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Seven Years Ago Today

https://www.city-journal.org/linda-fairstein-mwa-award-rescinded

What is “extremely troubling” is that Fairstein is exactly right: the five youths confessed to attacking the jogger and many others in the park that night, including two men who were beaten into unconsciousness. Jurors were told that the DNA evidence did not match any of the defendants, but they still voted to convict them, even while knowing that a Mr. X remained at large. In 2002, that individual, Mathias Reyes, admitted to raping the woman, but the statute of limitations for prosecuting him had expired.

The now widely held fallacy is that because Reyes confessed to the crime, the five youths must be innocent, and that the presence of his DNA means that they could not have been involved in the attack, which left Meili in a coma for two weeks. Notwithstanding the de Blasio administration’s payment of nearly $41 million to settle their suits for wrongful conviction, the five were not exonerated. Their convictions were vacated, meaning that they were entitled to a new trial. Having all been released from prison, the men have nothing to gain from a new trial; indeed, they have much to lose.

Despite all the evidence pointing to the involvement of the five accused youths; despite the extreme viciousness of the crime; despite the fact that police and prosecutors turned square corners, many are willing to embrace the narrative of police abuse, false confessions exacted under duress, and wrongful conviction in this case. It’s all part of a broader narrative: that of a racist criminal-justice system, eager to destroy the lives of innocent young black men.

Lost in all this is Trisha Meili. One wonders why she is often described not by name, but instead as a “white woman,” as if this identity somehow changes the facts of the case and mitigates what was done to her. Meantime, her attackers are increasingly viewed as the victims of a crime they committed.

Jeffrey A. Kroessler is a librarian at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

It's all in the trial transcripts, lost in the disinformation is why prosecute these men since they served their time? they were not exonerate, the sentences were vacated.
 
Pending fraud charges in Clinton County weren't even a speed bump to one of the members of the Lock Haven syndicate getting their pay day.
 
Also, one would assume that the OAG used their strongest individual cases (best witnesses, most evidence etc) in the trial. Given how weak those cases were, I cannot imagine the cases that didn't go to trial are very strong.

100% correct. I see no evidence at all for the theory that there were more credible accusers against Sandusky available at the time of trial, but the OAG chose not to present them at trial because the case against Sandusky was already strong enough.
 
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Snedden's opinion doesn't matter, the juries believed his testimony.

The jury actually acquitted Sandusky of the “anal intercourse” incident. All they believed was McQueary saw Jerry in the shower with a boy and that Jerry had to be grooming the boy based on a “course of conduct”.

Without the “anal intercourse” lie in the Grand Jury report, maybe the public actually feel the need to look into who Jerry's accusers were and the case goes in a much different direction.
 
Doesn’t matter. The jury heard the stories evidence and said guilty on 45/48 accounts I b,elieve .
None of your whatabouts mean a thing.

From a legal perspective, the things that makes a difference is that Sandusky's trial was inherently unfair.. Sandusky's defense counsel was horrendously ineffective, there were serial instances of prosecutorial misconduct and there were several instances of very questionable judicial opinions. OAG misconduct included a knowingly false grand jury presentment, leaked grand jury material, Brady violations, improper suggestive interviewing methods by the OAG, manufacturing a bogus conspiracy/cover-up case against Curley, Schultz, and Spanier among other things. There is still an appeal to the PA Supreme Court that by rights should be a slam dunk for the defense, but probably won't gain traction due to Pennsylvania judges being highly influenced by public opinion which is this case is decidedly pro-OAG. There is a good chance that after all State appeals are exhausted that the Defense might be able to get some traction with a writ of habeas corpus at the federal level where they are better equiped to deal with the issues on a legal rather than an emotional basis. IMO, if the case is heard at the federal level then I believe the whatabouts will mean everything.
 
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If it’s such a waste of time, why do you show up in every one of these threads defending the fairy tale?

I stop by to inject some sanity into the thread. I pointed out that doing "research" doesn't make one right. Many who believe in the existence of "Bigfoot" do extensive research. I wouldn't be surprised to learn you are one of them.
 
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Eye witness testimony is evidence.

