You are asking the wrong person. You need to direct this to WPTLION. I was asking him a question alsoHow long after? What did he/she die of? Was it related to the vaccine? A history of allergic reactions?
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You are asking the wrong person. You need to direct this to WPTLION. I was asking him a question alsoHow long after? What did he/she die of? Was it related to the vaccine? A history of allergic reactions?
Im sure that’s part of it. But there is also concern vaccinated people can still carry the virus in their nostrils and then sneeze it out, and infect people that way. I dont believe that scenario is very likely, but I’ll still wear my mask in public until the CDC gives the all clear.
It was meant as follow ups to your question.You are asking the wrong person. You need to direct this to WPTLION. I was asking him a question also
1.8M shots yesterday so total up to 53.80M with the 7 day rolling average at 1.68M. 76.8% of shots administered is the national average, 11.8% of population with 1+ dose (note this is percent of population that has been given 1 or 2 doses, so total percent that have been pricked by a needle), 4.4% with double dose. So far, 38.8 million have received at least one dose. At least 14.5 million people have completed the two-dose vaccination regimen.
Doses delivered is 70.0M compared to yesterday 69.85M. 9.96 doses recorded delivered last week (I assume that was the target 10M doses discussed by the admin). 9.4M doses delivered last week. Week will flip to start fresh tomorrow. Heard on news last week that it was expected to increase to 11M doses per week so will see if that occurs this week.
64,297 positives reported yesterday compared to 91,215 week over week. 7-day rolling average as such continues it's downward trend to 92,487. Sunday always a low reporting day but not been that low since late October.
Fatality was 1111 compared to 2272 yesterday and 1315 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 2569.
For Hospitalizations, Total hospitalizations in USA with Covid is 67,023 down from yesterday 69,283.
Feels like we are seeing light at the end of the tunnel?
Poor guy will probably get cancelled now. Did he say anything about schools opening? As a children’s expert he would be the guy that knows.The head Covid doctor for Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (considered the best Children's Hospital in the world, so somebody he knows what he is talking about and was very impressive) was on last night. To paraphrase, he mentioned a study in November on antibody testing that showed 3-4 times the antibodies found versus positives such postulating that since 28M people have tested positive that somewhere around 100M people have probably been infected. He said then add to that the 40M people that have had at least one shot of vaccine and you are in the 125M+ range of people that have some level of antibodies and he said that value, which he believed to be realistically true, is the start of herd immunity and why we are seeing the numbers going down.
He also mentioned that as of now, the variants should not worry people. That if you have antibodies from previous infection or vaccine, that the variants might get you infected and slightly sick (he said think sick like a common cold) but that the data shows that no severe sickness (that would lead to a hospital stay or fatality) will occur which is the most important.
So this guy was very bullish that if we can keep up the vaccine rate, that we are going to beat this thing and the numbers will keep going down.
Poor guy will probably get cancelled now. Did he say anything about schools opening? As a children’s expert he would be the guy that knows.
One hundred million exposed is a big number. Since this has been going around since Nov of 2019 it’s possible. So a third have antibodies now. Remove the under 16 yrs old that rarely get it and that number is even better.
Don’t think that is close to herd immunity but since it is the most at risk that have been vaccinated and logic would say that the most at risk are most likely to have been exposed/with antibodies, then it makes sense that spread and sickness are in decline.
No comment about schools opening?he didn't say it was 'herd immunity' he said it was the START of herd immunity and that is why we are seeing the numbers across all metrics come down, coupled with the vaccination of the high risk proceeding at a very good pace. Herd immunity isn't a light switch that turns on one day, it is gotten to gradually over time. There is a starting point and and eventual ending point and we are at the staring point now. The guy had all the numbers immediately at hand and spoke very well, really impressive.
How long after? What did he/she die of? Was it related to the vaccine? A history of allergic reactions?
It’s a good thing none of the vaccines are gene therapy then. But you should see how good my 5G reception after receiving the first Moderna injection. Amazing stuff.
he didn't say it was 'herd immunity' he said it was the START of herd immunity and that is why we are seeing the numbers across all metrics come down, coupled with the vaccination of the high risk proceeding at a very good pace. Herd immunity isn't a light switch that turns on one day, it is gotten to gradually over time. There is a starting point and and eventual ending point and we are at the staring point now. The guy had all the numbers immediately at hand and spoke very well, really impressive.
Except they are...at least the two that are currently being used. J&J is not, there is actually virus in that. Not sure about the others that are coming.
My point was you can't get herd immunity from something that doesn't give you immunity. How can you have immunity if you can still spread it? If they want everyone to get it and it created immunity tell everyone when they get it they can lose the mask and no more social distancing. Now if you want to say people who have the shot won't get sick or as sick if they get it then you can get to herd immunity after they get it.
