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MN ran lots of RPOs. I hope we bring back the offense like when Hackenberg was here, where we averaged around 20 pts/game. That seems like it would make lots of people happy. No RPOs, yay.
I agree with you, and add that I don't feel people truly understand the RPO concept.Ciarrocca is a RPO adherent. You can run an RPO offense without the QB running 20 times a game. Just look at the Eagles with Nick Foles at QB.
Preach it brother! Run-pass-option doesn’t mean the QB is running the ball. That’s an option play. Hugh differenceI agree with you, and add that I don't feel people truly understand the RPO concept.
People are excited Ciarrocca will run the slants and skinny posts. Some time ago, I gave an explanation on those routes and how they are predicated on how the defense reacts to the run fake. The Q running is NOT what the RPO is all about.
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Yep, that's ROP, Read Option. Pet Peeve of mine, we ran a lot of ROP and a little RPO. Minnesota ran RPO.Preach it brother! Run-pass-option doesn’t mean the QB is running the ball. That’s an option play. Hugh difference
If we'd had this system back in the 90s we would have been able to sign Ron Powlus.Quite simply RPO = Ron, Pass option on the same play. Essentially same blocking scheme.
We're screwed! Do we even have anyone named Ron on the roster?Quite simply RPO = Ron, Pass option on the same play. Essentially same blocking scheme.
Thank u for the clarification. You are absolutely correct. My hope is that the QB running is less relied on as a philosophy.I agree with you, and add that I don't feel people truly understand the RPO concept.
People are excited Ciarrocca will run the slants and skinny posts. Some time ago, I gave an explanation on those routes and how they are predicated on how the defense reacts to the run fake. The Q running is NOT what the RPO is all about.
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Thank u for the clarification. You are absolutely correct. My hope is that the QB running is less relied on as a philosophy.
I also hope that faking a hand off on every pass play out of the shotgun goes away one day, but I'll take this for now if true. Trace was exceptional as a runner in that wrinkle was added mid-season to capitalize on that capability. Clifford is less gifted in that area and I wish it would go away. Just my hope.
That was because our QB and OL were pretty bad.MN ran lots of RPOs. I hope we bring back the offense like when Hackenberg was here, where we averaged around 20 pts/game. That seems like it would make lots of people happy. No RPOs, yay.
From what I understand about RPO the O identities a conflict defender. That’s the guy , usually on the outside who’s job it is to support the run on run plays or stay back to cover a short receiver ( the strong safety?). So the the QB places the ball in the RB belly looks at the conflict defender. If he comes up to support the run the QB throws the ball to the receiver in the hole where the conflict defender just leftA question for knowledgeable X and O types. If PSU had two backs in the backfield, what would a RPO look like? If I have it correctly, the QB reads a particular defender, usually the DE or LB, and depending on what he does, the QB gives the ball to the RB, holds it and runs, or passes. Would having an extra back give the QB the same options with an additional RB running in another direction or as a receiver? Is anybody running a two back RPO set? Or does it not make any sense?
I'm no coach. But, you're confusing RPO with read option. In read option, like you said, the QB reads the unblocked edge defender and hands off or pulls based on the unblocked defender. There's no option to throw on those plays and the OL run blocks all the way.A question for knowledgeable X and O types. If PSU had two backs in the backfield, what would a RPO look like? If I have it correctly, the QB reads a particular defender, usually the DE or LB, and depending on what he does, the QB gives the ball to the RB, holds it and runs, or passes. Would having an extra back give the QB the same options with an additional RB running in another direction or as a receiver? Is anybody running a two back RPO set? Or does it not make any sense?
We saw that that scenario several times in Minny last year and he went Wildcat.Will coach C open it up by putting the QB under center when 4th and inches?
That's funny, sluggo. I typed up pretty much the same response and then went looking for a video to show a TD throw off an RPO we ran.From what I understand about RPO the O identities a conflict defender. That’s the guy , usually on the outside who’s job it is to support the run on run plays or stay back to cover a short receiver ( the strong safety?). So the the QB places the ball in the RB belly looks at the conflict defender. If he comes up to support the run the QB throws the ball to the receiver in the hole where the conflict defender just left
If he hangs back for the pass give the ball to the RB as we will have more blockers than the D has defenders
2 backs ? IDK if it helps
If you search YouTube for joe morehead there’s a good video describing this. Best I can do during covid happy hour
Great explanation and use of video.I'm no coach. But, you're confusing RPO with read option. In read option, like you said, the QB reads the unblocked edge defender and hands off or pulls based on the unblocked defender. There's no option to throw on those plays and the OL run blocks all the way.