WHO is the eyewitness???

MM ---- is he the eyewitness ---- who told the state IN WRITING that the testimony he gave concerning the "showers" in 2002 (2001, 2003, 2000 - take your pick - whichever year the state TOLD him to include) was WRONG and the OAG basically said "shut up - you'll ruin our case"!! Is it that eyewitness??

The same eye witness that NO ONE in 2001 (including friends and family) said what he told them about the alleged Penn State Shower incident did not describe a criminal act was committed and therefore needed to be reported to police. THAT EYE WITNESS!!!

Face it .....Lies are NOT admissible eyewitness evidence!! Unless you are in the corrupt courts of PA!!!!
 
I stop by to inject some sanity into the thread. I pointed out that doing "research" doesn't make one right. Many who believe in the existence of "Bigfoot" do extensive research. I wouldn't be surprised to learn you are one of them.
I agree that not all research is "good research".

However, if your only source of info on this case is the mainstream media, that's a problem. Most people have not read all of the court documents, other interviews, other reports. If you take in all available data and come to the same conclusions as you did before, well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree (and I'll doubt your critical thinking skills).
 
I agree that not all research is "good research".

However, if your only source of info on this case is the mainstream media, that's a problem. Most people have not read all of the court documents, other interviews, other reports. If you take in all available data and come to the same conclusions as you did before, well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree (and I'll doubt your critical thinking skills).

An example of good research is former NCIS Special Agent of the year J. R. Snedden's federal investigation to determine the suitability of Graham Spanier to have access to our nation's most sensitive secrets and to have his top-level security clearances renewed. His 110 page redacted report includes just the facts interview notes from the 14 fact witnesses that Snedden used to establish the character of Spanier

An example of bad research is Louis Freeh's Freeh Report farce written to protect the irresponsible acts of the old guard PSU BOT and the corrupt acts of one-term Tommy and his lackeys in the OAG. His opinion-based report contained weakly supported opinions and included very little relevant information to the case.

Another example of bad research is the Nov. 2011 grand jury presentment that included the knowingly false statement that stated that Mike McQueary had witnessed an anal rape as evidenced by Jonelle Eshbach's email that tells McQueary that he just can't correct the record of Eshbach twisting his words in the gjp.

Another example of good research is the Alumni BOT's 113 page report "Report to the Board of Trustees of the Pennsylvania State University on the Freeh Report’s flawed methodology and conclusions"

 
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I agree that not all research is "good research".

However, if your only source of info on this case is the mainstream media, that's a problem. Most people have not read all of the court documents, other interviews, other reports. If you take in all available data and come to the same conclusions as you did before, well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree (and I'll doubt your critical thinking skills).

Another thing that bothers me about this case. Where is all the research on Sandusky from people who believe he is guilty? Why is no one interested in how a man who founded the largest children’s charity in Pennsylvania ended up getting away with child sex abuse for years, if not decades? Keep in mind this charity worked very closely with local law enforcement, local child protection services, psychologists and psychiatrists, and other experts. Why are no child sexual abuse “experts” taking the opportunity to interview Sandusky in prison or even talking to the people Sandusky grew up with and was closest to during his life to get a better idea of how the “worst pedophile in US History” thought and operated. Couldn’t this information be used to stop other pedos?
 
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Another thing that bothers me about this case. Where is all the research on Sandusky from people who believe he is guilty? Why is no one interested in how a man who founded the largest children’s charity in Pennsylvania ended up getting away with child sex abuse for years, if not decades? Keep in mind this charity worked very closely with local law enforcement, local child protection services, psychologists and psychiatrists, and other experts. Why are no child sexual abuse “experts” taking the opportunity to interview Sandusky in prison or even talking to the people Sandusky grew up with and was closest to during his life to get a better idea of how the “worst pedophile in US History” thought and operated. Couldn’t this information be used to stop other pedos?

Some great points in here. I’m not sure why we never heard more from people that worked with him at the second mile. I’m not sure why there hasn’t been a real interview done with him from prison by somebody that is able to ask clear, direct questions without sounding like a loon (sadly, this excludes Ziegler) and without an agenda. I really would like to hear from Sandusky himself.
 