Really strange because the vaccine has no virus in it so it couldn’t have caused Covid. Perhaps he got it prior to second shot as first shot gives only 50% immunity. Or it was some kind of reaction to the shot.....or even nothing to do with shot but coincidental. This needs further research to understand just what happened.The day after the second shot, the person(26 year old, male, healthy, no underlying conditions) Lost sense of taste and couldn't breath. Went to hospital, put on ventilator. Hospital said no way he has covid. Did a test, had it(apparently) 4 days later died. (this was an employees brother) Doctor said some people immune system can't handle the second shot. He had no issues with the first. If a Doctor is saying this(at UPMC Susquehanna) why is no one talking about it. I will say UPMC has been the one hospital group not buying into everything that has been put out on the virus.
Except they are...at least the two that are currently being used. J&J is not, there is actually virus in that. Not sure about the others that are coming.
Really strange because the vaccine has no virus in it so it couldn’t have caused Covid. Perhaps he got it prior to second shot as first shot gives only 50% immunity. Or it was some kind of reaction to the shot.....or even nothing to do with shot but coincidental. This needs further research to understand just what happened.
Very sorry to hear about your friend’s loss.
And what "evidence" do you have that the mRNA shots don't give you any immunity, and that the mRNA vaccines still don't prevent spreading the virus to others?
But they aren't. I know it's a fun thing for the anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists to harp on, but mRNA vaccines simply are not gene therapy since they don't interact with DNA.
Both J&J and AstraZeneca use deactivated adenovirus (common cold ) as the delivery mechanism.
Well what "evidence" do you have that they do? Ummm listen to Fauci he said you can still spread it. I mean he is GOD right? I've heard ZERO people talk about not being able to spread it. So if you can spread it and get it you aren't immune.
But the aren't vaccines....very similar to Richard Levine...you can say he's a woman but he's not. Just because someone says its a vaccine doesn't make it one when it doesn't make you immune. The J&J and AZ based on everything I heard are....and they sound like they have the same success rate as the flu shot.
No comment about schools opening?
Well what "evidence" do you have that they do? Ummm listen to Fauci he said you can still spread it. I mean he is GOD right? I've heard ZERO people talk about not being able to spread it. So if you can spread it and get it you aren't immune.
But the aren't vaccines....very similar to Richard Levine...you can say he's a woman but he's not. Just because someone says its a vaccine doesn't make it one when it doesn't make you immune. The J&J and AZ based on everything I heard are....and they sound like they have the same success rate as the flu shot.
Fauci has repeatedly said that it is unclear whether COVID can be spread after mRNA vaccination, as has Scott Gottleib, former FDA chair. Put down the crack pipe and get away from Breitbart and OAN.
Dude, CNN and CNBC and other alphabet outlets also spread this fear porn.Fauci has repeatedly said that it is unclear whether COVID can be spread after mRNA vaccination, as has Scott Gottleib, former FDA chair. Put down the crack pipe and get away from Breitbart and OAN.
Covid requires 2 to 14 days to incubate, and it takes 14 days after second dose to get to actual full immunity. This person got covid prior to dose 2 and prior to immunity 14 days later. These two vaccines work by stimulating the body to produce a protein that mimics the virus. There is no virus in the vaccine. It is literally impossible to get covid from the vaccines. There is so much misinformation out there it is unbelievable.The day after the second shot, the person(26 year old, male, healthy, no underlying conditions) Lost sense of taste and couldn't breath. Went to hospital, put on ventilator. Hospital said no way he has covid. Did a test, had it(apparently) 4 days later died. (this was an employees brother) Doctor said some people immune system can't handle the second shot. He had no issues with the first. If a Doctor is saying this(at UPMC Susquehanna) why is no one talking about it. I will say UPMC has been the one hospital group not buying into everything that has been put out on the virus.
It has to be Dr Paul Offit , and I have posted multiple links here already on him . He is firmly in the schools should be open category .No comment about schools opening?
0.8M shots yesterday so total up to 54.61M with the 7 day rolling average at 1.64M. 78.0% of shots administered is the national average, 11.9% of population with 1+ dose (note this is percent of population that has been given 1 or 2 doses, so total percent that have been pricked by a needle), 4.5% with double dose. So far, 39.2 million have received at least one dose. At least 14.9 million people have completed the two-dose vaccination regimen. Obviously the weather was a major issue yesterday as that is a lowest single daily total in a month.
Doses delivered is 70.0M compared to yesterday 70.0M. So no doses delivered recorded. 9.96 doses delivered last week, 9.4M doses delivered week before.
52,785 positives reported yesterday compared to 90,326 week over week. 7-day rolling average as such continues it's downward trend to 87,603. So I assume the same issue with vaccines was in positive results yesterday as that number is crazy low as if that is real that is lowest daily total since mid October.
Fatality was 954 compared to 1111 yesterday and 1578 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 2481.
For Hospitalizations, Total hospitalizations in USA with Covid is 65,455 down from yesterday 67,023.
So will be very interesting how this week plays out as was yesterday all about the weather in middle of the country or was there just a large step change occur.
It has to be Dr Paul Offit , and I have posted multiple links here already on him . He is firmly in the schools should be open category .
There have been delays in shipping the vaccine this week due to the weather, but I'd imagine that rebounds fast.
But the aren't vaccines....very similar to Richard Levine...you can say he's a woman but he's not. Just because someone says its a vaccine doesn't make it one when it doesn't make you immune. The J&J and AZ based on everything I heard are....and they sound like they have the same success rate as the flu shot.