With RPO, the line runs blocks not knowing if it will be a pass or run. The QB still reads a defender, but it's typically on the 2nd or 3rd level. If for example the SS is the read, the QB is going to pull the ball and throw if the SS fills hard. If the SS stays back in coverage, the QB hands off as the O likes fewer defenders in the box. The read ideally puts the defender in conflict. Check out what the RPO did to #29 here with Indiana. He couldn't decide and ended up in no man's land.
Quite simply RPO = Ron, Pass option on the same play. Essentially same blocking scheme.
MN ran lots of RPOs. I hope we bring back the offense like when Hackenberg was here, where we averaged around 20 pts/game. That seems like it would make lots of people happy. No RPOs, yay.
here is a good tutorial the first play is RPO as he says the second play is a read option which are different plays.....A question for knowledgeable X and O types. If PSU had two backs in the backfield, what would a RPO look like? If I have it correctly, the QB reads a particular defender, usually the DE or LB, and depending on what he does, the QB gives the ball to the RB, holds it and runs, or passes. Would having an extra back give the QB the same options with an additional RB running in another direction or as a receiver? Is anybody running a two back RPO set? Or does it not make any sense?
this from 2016? but its your 2 back RPO, which basically puts SB in the role of the TE from the above clip. side note, this is coaches film, not what comes off the TV, side view, end zone view, It would be interesting to know where he gets this film. Normally teams don't just hand this stuff out.A question for knowledgeable X and O types. If PSU had two backs in the backfield, what would a RPO look like? If I have it correctly, the QB reads a particular defender, usually the DE or LB, and depending on what he does, the QB gives the ball to the RB, holds it and runs, or passes. Would having an extra back give the QB the same options with an additional RB running in another direction or as a receiver? Is anybody running a two back RPO set? Or does it not make any sense?
I think that you might need to research Joe's record and how many points his teams scored.There is a contingent on this board that would be happier if we recruited three fullbacks a class, lined up under center, handed the ball off 35 times a game, scored 13 points a game and went 4-8 every year because thats how Joe coached instead of going 10-2 with the RPO.
There is a contingent on this board that would be happier if we recruited three fullbacks a class, lined up under center, handed the ball off 35 times a game, scored 13 points a game and went 4-8 every year because thats how Joe coached instead of going 10-2 with the RPO.
LSU just had the best offense in the history of college football. Nick Saban
doesn't think you can defense it. It's going away?? Nope
just because you put the QB under center, does not mean you can't run RPO. It doesn't mean you have to have a FB, it doesn't mean you'll only score 13 points a game.Yup. Agree. But they are not realizing how the rules changes really gave "advantage offense" for running RPO style plays.
It's like an NFL team not taking advantage of the advantageous rules that favor passing. I'm 54.... Believe it or not, back in the 70's it used to be legal for DBs to engage and make contact with receivers all over the field until the ball was in the air. Up until about the mid-70s defensive players could push, shove, hit... offensive players out in pass routes until the ball was in the air. Once the ball was in the air, you could not touch the offensive player. So defensive players could really knock offensive players off of routes and restrict routes. Then the NFL put in the "Mel Blount Rule", which said that once an offensive player got 5 yards off the line of scrimmage you could not touch him. So defensive players had that first 5 yards to basically "mug" an offensive player and not let him off the line. Then it changed to today's rules. During this time they also changed blocking rules to allow OL to extend their arms and use their open hands in pass protection. ........ Not taking advantage of rules that favor RPO plays would be like not taking advantage of rules that favor the passing game.
That play certainly didn't work.this from 2016? but its your 2 back RPO, which basically puts SB in the role of the TE from the above clip. side note, this is coaches film, not what comes off the TV, side view, end zone view, It would be interesting to know where he gets this film. Normally teams don't just hand this stuff out.
I think that you might need to research Joe's record and how many points his teams scored.