Some great points in here. I’m not sure why we never heard more from people that worked with him at the second mile. I’m not sure why there hasn’t been a real interview done with him from prison by somebody that is able to ask clear, direct questions without sounding like a loon (sadly, this excludes Ziegler) and without an agenda. I really would like to hear from Sandusky himself.

I would encourage you to write a letter to Sandusky. He is prison inmate number KT2386. He is being held at Laurel Highlands SCI, 5706 Glades Pike, Somerset PA 15501. I suspect he would return your letter if you are respectful.

He exchanged letters with journalist Courtney Brennen of WPXI TV channel 11 in Pittsburgh. Here is a link to the story Courtney did for the news concerning his letters and his bid for a new trial.

https://www.wpxi.com/news/jerry-san...l-11-about-possibility-of-new-trial/253726323
 
I would encourage you to write a letter to Sandusky. He is prison inmate number KT2386. He is being held at Laurel Highlands SCI, 5706 Glades Pike, Somerset PA 15501. I suspect he would return your letter if you are respectful.

He exchanged letters with journalist Courtney Brennen of WPXI TV channel 11 in Pittsburgh. Here is a link to the story Courtney did for the news concerning his letters and his bid for a new trial.

https://www.wpxi.com/news/jerry-san...l-11-about-possibility-of-new-trial/253726323

Interesting
 
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I would encourage anybody who is interested in the facts of this case to write a letter to Jerry. He is a very good letter writer and I believe he would be willing to reply to respectful letters. If anybody does write a letter to Jerry, please let us know if he replies and what he has to say.
 
Some great points in here. I’m not sure why we never heard more from people that worked with him at the second mile. I’m not sure why there hasn’t been a real interview done with him from prison by somebody that is able to ask clear, direct questions without sounding like a loon (sadly, this excludes Ziegler) and without an agenda. I really would like to hear from Sandusky himself.

I really wish Jim Clemente would have done the first interview. I believe Clemente actually inspired Ziegler to interview Sandusky in the first place. Clemente believed Sandusky to be a “nice guy pedophile” who honestly saw himself as loving the kids he abused. He believed Sandusky would feel awful about how his actions affected PSU and Joe Paterno and would almost certainly confess if the right words were used. Unfortunately, he pussed out and then threw Ziegler under the bus when the media became outraged over the interview.
 
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Of the 36 claimants that Penn State made settlements with, none of the accusers made contemporaneous reports/conversations to friends, families, teachers, clergy, police, psychologists, or anyone else. All of the claimant stories have problems. No pornography (a hallmark of a pedophile) has ever been found in Sandusky’s possession. No physical evidence of CSA has ever been tied to Sandusky. Some of Sandusky’s behaviors could potentially be seen as grooming behaviors, but with no credible evidence that he ever acted on sexual urges, I don’t believe his interactions with any of the claimants were sexual and constituted grooming.

Serious question, which specific claimant (or 2) do you think makes the most convincing case that they were sexually abused?

I doubt you will answer the question. I have asked this question many times and to date nobody has given a good answer. Given that Sandusky’s trial was patently unfair with massive prosecutorial misconduct and a grossly ineffective defense counsel, I believe there is much more than reasonable doubt that Sandusky is guilty of the crimes he was charged with. In fact, I believe there is very serious doubt when you consider that the pillars of the case (v1 and v2) have gaping holes in their stories.


Franco I get it! You beat me down with your interpretations of facts. You think Sandusky is 100% innocent and there were no kids sexually abused at Penn St or anywhere associated with Penn St. Biggest hoax in the history of legal findings. I’ve seen the light.
 
Yes, and Snedden didn’t find McQueary to be a credible witness regarding the charges against Spanier, Curley and Schultz. He explains that in detail in the big trial blog post and it is reinforced in his interview notes with the 14 witnesses he interviewed in his 110 page redacted report.

Regarding the eyewitness testimony against Sandusky by the claimants. Snedden didn’t find them credible either as he said that no credible information that Sandusky was a pedophile has come to light that wasn’t subject to manipulation.