Well what "evidence" do you have that they do? Ummm listen to Fauci he said you can still spread it. I mean he is GOD right? I've heard ZERO people talk about not being able to spread it. So if you can spread it and get it you aren't immune.
But the aren't vaccines....very similar to Richard Levine...you can say he's a woman but he's not. Just because someone says its a vaccine doesn't make it one when it doesn't make you immune. The J&J and AZ based on everything I heard are....and they sound like they have the same success rate as the flu shot.
Well what "evidence" do you have that they do? Ummm listen to Fauci he said you can still spread it. I mean he is GOD right? I've heard ZERO people talk about not being able to spread it. So if you can spread it and get it you aren't immune.
But the aren't vaccines....very similar to Richard Levine...you can say he's a woman but he's not. Just because someone says its a vaccine doesn't make it one when it doesn't make you immune. The J&J and AZ based on everything I heard are....and they sound like they have the same success rate as the flu shot.
Great news! Just like I was telling you in Dec!yeah, hopefully mother nature plays nice here the next month and milds out some so we don't have these issues around the country with cold and snow that set things back a few days. at the same time, very cold and snow also act sort of like a lockdown as nobody is doing anything but staying home in those areas, so i think it balances out a little bit in some respect.
I am really anxious to see the numbers rest of week to see if the last few days are weather related reporting or real numbers as if they are real, then wow. I mean if these are real, and J&J gets approved next week and start shipping out first week of March, and March weather holds up such that we can average 2M per day of vaccines, we can break Covid's back by end of March and put it to bed in April/May.
The definition of immunity says nothing about the ability of the immune person to prevent the transfer the infection to another person. The antibody and associated immune response seen by the mRNA vaccines far exceeds the levels seen in the wild infections.My point was you can't get herd immunity from something that doesn't give you immunity. How can you have immunity if you can still spread it? If they want everyone to get it and it created immunity tell everyone when they get it they can lose the mask and no more social distancing. Now if you want to say people who have the shot won't get sick or as sick if they get it then you can get to herd immunity after they get it.
Well what "evidence" do you have that they do? Ummm listen to Fauci he said you can still spread it. I mean he is GOD right? I've heard ZERO people talk about not being able to spread it. So if you can spread it and get it you aren't immune.
But the aren't vaccines....very similar to Richard Levine...you can say he's a woman but he's not. Just because someone says its a vaccine doesn't make it one when it doesn't make you immune. The J&J and AZ based on everything I heard are....and they sound like they have the same success rate as the flu shot.
1) The mRNA vaccines do induce production of antibodies to increase your immune response. A brief summary of the antibodies levels for Moderna’s vaccine can be found at https://www.fda.gov/media/144583/download (see slides 24 -26). It is patently false to claim that “you need the virus to build antibodies”.
The day after the second shot, the person(26 year old, male, healthy, no underlying conditions) Lost sense of taste and couldn't breath. Went to hospital, put on ventilator. Hospital said no way he has covid. Did a test, had it(apparently) 4 days later died. (this was an employees brother) Doctor said some people immune system can't handle the second shot. He had no issues with the first. If a Doctor is saying this(at UPMC Susquehanna) why is no one talking about it. I will say UPMC has been the one hospital group not buying into everything that has been put out on the virus.
My point was you can't get herd immunity from something that doesn't give you immunity. How can you have immunity if you can still spread it?
COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness. Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection, but with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future.
It typically takes a few weeks for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes after vaccination. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.
Please define what your definition of immunity is. To me, it means the virus cannot enter any cells and replicate. If the antibodies prevent this from happening, then you have immunity. Having a few viruses existing.....viruses are not alive.......in your mucosal fluids or on your body doesn't mean you are infected. If that were the definition then the vast majority of us is infected with dozens of diseases.Thanks for the link. The issue about a mRNA vaccine producing immunity needs to be clarified. The vaccine could prevent disease without preventing infection. I'm quite sure the vaccine makers know if this is the case but they haven't told us. We have been told that the vaccines stimulate production of neutralizing antibodies. These are IgG antibodies in the bloodstream. If the surface lining cells in your nose or lungs or gut get infected these antibodies will prevent the virus from spreading throughout your body and you may have no symptoms. The disease has been prevented but you are still infected. You probably can spread the virus to other people. Eventually you will develop "real" immunity and you will eliminate the virus from your nose, or your gut whatever.
But if the vaccine stimulates production of secretory IgA antibodies then it can prevent infection. These antibodies are secreted through your mucosal lining cells into the secretions that you blow out of your nose etc and they can neutralize the virus BEFORE it infects those lining cells. Any virus that you inhale does not replicate in those lining cells and you do not disperse billions of virus particles whenever you cough, sneeze or just exhale. You not only don't have the disease, you are not infected.
For some reason I can't find any studies or producer info that mention production of S-IgA. If someone can find it that would be helpful. I am quite sure Pfizer and Moderna know if this is the case. If these antibodies are produced they probably would have told us. Since they didn't my guess is that they are not produced. Perhaps the above poster knows about this.