    53 Hansard, Fred DT So./Fr. 6-3 315
    54 Windsor, Robert ** DT Sr./Jr. 6-4 281 .
    55 Shelton, Antonio DT Jr./So. 6-2 295
    62 Menet, Michal * OL Jr./So. 6-4 301
    64 Simpson, Zach ** OL Sr./Jr. 6-3 294
    66 McGovern, Connor ** OL Jr./Jr. 6-5 320
    71 Fries, Will * OL Jr./So. 6-6 305
    74 Gonzalez, Steven ** OL Sr./Jr. 6-4 336 U.
    77 Wright, Chasz *** OL 5th/Sr. 6-7 346
    80 Dalton, Danny TE/H Jr./So. 6-4 245
    81 Sullivan-Brown, Cam WR So./Fr. 6-0 185
    82 Shoop, Tyler WR Sr./Jr. 5-11 181
    83 Bowers, Nick TE/H Sr./Jr. 6-4 265 .
    84 Johnson, Juwan ** WR Sr./Jr. 6-4 229 .
    93 Gillikin, Blake ** P/K Jr./Jr. 6-2 192
    94 Calcagno, Joe SN So./Fr. 6-0 239
    96 Iyke, Immanuel DT Sr./Jr. 6-2 298
    96 Vasey, Kyle * SN 5th/Sr. 6-2 230
    97 Buchholz, Ryan ** DE Sr./Jr. 6-6 264


    2018 Penn State White Team Roster
    No. Name Pos. Cl./El. Ht. Wt.
    2 Humphries, Isaiah S Fr./Fr. 6-0 191
    7 Zembiec, Jake QB Jr./So. 6-3 215
    14 McPhearson, Zech * CB Jr./So. 5-11 182
    15 Shuster, Michael QB Jr./So. 6-2 208
    19 Gordon, Trent CB Fr./Fr. 5-11 181
    24 Brown, DJ CB So./Fr. 5-10 181
    25 Faison-Walden, Brelin LB So./Fr. 6-1 212
    26 Sutherland, Jonathan S So./Fr. 5-11 198
    31 Welde, Christopher RB Sr./Jr. 5-7 171
    32 Brown, Journey RB So./Fr. 5-11 197
    35 Neff, Justin S So./Fr. 6-1 194
    37 Hartlaub, Drew S So./Fr. 5-11 177
    38 Wade, Lamont * S So./So. 5-9 196
    39 Di Leo, Frank LB Sr./Jr. 5-9 223
    40 Eury, Nick RB Jr./So. 5-9 211
    40 Luketa, Jesse LB Fr./Fr. 6-3 239 .
    41 Arcangelo, Joe TE/H Sr./Jr. 6-4 253 Abington Heights/Joe Repshis Clarks Summit, Pa.
    44 Franklin, Brailyn LB So./Fr. 6-2 204
    45 DuMond, Joe DE Jr./So. 5-11 243 .
    47 Blair, Will LB Jr./So. 5-11 216
    50 Chizmar, Max LB So./Fr. 6-2 207
    51 Gellerstedt, Alex * OL Jr./So. 6-6 301
    51 Vranic, Jason LB 5th/Sr. 6-0 226
    58 Presta, Evan DT So./Fr. 6-3 272
    68 Kelly, Hunter OL/DL Jr./So. 6-2 299
    69 Thorpe, C.J. OL So./Fr. 6-3 322
    72 Martin, Robbie OL So./Fr. 6-4 273
    73 Miranda, Mike OL So./Fr. 6-3 302
    75 Holmes, Des OL So./Fr. 6-5 306
    76 Jenkins, Sterling OL Sr./Jr. 6-8 343 .
    79 Shuman, Charlie OL 5th/Sr. 6-8 319
    80 Weller, Justin WR So./Fr. 6-0 190
    82 Kuntz, Zack TE/H Fr./Fr. 6-7 232
    83 Hoenstine, Alex WR So./Fr. 6-1 181 .
    85 Lutz, Isaac WR Jr./So. 5-11 185
    89 Maxwell, Colton WR Jr./So. 6-0 189
    90 Barber, Damion DT So./Fr. 6-3 278 .
    91 Stoll, Chris SN So./Fr. 6-2 244
    92 Bolds, Corey DT So./Fr. 6-3 289
    95 Dix, Donnell DE Sr./Sr. 5-10 225 .
    97 Landis, Carson K/P So./Fr. 6-2 196
    98 Curry, Mike SN Sr./Jr. 6-0 215
    98 Vasey, Dan DL/SN So./Fr. 6-4
    99 Gross-Matos, Yetur * DE So./So. 6-5 257
     
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    2020 4* CB, Luke Hill, who is high school teammates with Jarrett and Mekhail Sherman will now be coming up this weekend too. Jarrett seems sold on PSU, so this is big that he is bringing his top 75 friend along with. No word if Sherman is coming too, but Ryan Snyder says "group of prospects" in a tweet. Got to believe St. Johns is the best high school team in the country the next two years.


     
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    The amount of talent that JF is able to bring to campus, even if just for visits, is like nothing we've ever seen before. It's funny, but we always thought we were big-time before, but we've never been close to this kind of high-talent interest in the modern era.
     

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