You seem like you find some of the claimant testimony credible. If that is the case, would you please identify the specific 1 or 2 claimants that you find the most credible and make the strongest case that Sandusky is a pedophile.


Franco it’s a damn shame an innocent and wrongly accused man, Sandusky, is sitting in jail for no legitimate reason. Not to mention the shame that was place at JoePa’s feet. What a travesty.
 
Franco I get it! You beat me down with your interpretations of facts. You think Sandusky is 100% innocent and there were no kids sexually abused at Penn St or anywhere associated with Penn St. Biggest hoax in the history of legal findings. I’ve seen the light.

If you can provide just one compelling specific instance of a kid that was sexually abused by Sandusky, I am all ears. I have repeatedly asked for this information without anyone ever providing clear credible evidence of CSA. It just isn't there. On the other hand, I can provide 36 examples of claimants who make settlements with Penn State who alleged CSA that are not very compelling or credible.
 
Franco it’s a damn shame an innocent and wrongly accused man, Sandusky, is sitting in jail for no legitimate reason. Not to mention the shame that was place at JoePa’s feet. What a travesty.

Don't forget the shame that have been thrust on Curley, Schultz and Spanier.
 
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My opinion may be crap, but what about the FACT that Victims 3 and 5 contradicted their trial testimony in the settlements against PSU, Victim 7 admitted he only developed a negative view of Sandusky through pseudoscientific repressed memory therapy, Victim 9 (the only accusers to claim anal rape) has been recently telling jokes about anal penetration on his Facebook page, and Victim 10 contradicted his trial testimony in a post trial interview. What about the fact that Victims 1 and 4 claimed oral sex with Sandusky dozens of times, but never were able to identify his medically confirmed hypogonadism. The remaining accuser, victim 6, never claimed a sexual act.

I'm sure it's all just a misunderstanding.
 
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I'm sure it's all just a misunderstanding.

It seems like a lot of compelling convincing credible evidence of CSA NOT. These were the best 8 accusers that the OAG could put together at trial in 2012. I am sure that there is a lot of compelling convincing credible evidence of CSA from the other 24 claimants NOT.
 
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Franco I get it! You beat me down with your interpretations of facts. You think Sandusky is 100% innocent and there were no kids sexually abused at Penn St or anywhere associated with Penn St. Biggest hoax in the history of legal findings. I’ve seen the light.
The problem is this argument continues to fuel the Sandusky Pedophile story...."...100% innocent...". How many trials have a 100% innocent situation IN ABSOLUTE TERMS. That is BS of the first order.

Ignore your 100% grade for Sandusky Guilt- Look at what REALLY counts - LEGALLY provable Guilt of Pedophilia. RE-READ this key word LEGALLY. Review the details of the "suspicious" actions taken by the state of PA in this case - Not Just Sandusky, but how important it was to assign a "Guilty" verdict to anyone having to do with PSU!! The truth is as a motive for these abnormalities in court processes is right in front of everyone ------, $250M which has been stolen by the REAL criminals in PA Government and their coordinated agents.

If Sandusky was LEGALLY without a shadow of a doubt Guilty, explain to me why the State of PA need to corrupt almost EVERY shred of evidence that was used in his Grand Jury Presentment and Trial. So many details of this case SMELL I am amazed that even the paid SHILLS who support this "Story" of PSU sexual crimes can stand to post.

Reality is this - Forget Sandusky - Start with this FACT......Explain to me how EVERYONE of the key players in the charging and conviction of Sandusky and C/S/S was a "bud" of Tom Corbett's. Is this extreme coincidence possible - NO - it is only possible when the LEGAL case for conviction is so weak that it must be propped up by the illusion of "100% Monster guilt". This "Story" then needs to be sold to the public media and then "confirmed" by those who get paid for their lies!!! Louie "The Liar" Freeh anyone????

The Sandusky PSU criminality has always been an "engineered" public "Story" construction that would permit the public to believe that illegal actions by the state were justified. And we can thank our own B1G/NCAA organizations for playing their part in these crimes so that a POLITICIAN could make good on a personal vendetta IN ADDITION TO ....STEALING $$$$ MILLIONS from PSU. Our own BOT was in the pocket of the Vendetta-Master Corbett and he used this "kissing of his ring" by OGBOT members to INSURE $$100M in payoff money was available to service those who cooperated with this scam!!

Your discussion on Sandusky Guilt or innocence MUST ignore the overwhelming LEGAL evidence of Legal misconduct and Criminally conducted actions by a sitting PA Governor/OAG.

Absolute guilt discussions like yours, are nothing but more smokescreen hiding PA crimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good news here is the "Troll Patrol" WILL NEVER ANSWER THIS POST on its content - They will just spew the same old SH*T based upon 2012 OAG/Freeh BS.
 
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If you can provide just one compelling specific instance of a kid that was sexually abused by Sandusky, I am all ears. I have repeatedly asked for this information without anyone ever providing clear credible evidence of CSA. It just isn't there. On the other hand, I can provide 36 examples of claimants who make settlements with Penn State who alleged CSA that are not very compelling or credible.

True. I’ve noticed that even people who believe Sandusky is guilty rarely ever try to defend the credibility of the accusers. The most common argument nowadays seems to be that only a pedophile would continue showering with boys after the 1998 incident.
 
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The problem is this argument continues to fuel the Sandusky Pedophile story...."...100% innocent...". How many trials have a 100% innocent situation IN ABSOLUTE TERMS. That is BS of the first order.

Ignore your 100% grade for Sandusky Guilt- Look at what REALLY counts - LEGALLY provable Guilt of Pedophilia. RE-READ this key word LEGALLY. Review the details of the "suspicious" actions taken by the state of PA in this case - Not Just Sandusky, but how important it was to assign a "Guilty" verdict to anyone having to do with PSU!! The truth is as a motive for these abnormalities in court processes is right in front of everyone ------, $250M which has been stolen by the REAL criminals in PA Government and their coordinated agents.

If Sandusky was LEGALLY without a shadow of a doubt Guilty, explain to me why the State of PA need to corrupt almost EVERY shred of evidence that was used in his Grand Jury Presentment and Trial. So many details of this case SMELL I am amazed that even the paid SHILLS who support this "Story" of PSU sexual crimes can stand to post.

Reality is this - Forget Sandusky - Start with this FACT......Explain to me how EVERYONE of the key players in the charging and conviction of Sandusky and C/S/S was a "bud" of Tom Corbett's. Is this extreme coincidence possible - NO - it is only possible when the LEGAL case for conviction is so weak that it must be propped up by the illusion of "100% Monster guilt". This "Story" then needs to be sold to the public media and then "confirmed" by those who get paid for their lies!!! Louie "The Liar" Freeh anyone????

The Sandusky PSU criminality has always been an "engineered" public "Story" construction that would permit the public to believe that illegal actions by the state were justified. And we can thank our own B1G/NCAA organizations for playing their part in these crimes so that a POLITICIAN could make good on a personal vendetta IN ADDITION TO ....STEALING $$$$ MILLIONS from PSU. Our own BOT was in the pocket of the Vendetta-Master Corbett and he used this "kissing of his ring" by OGBOT members to INSURE $$100M in payoff money was available to service those who cooperated with this scam!!

Your discussion on Sandusky Guilt or innocence MUST ignore the overwhelming LEGAL evidence of Legal misconduct and Criminally conducted actions by a sitting PA Governor/OAG.

Absolute guilt discussions like yours, are nothing but more smokescreen hiding PA crimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good news here is the "Troll Patrol" WILL NEVER ANSWER THIS POST on its content - They will just spew the same old SH*T based upon 2012 OAG/Freeh BS.

You are spot on @Legion of Lions

As John Snedden has been saying since his federal investigation became public in March, 2017. The actual story at Penn State was completely different from that reported in the media. There was no cover-up, there was no conspiracy as there was no sex scandal. The real story was that of political corruption orchestrated by Governor Tom Corbett and implemented by his OAG with assists from the old guard PSU BOT, Louis Freeh, the judicial system, the NCAA, the Big 10, and with complicity from the news media.
 
Another thing that bothers me about this case. Where is all the research on Sandusky from people who believe he is guilty? Why is no one interested in how a man who founded the largest children’s charity in Pennsylvania ended up getting away with child sex abuse for years, if not decades? Keep in mind this charity worked very closely with local law enforcement, local child protection services, psychologists and psychiatrists, and other experts. Why are no child sexual abuse “experts” taking the opportunity to interview Sandusky in prison or even talking to the people Sandusky grew up with and was closest to during his life to get a better idea of how the “worst pedophile in US History” thought and operated. Couldn’t this information be used to stop other pedos?
On this I agree with you. Same as why haven't the local and state child welfare agencies been reviewed to determine how they approved adoptions and foster child placements in the Sandusky household. Learn something and improve the current processes and procedures. Did not happen.

I do know this regarding Sandusky and PSU innocence:
1. Schultz and Curley plead guilty, that is they did not have a trial and be convicted by a jury or judge. They voluntarily plead guilty based on the advice of their lawyers who were excellent and paid for by PSU. Often people plead guilty because they cannot afford to pay their lawyers, not the case here. That says something right there.

2. Sandusky was investigated in 1998 from because he was showering with kids. Charges were not filed (Gricar never stated why and was under no obligation to do so). Sandusky was told by LE to stop showering with kids. Sandusky continued to shower with kids which we know to be true from the 2001 incident. The fact that Sandusky could not stop showering with kids even after being investigated by LE which could have resulted in charges which would have ruined his reputation at the minimum, that is a strong indication that he had a problem.

Just a hunch, this is a lot bigger story than just a football coach molesting kids. Sandusky and PSU was used to stop further investigations, nothing to see here. Possibly people should consider the story of the child abuse victim in the Philly area who said TSM was part of a ring.
 
It seems like a lot of compelling convincing credible evidence of CSA NOT. These were the best 8 accusers that the OAG could put together at trial in 2012. I am sure that there is a lot of compelling convincing credible evidence of CSA from the other 24 claimants NOT.

In other words, it's JoePa's fault.

Unreal how this nonsense was allowed to proliferate.
 
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I agree that not all research is "good research".

However, if your only source of info on this case is the mainstream media, that's a problem. Most people have not read all of the court documents, other interviews, other reports. If you take in all available data and come to the same conclusions as you did before, well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree (and I'll doubt your critical thinking skills).

For the sake of argument, let's say I spend days or weeks reading all of the documents and decide that perhaps Jerry is innocent.
What will I have accomplished? Jerry is in jail for life and that isn't going to change. My only option is to join your clan and periodically
come here and lament his fate. As I said previously, a waste of time.
 
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For the sake of argument, let's say I spend days or weeks reading all of the documents and decide that perhaps Jerry is innocent.
What will I have accomplished? Jerry is in jail for life and that isn't going to change. My only option is to join your clan and periodically
come here and lament his fate. As I said previously, a waste of time.
Three points:

1) Jerry still has active appeals so you don't know that.

2) It never hurts to know the truth.

3) Once you know the truth, you can educate others, which could affect public opinion.
 
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On this I agree with you. Same as why haven't the local and state child welfare agencies been reviewed to determine how they approved adoptions and foster child placements in the Sandusky household. Learn something and improve the current processes and procedures. Did not happen.

I do know this regarding Sandusky and PSU innocence:
1. Schultz and Curley plead guilty, that is they did not have a trial and be convicted by a jury or judge. They voluntarily plead guilty based on the advice of their lawyers who were excellent and paid for by PSU. Often people plead guilty because they cannot afford to pay their lawyers, not the case here. That says something right there.

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They plead guilty to one (1!) misdemeanor charge each because they had an agreement with the DA that they wouldn't do jail time and they knew the jury pool was hopelessly polluted (I can re-post the survey stats on this, but I've posted them many times before). The DA then got upset with them that they wouldn't lie in court and reneged on the 'no jail time' offer. So yes, it does say something, but not what you think it does.
 
I think you mean all of the so called experts in this thread. The people who matter know better.

Please tell me who you think the experts are in this saga?

I am guessing that you would say the likes of Tom Corbett, Frank Fina, Jonelle Eshbach, Louis Freeh, John Surma and Mark Emmert.

I don't find any of them to be objective and unbiased. In fact, I believe they have motives to be just the opposite.

I believe they all will be second guessed when the facts of the story become evident and I am confident that that will eventually happen, hopefully sooner rather than later. I hope that one day they will all have to account for their transgressions.
 
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On this I agree with you. Same as why haven't the local and state child welfare agencies been reviewed to determine how they approved adoptions and foster child placements in the Sandusky household. Learn something and improve the current processes and procedures. Did not happen.

I do know this regarding Sandusky and PSU innocence:
1. Schultz and Curley plead guilty, that is they did not have a trial and be convicted by a jury or judge. They voluntarily plead guilty based on the advice of their lawyers who were excellent and paid for by PSU. Often people plead guilty because they cannot afford to pay their lawyers, not the case here. That says something right there.

2. Sandusky was investigated in 1998 from because he was showering with kids. Charges were not filed (Gricar never stated why and was under no obligation to do so). Sandusky was told by LE to stop showering with kids. Sandusky continued to shower with kids which we know to be true from the 2001 incident. The fact that Sandusky could not stop showering with kids even after being investigated by LE which could have resulted in charges which would have ruined his reputation at the minimum, that is a strong indication that he had a problem.

Just a hunch, this is a lot bigger story than just a football coach molesting kids. Sandusky and PSU was used to stop further investigations, nothing to see here. Possibly people should consider the story of the child abuse victim in the Philly area who said TSM was part of a ring.

This is a lot bigger story than has been reported. As articulated by former NCIS Special Agent of the Year John Snedden, it is a case of political corruption at the highest levels of the Pennsylvania state government. Former Governor Tom Corbett was exacting revenge from former PSU President Graham Spanier for his criticism of Corbett's draconian cuts to public education funding and for his perceived support of Corbett's political rival.

Regarding you 2 points:
1. Yes, Curley and Schultz plead guilty to a single misdemeanor count in exchange for the State dropping the felony counts. They did this because the OAG had been very successful in selling their false narratives and poisoning the jury pool. I believe that Curley and Schultz believed they would get away with just probation but the hanging judge (Bochebella) thought otherwise. Also, I believe with the misdemeanor conviction that their pension benefits will remain intact. Word has it that Gary Schultz has given an interview where he will explain why he knows Sandusky is innocent and the interview will air when his probation is finished in July.
2. Yes, Sandusky was investigated in 1998 for the v6 shower incident. It was investigated by CYS, State College Police, Penn State Police, the Centre County DAs office with no criminal charges filed and CYS not indicating Sandusky for child abuse. At the conclusion of the investigation Detective Ronald Schreffler apparently advised Sandusky not to shower with kids again; however Sandusky has stated that he understood Schreffler to mean to never shower with v6 again (and he never did shower with v6 again in their subsequent 13 year friendship). Most people will agree that Sandusky exercised bad judgment in showering again with kids and that it is inappropriate in this era to shower with a minor who is not your child, but in both the 1998 and the 2000/2001 incident the known facts indicate that it wasn't sexual.
 
True. I’ve noticed that even people who believe Sandusky is guilty rarely ever try to defend the credibility of the accusers. The most common argument nowadays seems to be that only a pedophile would continue showering with boys after the 1998 incident.

It says a lot that the people who believe that Sandusky is guilty rarely try to defend the credibility of the accusers and are unwilling to identify specific accusers that make their case. I am an eternal optimist and believe that Sandusky's defense will eventually be able to convnce a court (it may have to be habeus corpus at the federal level) that his trial was patently unfair. If Sandusky is fortunate to be alive when this happens, I tend to agree with his lawyer Al Lindsay that the state will eventually just drop the case because they have such a weak case. We know so much more about what actually happened today than we knew in 2012 or 2011.
 
Three points:

1) Jerry still has active appeals so you don't know that.

2) It never hurts to know the truth.

3) Once you know the truth, you can educate others, which could affect public opinion.

1 Yes I do.

2 Sometimes it does.

3. Convincing people that Sandusky is innocent
is more difficult than convincing them the earth is flat.
 
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